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  • #90,241
  • Apr 28, 2009 8:50pm Apr 28, 2009 8:50pm
Quoting Mackeymax
stocks are more crooked than forex....I traded for a few years at 4:1 buying power and oh and it gets better when your broker won't let you short $5 and under stocks....no thanks, Hank!

mm

p.s. when you hedge you don't lose any money at all as long as you cover the spread...which offsets itself to a lesser degree.....study and you will learn...http://www.forexfactory.com/images/icons/icon6.gif

No broker will let you short sub $5 or not Marginable Stocks.

The sub 25K account, 3 round trips in a day ( open and close same day ) in a 5day period I think it was put paid to my trading Margin removed and your ability to short if you do so

Options on Stocks are where it's at, I was spending $200 buying options when the market was crashing and selling them for $3000 in a week or 2, useless in sideways markets though, move your way and still become worthless

Sadly I was fully short when the market reversed and it reversed BADLY blew the account pretty much before the market had even opened
Nothing to it, but to do it!!! Stick to the plan FOOL!!!!
  • #90,242
  • Apr 28, 2009 8:51pm Apr 28, 2009 8:51pm
Quoting Mackeymax
stocks are more crooked than forex....I traded for a few years at 4:1 buying power and oh and it gets better when your broker won't let you short $5 and under stocks....no thanks, Hank!

mm

p.s. when you hedge you don't lose any money at all as long as you cover the spread...which offsets itself to a lesser degree.....study and you will learn...http://www.forexfactory.com/images/icons/icon6.gif
What can i say, since you are worried about the spread, that's kindda ironic. I know you understand me, do you ?

PS. GL to you, over and out of the discussion.
  • #90,243
  • Apr 28, 2009 8:51pm Apr 28, 2009 8:51pm
G Nite all!!!...happy hedging for now....and good money management for all..http://www.forexfactory.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

mm
He who hesitates is hesitant....which always leads to bad entries.
  • #90,244
  • Apr 28, 2009 8:52pm Apr 28, 2009 8:52pm
Quoting knuckledrag
Ok I'm not real clear on this-- do we put you down as a yah or nay
sorry
im not really clear on what you are now saying as well.. im just stating how i feel... or is this not at all where i do that... it saved my account... but i worked my way out of it and im still in the game!!!
  • #90,245
  • Apr 28, 2009 8:52pm Apr 28, 2009 8:52pm
Yes it saves an account once in a while but bleeds it to death eventually, risk only 1% and will be safe and sound...

Quoting jesjack
About the hedging stuff.... I think it's bull**** which i said before ... i think a week ago or so...
the thing is what are they going to take away next... candlesticks, MA, ....what everything but the $ line and you just get to guess!!! it's horse s****!!!
sorry, just very upset by it... like i said before I don't try and leave a trade in but it has saved my account at one point and so I'm very much for having the option of doing so...
Its all in the mind.
  • #90,246
  • Apr 28, 2009 8:56pm Apr 28, 2009 8:56pm
Quoting Turveyd
No broker will let you short sub $5 or not Marginable Stocks.

The sub 25K account,...
betcha the boys at Goldman Sachs would let you.....probably let you do anything you want for that matter....


mm
He who hesitates is hesitant....which always leads to bad entries.
  • #90,247
  • Apr 28, 2009 8:56pm Apr 28, 2009 8:56pm
Quoting jesjack
im not really clear on what you are now saying as well.. im just stating how i feel... or is this not at all where i do that... it saved my account... but i worked my way out of it and im still in the game!!!
(In favor of hedging or not)
Just pulling your chain---- quite the rant
  • #90,248
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:01pm Apr 28, 2009 9:01pm
Quoting 5abi
Yes it saves an account once in a while but bleeds it to death eventually, risk only 1% and will be safe and sound...
agree that it can do that... but if i want to hedge and i do on occassion then i want the freedom to do so. yes i believe in hedging.. it didn't bleed my account it saved my account. it only bleeds if not managed correctly and i have so far learned how to do so...
  • #90,249
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:04pm Apr 28, 2009 9:04pm
ok, but be careful.

PS- Same currency opposing trades are not hedges (technically), stretch it far enough and I would say a same direction trade in EU and UCHF could qualify.




Quoting jesjack
agree that it can do that... but if i want to hedge and i do on occassion then i want the freedom to do so. yes i believe in hedging.. it didn't bleed my account it saved my account. it only bleeds if not managed correctly and i have so far learned how to do so...
Its all in the mind.
  • #90,250
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:05pm Apr 28, 2009 9:05pm
Quoting knuckledrag
(In favor of hedging or not)
Just pulling your chain---- quite the rant
i know.. just dont know if i belong on this blog.. have listen forever to what everyone has to say and start saying what i think and wish i hadnt talk
  • #90,251
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:08pm Apr 28, 2009 9:08pm
[quote=jesjack;2701350] the thing is what are they going to take away next... candlesticks, MA, ....what everything but the $ line and you just get to guess!!! it's horse s****!!!

Whatever MM(methodology/money management), hedging,anti hedging, martingale,scaling up/down, and/or whatever there is in the forex market is not going to make an iota of difference if one does not have the most important trumpcard of all,.........

'A TRADING PLAN/METHOD/SYSTEM WHICH CAN GIVE YOU AN EDGE OVER THE MARKET'

Without this, whatever you use is just flogging a deadhorse.

So get yourself a winning trade plan first then any MMs will and can only manage/optimise both your risks/rewards factor. First thing first........

Just sharing my thought.
  • #90,252
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:09pm Apr 28, 2009 9:09pm
Quoting 5abi
8 years and we may end up worse than europe....
hmm think we already are.. its just nobody told us till the banks were out of money.. then and only then did they speak up.. hoping they were out of office when shit hit fan..missed it by that much. l- - - - - - - - - - - - l
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #90,253
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:11pm Apr 28, 2009 9:11pm
Quoting Turveyd
If you've got a USA account, then abit pointless talking about hedging, The USA is stopping it from the 15th May.

I see the point of Hedging in a choppy market, markets going UP say, it turns down breifly so Short, protects you from a big drop like being out, but if it just chops then resumes make some money on the short and leave your Long to go higher hopefully.

Nice little bullish move on all markets!!
The 15th of May will come and go, but unless brokers forbid clients to open a short trade just because they already have a long trade on the same pair, hedging will continue.
  • #90,254
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:13pm Apr 28, 2009 9:13pm
Hello Gator

but uncle jim cramer told me bank stress tests were "brilliant" only last week, and now i hear shiti and banFQAmerica need more cashhh...






Quoting gatorinla
hmm think we already are.. its just nobody told us till the banks were out of money.. then and only then did they speak up.. hoping they were out of office when shit hit fan..missed it by that much. l- - - - - - - - - - - - l
Its all in the mind.
  • #90,255
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:15pm Apr 28, 2009 9:15pm
Quoting Mackeymax
betcha the boys at Goldman Sachs would let you.....probably let you do anything you want for that matter....


mm
might have to clear it with aig first .. but thats never been a problem in the past.. why should it now.. thank them for this.. your grand kids sure will. http://www.sec.gov/news/openmeetings/agenda042804.htm unlimited hedge.. would you like a billion to none? sure, no problem
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #90,256
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:16pm Apr 28, 2009 9:16pm
Quoting Turveyd
No broker will let you short sub $5 or not Marginable Stocks.

The sub 25K account, 3 round trips in a day ( open and close same day ) in a 5day period I think it was put paid to my trading Margin removed and your ability to short if you do so

Options on Stocks are where it's at, I was spending $200 buying options when the market was crashing and selling them for $3000 in a week or 2, useless in sideways markets though, move your way and still become worthless

Sadly I was fully short when the market reversed and it reversed BADLY blew...
Well, geez, we ain't talking STOCKS here, we are talking forex!
  • #90,257
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:20pm Apr 28, 2009 9:20pm
Quoting jesjack
i know.. just dont know if i belong on this blog.. have listen forever to what everyone has to say and start saying what i think and wish i hadnt talk
Share what your comfortable with If you think we are going up/down post a chart and see what others say. The worst that can happen is you wind up talking to gator about mules.
  • #90,258
  • Edited 10:08pm Apr 28, 2009 9:24pm | Edited 10:08pm
Quoting knuckledrag
Share what your comfortable with If you think we are going up/down post a chart and see what others say. The worst that can happen is you wind up talking to gator about mules.
a good ass is nothing to joke about. people have died for good ass. when you got good ass you just know it.
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  • #90,259
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:27pm Apr 28, 2009 9:27pm
Quoting gatorinla
a good as is nothing to joke about. people have died for good ass. when you got good ass you just know it.

Hay Gator
Did you ever get THV setup right?
  • #90,260
  • Apr 28, 2009 9:29pm Apr 28, 2009 9:29pm
Quoting traderathome
The 15th of May will come and go, but unless brokers forbid clients to open a short trade just because they already have a long trade on the same pair, hedging will continue.

I agree but the downside is they will only make an issue of it if your beating them.

I got an e-mail from my broker that said they were looking at options to continue US customers to hedge. Guess ILL see. I only use it to scalp against the trend

But we need all the tools we can get when it comes to keeping our money together. MM
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