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  • #81,921
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:31pm Mar 31, 2009 9:31pm
this shit is funny... it never gets old
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  • #81,922
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:32pm Mar 31, 2009 9:32pm
I honestly believe that these people are trying to handle the situation (aka mess) they been given the best way they can. Let's not forget how we got here. So what would you do differently and why?
  • #81,923
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:33pm Mar 31, 2009 9:33pm
hey, anybody else remember when you had to set an alarm on this pair to let you know the spread had closed?
FUBAR...
  • #81,924
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:34pm Mar 31, 2009 9:34pm
Quoting 2 + 2 = 4ex
I think you guys are being harsh. Not that I'm sticking up for anyone, but it's easy to criticize. What would you do? And do you think you know more about what is going on (as a whole) than they do? Just asking...
If you're American, you should be a lot harsher than I am.

It's not about being Democrat or Republican. It's a matter of economics.

You don't bailout private companies. WTF is Obama doing firing Wagoner? It's got nothing to do with whether or not Wagoner did a good job. It's a board of director's job to fire the CEO, not the American president.

WTF are they doing running an insurance company?

WTF are they doing running banks?

WTF are they doing cranking up the printing presses? Printing money is a way to riches? Then why not move to Zimbabwe. Seen the Zimbabwe board of tourism ad? "Zimbabwe, where everyone is a billionaire".

Let private industry go tits up if they are incompetent. There will be an automotive industry without GM and Chrysler. There will be a banking sector without Shitibank. There will be an insurance sector without AIG.

So yeah, I'm harsh.

And if I was an American living in the states, I would be much much harsher.

Your tax dollar is paying AIG, GM, Chrysler and Shitibank's fuckups. Think about that.
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  • #81,925
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:34pm Mar 31, 2009 9:34pm
Quoting gatorinla
this shit is funny... it never gets old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKD_BSMXVjg
The pretty part is that he was elected, twice :o
Traders are smartasses
  • #81,926
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:44pm Mar 31, 2009 9:44pm
he said yesterday that the gummint is gonna stand behind your new GM or chrysler warranty too. great.
FUBAR...
  • #81,927
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:47pm Mar 31, 2009 9:47pm
Quoting 2 + 2 = 4ex
I honestly believe that these people are trying to handle the situation (aka mess) they been given the best way they can. Let's not forget how we got here. So what would you do differently and why?
I'm an undergraduate economics student attending university, and even here they don't detail the absolutely MORONIC FAILED government attaches' to the supposed FREE MARKET. NEVER have any of my professors hinted at the fact that irresponsible central banking (FED) has completely derailed sound fiscal policy and installed in its place a spiraling national debt and massive inflation.

The real problem that you'll absolutely NEVER hear on the media though deals with what has been labeled "derivatives," which are in a broad sense what we are trading at the moment. Highly leveraged, "exotic" investment vehicles have been stretched out to astronomic values, several QUADRILLION dollars in fact (look up how much just a quadrillion is). These ghost assets are the main culprits in undermining the stability of economies around the globe! Why do you think it's a WORLDWIDE problem?! Is it possible that the economies themselves simply stop working, NO! Food doesn't just stop growing, factories' machines don't get tired and decide to stop producing, it's the means behind funding and capitalizing industry and economy that fail!
  • #81,928
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:51pm Mar 31, 2009 9:51pm
Quoting gatorinla
this shit is funny... it never gets old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKD_BSMXVjg

Danm this really proves we had a Complete Retard for President....This guy went to Harvard....
DISCIPLINE IS THE KEY TO SUCCESS!!!:nerd:
  • #81,929
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:52pm Mar 31, 2009 9:52pm
We all have the right to question and raise our concerns. But it seems like sometimes the criticisms (or the level of them) are unjustified in my opinion. How long has Obama been in office now? I'm not completely sure, but I know it is less than 120 days. I feel like he has done more in that time then the other guy did in his last 4 years. To start he has sent the message that there he's going to crack the whip (at least once in awhile) on wall street and execs. The American economy is the backbone of the country make no mistake about it. It's not families or moral values or ingenuity or education or even courage. Other countries have these same qualities in their people.

What sets us apart is the strength of our economy which was built on the freedom the constitution grants everyone. So I have no problem with our President trying to help keep some of the large employers afloat by extending a loan to them. I have no problem with him making demands to those companies to accepted the money being lent. The idea was sound in my opinion. Save jobs. By saving jobs, the snowball effect is slowed down, because people can pay their mortgages, auto, and other neccessities. Now if it becomes aparent that the money being lent isn't going to stop them from collapsing then you stop loaning money. No sense in continuing to throw money in a fire.
  • #81,930
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:54pm Mar 31, 2009 9:54pm
Quoting Jay Walker
If you're American, you should be a lot harsher than I am.



Your tax dollar is paying AIG, GM, Chrysler and Shitibank's fuckups. Think about that.
Lol, I love the whole thing, I bought Shiti bank shares for $1 and sold them for $2.75, I bought GE for $7 and sold them for $10, I bought AIG for $0.55 and sold them for $1.68
I love the current situation because of the very easy money that can be made. I also made gains on Yahoo, Microsoft, Google and ATT.

Please let the DOW go back to 6,500 and I'll do the same but much bigger and I'll even borrow money for it.

Not much time for this thread and posting charts at the moment because I have an Income Tax business on the side, and believe me, I hope in a year or so to make as much money from forex as I now make from Income Tax.
(That's very nice second income WITHOUT risk).

Shamu

By the way, does anyone need help with their forex income tax? I'm licensed nation wide in USA and member of the Better Business Bureau since 6 years with no complaint on my record.
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  • #81,931
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:55pm Mar 31, 2009 9:55pm
Quoting got pips?
Danm this really proves we had a Complete Retard for President....This guy went to Harvard....
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  • #81,932
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:57pm Mar 31, 2009 9:57pm
Quoting KillerWhale
Lol, I love the whole thing, I bought Shiti bank shares for $1 and sold them for $2.75, I bought GE for $7 and sold them for $10, I bought AIG for $0.55 and sold them for $1.68
I love the current situation because of the very easy money that can be made. I also made gains on Yahoo, Microsoft, Google and ATT.

Please let the DOW go back to 6,500 and I'll do the same but much bigger and I'll even borrow money for it.

Not much time for this thread and posting charts at the moment because I have an Income Tax business on the side, and believe me,...
Congrats KW, you're a good stock picker.

But that doesn't change the fact that your tax dollar is paying for the screwups of those bailed out.
Not all sins are created equal
  • #81,933
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:59pm Mar 31, 2009 9:59pm
Let me ask you all....do you honestly think the other guy would have done a better job?
  • #81,934
  • Mar 31, 2009 9:59pm Mar 31, 2009 9:59pm
Quoting 2 + 2 = 4ex
We all have the right to question and raise our concerns....
Goldman Sachs and the rest of Wall Street literally SHOWERED Obama with campaign contributions. Do you honestly believe that he is going to "crack the whip" on his biggest campaign contributors?! Wake up! Wake up! The money being lent comes at a huge opportunity cost! It's akin to giving a starving man bread, but consequently taking a loaf of bread off of 10 families' tables each day for a month. The cost is that high concerning inflation and international credibility!

The majority of the "porkulus" funds go to the largest tiered BANKS, who then don't lend money to anyone! In order to get a loan now, you essentially have to be rich, and not even really need the money. So in effect, these bills indirectly take money (via inflation) from the general citizenry, and allow rich corporations and private millionaires access to the money! How is that helping the economy?
  • #81,935
  • Mar 31, 2009 10:02pm Mar 31, 2009 10:02pm
Quoting KillerWhale
I love the current situation because of the very easy money that can be made. I also made gains on Yahoo, Microsoft, Google and ATT.

Please let the DOW go back to 6,500 and I'll do the same but much bigger and I'll even borrow money for it.
Warren Buffet was soooooo right when he said:

When people are greedy, I get scared.
When people are scared, I get greedy.

That's how you build a fortune.

Let this be a lesson for all of us.

Happy trading, and I wish you all big gains.

Shamu
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  • #81,936
  • Mar 31, 2009 10:02pm Mar 31, 2009 10:02pm
Quoting rainingpips
Goldman Sachs and the rest of Wall Street literally SHOWERED Obama with campaign contributions. Do you honestly believe that he is going to "crack the whip" on his biggest campaign contributors?! Wake up! Wake up! The money being lent comes at a huge opportunity cost! It's akin to giving a starving man bread, but consequently taking a loaf of bread off of 10 families' tables each day for a month. The cost is that high concerning inflation and international credibility!

The majority of the "porkulus" funds go to the largest tiered BANKS, who...
It's a crappy situation we're in. And I don't think there is one way to get out of it without negatively affecting something (ie inflation or something else). So let's not debate what is going on because I know we'll go in circles forever. Just tell me what you would do if you were Obama and why?
  • #81,937
  • Mar 31, 2009 10:04pm Mar 31, 2009 10:04pm
Quoting rainingpips
Goldman Sachs and the rest of Wall Street literally SHOWERED Obama with campaign contributions. Do you honestly believe that he is going to "crack the whip" on his biggest campaign contributors?! Wake up! Wake up! The money being lent comes at a huge opportunity cost! It's akin to giving a starving man bread, but consequently taking a loaf of bread off of 10 families' tables each day for a month. The cost is that high concerning inflation and international credibility!

The majority of the "porkulus" funds go to the largest tiered BANKS, who...
hmmm didnt paulson bail out aig and aig give goldmen 13 billion?
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #81,938
  • Mar 31, 2009 10:05pm Mar 31, 2009 10:05pm
Quoting 2 + 2 = 4ex
Let me ask you all....do you honestly think the other guy would have done a better job?
you need to remove yourself from the left-right paradigm and think outside the carefully controlled box. Political infighting does not help an economic crisis, it only exacerbates it via a complete antipathy towards the core issues, and refocuses the animosity towards your fellow citizen.

Please watch the Obama Deception; I don't ask you to believe anything I say, but at least watch the film with an open objective mind. I think it will answer alot of your questions. Link.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...xUWNg01dm0yeHw
  • #81,939
  • Mar 31, 2009 10:06pm Mar 31, 2009 10:06pm
Quoting 2 + 2 = 4ex
What sets us apart is the strength of our economy which was built on the freedom the constitution grants everyone.
There's nothing in the constitution giving the rights to seize and run private enterprise.

Quoting 2 + 2 = 4ex
So I have no problem with our President trying to help keep some of the large employers afloat by extending a loan to them. I have no problem with him making demands to those companies to accepted the money being lent. The idea was sound in my opinion. Save jobs.
A loan would imply that it will be paid back. Just watch. It won't be.

The Soviets tried running companies. See how well they did in spite of the demands they made.

Quoting 2 + 2 = 4ex
By saving jobs, the snowball effect is slowed down, because people can pay their mortgages, auto, and other neccessities. Now if it becomes aparent that the money being lent isn't going to stop them from collapsing then you stop loaning money. No sense in continuing to throw money in a fire.
So a Detroit autoworker pays taxes which goes to Washington. Then the money goes to GM so they can keep said autoworker employed.

Jobs are spared but at what price? Can't lower interest rates. Can't raise taxes. So you print money. Not a deal I'd sign up for.
Not all sins are created equal
  • #81,940
  • Mar 31, 2009 10:09pm Mar 31, 2009 10:09pm
Quoting 99vt66
I have noticed a strange phenomenon in this thread where most traders here are actually doing the exact opposite in their trade calls when they sell instead of buying and buy instead of selling. I have a sneaky feeling that some of them may actually be working for some market makers/brokers throwing in all sort of ludicrous trade calls trying to create a market distortions on actual price actions.
Well mabbe its just my imagination.. But one thing I definitely know is those MM/Brokers aint gonna hedge against most of the calls made here.....
Sticking...
Well man it looks you are somewhat right, as i also have noticed that price is usually moving against the viewpoint of the majority here. So I start to consider trading against the recommendations by the majority.
Happy pipping
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