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  • #3,841
  • Nov 22, 2025 3:01am Nov 22, 2025 3:01am
Quoting TerryBogger
Hi, thanks for sharing this system. I really like the idea of trading purely from support and resistance without indicators. I’m mainly an intraday trader as well, so this fits my style. I have a couple of questions if you don’t mind: Which timeframes do you personally use the most for entries – 15m, 30m or 1h? How do you normally place stops – beyond the last swing high/low or a fixed pip distance? Do you filter your trades by session (e.g. London only) or do you trade the whole day? I’m going to try this on demo for a bit and see how it feels....

  1. Island traded from the 5min to 30min tf
  2. Stop was just beyond the wick of the rejection candle ... sometimes just a few pips
  3. 8AM to 9:30AM Tokyo, London and NY respectively

  • #3,842
  • Nov 23, 2025 7:30pm Nov 23, 2025 7:30pm
Quoting TerryBogger
Hi, thanks for sharing this system. I really like the idea of trading purely from support and resistance without indicators. I’m mainly an intraday trader as well, so this fits my style. I have a couple of questions if you don’t mind: Which timeframes do you personally use the most for entries – 15m, 30m or 1h? How do you normally place stops – beyond the last swing high/low or a fixed pip distance? Do you filter your trades by session (e.g. London only) or do you trade the whole day? I’m going to try this on demo for a bit and see how it feels....
New traders comin to this thread, read , study and take notes of all the OP' posts.

You will find answers to most of the questions not asked before.

This is intraday trading, very short-term trading which you will get in with minus 1R risk and target plus 7.5R profits. Whether you trade on 1hour, 30mnutes, 15minutes or 5 minutes, you should know the market sessions of the day. Every hour is something happening, it can be market events happening in the countries affecting the volatility. It can be release of economic data in the countries. It can geopolitical events in countries which affects the various markets not just forex, etc.

You decide on time of the day you want to trade and the number of hours you have in front of your computer with internet access. At minimum you need to be available for 2 to 4 hours each of your trading session.

Which market session do you trade ?

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  • #3,843
  • Nov 23, 2025 7:47pm Nov 23, 2025 7:47pm
Quoting Islandfx911
Hi Traders, Entering trades when no rejection has occurred. {image}
Read, study, posts #691 to #698, and takes notes.

XAU Nov 24 Tokyo 10am

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  • #3,844
  • Nov 23, 2025 7:55pm Nov 23, 2025 7:55pm
Quoting TerryBogger
Hi, thanks for sharing this system. I really like the idea of trading purely from support and resistance without indicators. I’m mainly an intraday trader as well, so this fits my style. I have a couple of questions if you don’t mind: Which timeframes do you personally use the most for entries – 15m, 30m or 1h? How do you normally place stops – beyond the last swing high/low or a fixed pip distance? Do you filter your trades by session (e.g. London only) or do you trade the whole day? I’m going to try this on demo for a bit and see how it feels....

@TerryBogger

NZDUSD Week 48

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NZDUSD Nov 24 Tokyo 10am

- know your Daily SnR levels

- then look for trades on 1Hr

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  • #3,845
  • Nov 23, 2025 8:04pm Nov 23, 2025 8:04pm
BTC Nov 24

- watching reaction and Daily Open and 87966

- pay attention to the H1 and M30 candles Close.


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  • #3,846
  • Nov 23, 2025 8:29pm Nov 23, 2025 8:29pm
Quoting emmanuel7788
BTC Nov 24 - watching reaction and Daily Open and 87966 - pay attention to the H1 and M30 candles Close. {image}
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Do you see the reaction ?

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  • #3,847
  • Nov 24, 2025 1:19am Nov 24, 2025 1:19am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} Got some free time today so I put this thorugh the strategy tester. 12 months H4 data, Jan 2023 to Feb 11, 2024 same setup candle, same entry different exit TP 2R , TP 3R and TP 7.5R you can compare the results {image} {image} {image} any trading system with +2R and above has the statistical EDGE {image} ...
Do u have MT4 EA bcz you are used Strategy Tester ?
  • #3,848
  • Nov 25, 2025 5:01am Nov 25, 2025 5:01am
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  • Nov 25, 2025 9:41am Nov 25, 2025 9:41am
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  • #3,850
  • Nov 26, 2025 5:41am Nov 26, 2025 5:41am
Hi all, I haven't commented in this thread yet but had to ask as need some help after reading most of the first 30 pages of this thread. I have drawn the S/R lines from the Daily right through to the 30 minute timeframe and then finish using the rectangle tool on a number of forex pairs. When I do my back testing, the opportunities for an impulse move are rare, and the most I've seen for RR is 1:4.5, but mostly is around 1:2 or 1:3, is this normal and must I be doing something wrong? I am using the 15M timeframe for entries.
  • #3,851
  • Nov 26, 2025 10:31am Nov 26, 2025 10:31am
Quoting lostTrad3r
Hi all, I haven't commented in this thread yet but had to ask as need some help after reading most of the first 30 pages of this thread. I have drawn the S/R lines from the Daily right through to the 30 minute timeframe and then finish using the rectangle tool on a number of forex pairs. When I do my back testing, the opportunities for an impulse move are rare, and the most I've seen for RR is 1:4.5, but mostly is around 1:2 or 1:3, is this normal and must I be doing something wrong? I am using the 15M timeframe for entries.
Hello, bellow is an excerpt from my log on EURUSD it might help. Columns of interest for you are Date (A), Day(B), Timeframe(C), Session (H), RiskReward to next lvl(Q), MaxRiskReward if held (R). For the last 2 weeks average is 4R and max-average is 5R.

Not sure why you are struggling with finding impulse setups. I suggest reading the thread to its completion at least once and taking note of Robs image examples of setups

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  • #3,852
  • Edited 12:18pm Nov 26, 2025 10:59am | Edited 12:18pm
Hi popallica34, thank you for taking the time out and replying.

I have gone through your table and marked off each one only to 19th Nov @ 12:00 on my 15-minute chart, as 15-minute chart only goes that far on my platform, it looks like I didn't even mark up the bottom half of the 4H chart, mainly because I thought 4H TF was large so zoomed in quite a bit when I started marking up.

The reason I didn't see the two trades on the far right was because I thought impulse moves were supposed to be clean? i.e. if its going up it should go up straight, no pulling back or any red candles, etc.

I have just put in the levels for the bottom half, and on my chart none of them are impulse moves, so I wouldn't have seen any of those - I had assumed that the only trades to be taking were the impulse moves that cross the marked levels? My levels must be off?

I've attached an updated image of my screen.

Nice table btw, you enter every detail for every trade?

How long do my posts be moderated for please before going live?
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  • #3,853
  • Edited 7:32pm Nov 26, 2025 6:20pm | Edited 7:32pm
Currently demo trading the Asia session on AUD/USD, EUR/AUD, GBP/AUD, USD/JPY, AUD/JPY, XAUUSD.

I have both screens setup and looking at potentially going long on AUD/USD if there is a retest, not sure whether the movement through the zone is an impulse move - my mind is saying it isn't but going to take the trade when it happens to build experience.

Screenshot of AUD/USD that I am monitoring along with 5 other instruments on the left.

Btw, my trading knowledge is good and I have experience trading but never made a profit on forex so please do point out if you see anything I should be improving, all constructive criticism welcome

UPDATE: its now 1 and a half hours into the Asia session and very little movement, so calling it a day. I accidently closed two of my pair tabs with the levels so will have to do again tomorrow morning for them. I have more hope for more liquidity in the London session tomorrow.
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  • #3,854
  • Nov 26, 2025 10:17pm Nov 26, 2025 10:17pm
Quoting lostTrad3r
Hi popallica34, thank you for taking the time out and replying. I have gone through your table and marked off each one only to 19th Nov @ 12:00 on my 15-minute chart, as 15-minute chart only goes that far on my platform, it looks like I didn't even mark up the bottom half of the 4H chart, mainly because I thought 4H TF was large so zoomed in quite a bit when I started marking up. The reason I didn't see the two trades on the far right was because I thought impulse moves were supposed to be clean? i.e. if its going up it should go up straight, no...
Hello, regarding the "quality of the impulse move" - Rob defined them as strong moves with weak pullbacks. I don't recall him giving a exact definition for the word 'strong' but in his many examples in the thread, we see impulse moves both clearing out only one pivot highs/lows and also those clearing out several highs/lows ( Robs examples attached ). I personally catalogue them as 'weak' and 'strong' impulses based on this and take it in account when considering a setup.

@ levels - Rob gave many examples in the thread on how to draw them and once you get the hang of it they are one of the easier parts of his system to grasp since it is mostly mechanical. If you feel you are having some issues with them after some practice, post some line charts and me and other will take a look. Also, i see you are drawing zones on your chart while mentioning levels so I would just like to point out that they are 2 different things. The higher time frame levels are there for profit targets, trade direction and gauging overall context. The flip zones are there as "launch pads" for rejection candles to start a move ( also visible on Robs examples attached )

@ table - yea, I like keeping a log file with screenshots and general trade data. Great for gathering stats, trade review, and easy future reference of past days setups. Highly recommend
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  • #3,855
  • Edited 4:37am Nov 27, 2025 2:41am | Edited 4:37am
popallica34, I have gone back to the 1st thread and read through to see if I can pick up on the 'flip zones', if I am understanding correctly, these are picked up on the lower timeframes, like the 30M?

Took a trade this morning 15 minutes after open on GBPUSD, the bearish candle has a upper wick but not too long and price had gone well past previous lower low, so seemed plausible, I am using 1% risk on a £1000 account (£10).

UPDATE - I may have got the whole idea with this strategy wrong, so it is one of the following 3 but which one:

1. I initially thought the system was to mark out the levels from the daily, then go to the 4H, then 30M and add in the rectangles, etc. and then to trade off these levels after a retest using the 15M.

2. Now I think the way it should be from what I have gathered is to mark out the levels from the 4H, working down to 30M, these will be used for profit targets and bias, and should be adjusted weekly. The final step is using 30M to look for trades (impulse moves inline with bias) and 15M for entry.

3. if its not the above two, then it must be something slightly or completely different.
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  • #3,856
  • Nov 27, 2025 6:58am Nov 27, 2025 6:58am
Quoting lostTrad3r
popallica34, I have gone back to the 1st thread and read through to see if I can pick up on the 'flip zones', if I am understanding correctly, these are picked up on the lower timeframes, like the 30M? Took a trade this morning 15 minutes after open on GBPUSD, the bearish candle has a upper wick but not too long and price had gone well past previous lower low, so seemed plausible, I am using 1% risk on a £1000 account (£10). UPDATE - I may have got the whole idea with this strategy wrong, so it is one of the following 3 but which one: 1. I initially...
In regards to your trade - I'm not really sure If I understood which bar you used as an entry so I'm just gonna go ahead and attach a chart bellow on how Robert thought us to enter this. The chart you provided actually has an "advanced" rejection bar which is basically a more-or-less shaved bull bar with the wick being on the following bar. In this case, your entry would be on the bear bar once the price crosses the entry price on its way back from the wick. I personally always try to aim for wick ~33% or will be looking for a wickless rejection bar entry (please note that this is just a personal preference. Roberts formal stance on wick length is quoted bellow). Bellow is my annotation of the correct entry bar for GBPUSD today and I have added Roberts remark on "wickless" rejection bars and his general stance on wick lenght

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Important note on rejection bars: they should always be bull rejection bars for short and bear rejection bars for longs to maximize your RR.

In regards to the other points you made:

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1. I initially thought the system was to mark out the levels from the daily, then go to the 4H, then 30M and add in the rectangles, etc. and then to trade off these levels after a retest using the 15M

That is correct. I personally found his system deceivingly simple and on many occasions have been brought to tears of frustration, wondering if I was a moron for not being able to pull it off. It literally has 3 steps- Draw zones, wait for pullback of impulse move and enter on rejection candle. But as you continue at it, it gets clearer. What made it click for me was re-reading his posts on this thread and practice.
  • #3,857
  • Nov 27, 2025 7:45am Nov 27, 2025 7:45am
A bull rejection bar like a bearish 'pin bar' when going short? I guess it would be more like the ideal bar above in your image but with 1/5 of the body?

Did you mean number 2? Because now I am wondering where the 'flip zones' come in that you mentioned earlier.
  • #3,858
  • Nov 27, 2025 9:13am Nov 27, 2025 9:13am
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A bull rejection bar like a bearish 'pin bar' when going short? I guess it would be more like the ideal bar above in your image but with 1/5 of the body?

Pls find bellow bullish rejection bar (1) and bearish rejection bar (2) per Robs definition on yesterdays EURUSD, NY Session

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  • #3,859
  • Nov 27, 2025 9:18am Nov 27, 2025 9:18am
Quoting popallica34
{quote} Pls find bellow bullish rejection bar (1) and bearish rejection bar (2) per Robs definition on yesterdays EURUSD, NY Session {image}
popallica my apologies for all these questions! I am re-reading the first 5 pages of this thread again and maybe beyond that to properly grasp the basics, thank you for your help. I'll report back in a couple/few days with an update on progress.

I am making notes as I progress...
  • #3,860
  • Nov 27, 2025 1:44pm Nov 27, 2025 1:44pm
Quoting popallica34
{quote} Hello, bellow is an excerpt from my log on EURUSD it might help. Columns of interest for you are Date (A), Day(B), Timeframe(C), Session (H), RiskReward to next lvl(Q), MaxRiskReward if held (R). For the last 2 weeks average is 4R and max-average is 5R. Not sure why you are struggling with finding impulse setups. I suggest reading the thread to its completion at least once and taking note of Robs image examples of setups {image}
Hi popallica34 what system are you using and can I use it on probfirms
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