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  • #81
  • Sep 19, 2024 5:36am Sep 19, 2024 5:36am
Quoting yoriz
{quote} LOL. I believe the official term is "data snooping" or "lookahead bias" but not everybody here is a computer geek so I used "future". From the perspective of the indicator it is future data. When it is calculating the value of the MA on January 1st, it should not be using prices of January 2nd and January 3rd in its calculation. That is cheating. It is impossible to do that at the rightmost side of the chart where the live trading takes place. {quote} Yes, that is how it looks visually, but the indicator is not drawing itself at a shifted...
No, the indicator never did any calculations in the future!
What you're describing is still in the past.
The calculations are done on data from bars which have already been plotted, not from bars which didn't exist.
And this means, that it is never future data!
Somebody, at some time mixed up your mind and you believed them, that's all.
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  • #82
  • Edited 7:00am Sep 19, 2024 6:32am | Edited 7:00am
Quoting yoriz
{quote} LOL. I believe the official term is "data snooping" or "lookahead bias" but not everybody here is a computer geek so I used "future". From the perspective of the indicator it is future data. When it is calculating the value of the MA on January 1st, it should not be using prices of January 2nd and January 3rd in its calculation. That is cheating. It is impossible to do that at the rightmost side of the chart where the live trading takes place. {quote} Yes, that is how it looks visually, but the indicator is not drawing itself at a shifted...
The purpose of using shifts on the MA or other indicators is to see the trend clearly without being obstructed by candles as a strategy/signal example:
connect the TMA candle 0 with the TMA Candle 26 as a signal
if candle 0 is above candle 26 then the signal is buy
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if candle 0 is below candle 26 then the signal is sell
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TMA Candle 0 VS TMA Candle 6 as a signal
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EMA 9 Shift 0 VS EMA 9 Shift 6
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  • #83
  • Sep 19, 2024 7:19am Sep 19, 2024 7:19am
Quoting BestTraderEv
No, the indicator never did any calculations in the future! What you're describing is still in the past.
I don't seem to get my point across. Not sure how to explain myself differently.

I can provide you an indicator that draws red/green arrows on past data on a chart at the exact perfect time to go long and go short. The indicator will not cheat and not use future data (by your definition). Interested? You will be a millionaire soon!
  • #84
  • Sep 19, 2024 9:22am Sep 19, 2024 9:22am
Quoting yoriz
{quote} I don't seem to get my point across. Not sure how to explain myself differently. I can provide you an indicator that draws red/green arrows on past data on a chart at the exact perfect time to go long and go short. The indicator will not cheat and not use future data (by your definition). Interested? You will be a millionaire soon!
I don't believe it, but I'm very interested. Maybe you can also send me a copy! It can help me learn more! Thanks！
  • #85
  • Edited 10:58am Sep 19, 2024 10:29am | Edited 10:58am
Quoting lurenyi31616
I don't believe it, but I'm very interested. Maybe you can also send me a copy! It can help me learn more! Thanks！
I have great news: that indicator is already part of the standard indicators in your MT4 or MT5 platform. It is called "Zigzag"! It perfectly draws lines between the lowest low and highest high. If you go long/short at these bars you will become a millionaire!
  • #86
  • Edited 2:21pm Sep 19, 2024 12:37pm | Edited 2:21pm
Quoting Darwati
The purpose of using shifts on the MA or other indicators is to see the trend clearly without being obstructed by candles as a strategy/signal
Yes, absolutely. This can be very helpful as a guide-to-the-eye. Same goes for TMA-CG which draws nice smooth lines and clear channels.

I merely tried to warn that this is just redrawing and might give the false impression that the indicator already gave a signal early on, while in reality it didn't. Not relevant when we are aware of this, or just want to eyeball a chart, but it is relevant when we want to use the rightmost indicator values in a live market. Anyway, people have found ways to trade profitable with the TMA-CG indicator so good for them!

I will drop this topic now, as I don't want to take over this entire thread.
  • #87
  • Sep 19, 2024 2:16pm Sep 19, 2024 2:16pm
Quoting yoriz
{quote} Yes, absolutely. This can be very helpful as a guide-to-the-eye. Same goes for TMA-CG which draws nice smooth lines and clear channels. I merely tried to warn that this is just redrawing and might give the false impression that the indicator already gave a signal early on, while in reality it didn't. Not relevant when we are aware of this, or just want to eyeball a chart, but it is relevant when we want to use the rightmost indicator values in a live market. Anyway, people have found ways to trade profitable with the TMA-CG indicator so...
Please don’t share other indicators. This thread is focused on the TMA-CG-2024, not other indicators.

As many have tried to explain, it’s impossible for an indicator to read data from the future because it hasn’t happened yet.

I mean this respectfully: if you don’t understand how indicators work (especially after three coders have explained it to you), then your statements about indicators are irrelevant.
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  • #88
  • Sep 19, 2024 2:33pm Sep 19, 2024 2:33pm
Quoting jblanked
{quote} Please don’t share other indicators. This thread is focused on the TMA-CG-2024, not other indicators.
Sure, I removed the indicator.

Quoting jblanked
As many have tried to explain, it’s impossible for an indicator to read data from the future because it hasn’t happened yet. I mean this respectfully: if you don’t understand how indicators work (especially after three coders have explained it to you), then your statements about indicators are irrelevant.
Thanks, I know very well how to code indicators. I am not a native English speaker so it must be a semantics discussion around the word "future". You are a coder yourself, so you know very well that indicators can use data in their calculation that is to the right from the position they are currently calculating (i.e. more recent data, which I tend to call "future" data but apparently that triggers some native English speaking people): value[i] = open[i+1000].
  • #89
  • Sep 19, 2024 2:39pm Sep 19, 2024 2:39pm
Quoting yoriz
{quote} Sure, I removed the indicator.
Thank you brother.

Quoting yoriz
{quote} Thanks, I know very well how to code indicators. I am not a native English speaker so it must be a semantics discussion around the word "future". You are a coder yourself, so you know very well that indicators can use data in their calculation that is to the right from the position they are currently calculating (i.e. more recent data, which I tend to call "future" data but apparently that triggers some native English speaking people): value[i] = open[i+1000].
I didn’t mean to sound so harsh. Yes, you’re correct in saying that indicators can use data to the right of the position they are currently calculating, but that’s only if there is data available to the right of that position.
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  • #90
  • Sep 19, 2024 2:50pm Sep 19, 2024 2:50pm
Quoting jblanked
Yes, you’re correct in saying that indicators can use data to the right of the position they are currently calculating, but that’s only if there is data available to the right of that position.
Exactly my point!! So when you refresh the indicator you give it the opportunity to use new data that wasn't there a while ago. It will update/redraw its lines to make them more smooth and more importantly: it will possibly update some of the arrows. So the arrows you are seeing on the chart might not yet have been there at that point in time. The indicator only later decided that in hindsight that would have been a good time to go long/short.

Just something to keep in mind when writing an EA or do manual live trading. But as long as you are aware of this then it is not a problem. In fact, there are several traders in this thread that say they use the indicator successfully.
  • #91
  • Sep 19, 2024 3:36pm Sep 19, 2024 3:36pm
Quoting yoriz
{quote} Exactly my point!! So when you refresh the indicator you give it the opportunity to use new data that wasn't there a while ago. It will update/redraw its lines to make them more smooth and more importantly: it will possibly update some of the arrows.
This is true, but the differences aren't noticeable until many many candles afterward.

Quoting yoriz
{quote} In fact, there are several traders in this thread that say they use the indicator successfully.
This is also true. Works well with live trading and expert advisors, especially if you understand how to profit while it is calculating live. I think most traders who use the TMA-CG analyze the recalculated data only, which leaves a bad taste in their mouths.
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  • #92
  • Sep 19, 2024 11:28pm Sep 19, 2024 11:28pm
Let me explain again, all repaint indicators can be used on EAs that use 0 candle data
0 candle data = realtime data on all indicators
but you will find it difficult to analyze if the chart has been refreshed
So for strategy analysis you have to use a chart comparison before and after refreshing
If you want more detail then use the value in the indicator, not the indicator view
the same applies to TMA-CG


The transaction below uses a combination of TMA-CG + MA as the main indicator
and several other indicators as confirmation/support in my EA
I did not provide detailed parameters, please use parameters according to your trading style
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  • #93
  • Sep 20, 2024 1:03am Sep 20, 2024 1:03am
If anyone has the time, hunt for a post by user "reteid" - she has posted a pic using 2 TMAs.

I think the post is in the "Extreme TMA" thread. I have saved the pic somewhere but don't remember the post number. It was a very useful post, might be of use to anyone who wants to go forward using TMAs.



Edit: found the pic, posted it below
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  • #94
  • Edited 2:13am Sep 20, 2024 1:58am | Edited 2:13am
Quoting Darwati
Let me explain again, all repaint indicators can be used on EAs that use 0 candle data 0 candle data = realtime data on all indicators but you will find it difficult to analyze if the chart has been refreshed So for strategy analysis you have to use a chart comparison before and after refreshing If you want more detail then use the value in the indicator, not the indicator view the same applies to TMA-CG The transaction below uses a combination of TMA-CG + MA as the main indicator and several other indicators as confirmation/support in my EA I did...
Example using TMA-CG + EMA
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The combination of indicators is just a conclusion to determine the signal
Next, how do you manage orders according to existing signals?
ask yourself, your answer will stimulate your brain to develop your trading style
because the FF forum is only limited to determining signals
  • #95
  • Sep 22, 2024 9:29pm Sep 22, 2024 9:29pm
Quoting jblanked
Hey all, I’ve edited the infamous TMA-CG-Mladen-NFP. All credit goes to Mladen for his idea and humility in sharing the original TMA code. In this version, I: - Created a class to simplify use in Indicators, Expert Advisors, and more - Replaced iCustom(s) with iBarShift - Created an MT5 version - Switched init() to OnInit() - Switched start() to OnCalculate() - Switched deinit() to OnDeInit() - Removed alerts - Converted externs into inputs - Implemented the CIndicator class - Changed the string input TimeFrame to ENUM_TIMEFRAMES input inpTimeframe...
Thanks JB, yesterday i search entire world, then i found you, this indicators i've using for nearly 11 month, but combine with BB to filter Arrow ,
then i need mt5 version that is created by you.
Engineering of any things
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  • #96
  • Sep 23, 2024 5:13am Sep 23, 2024 5:13am
Quoting akhmadfx
{quote} Thanks JB, yesterday i search entire world, then i found you, this indicators i've using for nearly 11 month, but combine with BB to filter Arrow , then i need mt5 version that is created by you.
MT5 version still have minor bugs, because when i change timeframe ,all band line looks like draw only vertical line, must be twice when change time frame,
in example :

  1. First time indicator put on chart is normal line drawing, (Timeframe M30).
  2. Then change timeframe from toolbox of mt5, from M30 to M15, indicator seems not drawing band line correctly, only show vertical line for all line,
  3. And then change timeframe from M15 to M30, now on M30 is normal drawing band line.
  4. Lastly i change timeframe from M30 to M15 again, then all band line and arrow normal, not like when i first time change TF from M30 to M15.


SS number 2, 1st time change timeframe from M30 to M15,

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SS of number 4, 2nd time change TF from M30 to M15
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Engineering of any things
TMA 2025 Triangular Moving Average Return Today: 0.1%
  • #97
  • Sep 23, 2024 5:31am Sep 23, 2024 5:31am
Quoting akhmadfx
{quote} MT5 version still have minor bugs, because when i change timeframe ,all band line looks like draw only vertical line, must be twice when change time frame, in example : First time indicator put on chart is normal line drawing, (Timeframe M30). Then change timeframe from toolbox of mt5, from M30 to M15, indicator seems not drawing band line correctly, only show vertical line for all line, And then change timeframe from M15 to M30, now on M30 is normal drawing band line. Lastly i change timeframe from M30 to M15 again, then all band line and...
Thanks for looking into it!!

It’s not a “bug”; on the first chart load, MT5 will load the candle history required by indicators. That is why when you load that timeframe a second time, everything is back to normal.

Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns
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  • #98
  • Sep 23, 2024 5:55am Sep 23, 2024 5:55am
Quoting jblanked
{quote} Thanks for looking into it!! It’s not a “bug”; on the first chart load, MT5 will load the candle history required by indicators. That is why when you load that timeframe a second time, everything is back to normal. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns
Thanks for your response,
but this can make error reading if i use this indicators in EA,
Engineering of any things
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  • #99
  • Sep 23, 2024 6:04am Sep 23, 2024 6:04am
Quoting akhmadfx
{quote} Thanks for your response, but this can make error reading if i use this indicators in EA,
Create a pointer of the class using the .mqh file (like I did with the indicator) instead of using iCustom with the indicator file.
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  • #100
  • Sep 28, 2024 5:59am Sep 28, 2024 5:59am
Quoting yoriz
{quote} I don't seem to get my point across. Not sure how to explain myself differently. I can provide you an indicator that draws red/green arrows on past data on a chart at the exact perfect time to go long and go short. The indicator will not cheat and not use future data (by your definition). Interested? You will be a millionaire soon!
Yeah, I can show you the same.
I think you don't know who you're talking to.
.ex4/.ex5 files can't be fixed or modified / I'm not a coder!
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