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  • #5,681
  • Mar 6, 2023 4:55pm Mar 6, 2023 4:55pm
Quoting TimeTells
Crikey, I wake up and so much to read, cheers & thx to all (apologies to any I missed upticking, it wasn't because I didn't value stuff, EVERYTHING we see helps us to learn). I think we can all safely say now we are looking at the fuller Market Mechanics & Behaviours. (As Kev mentioned earlier in a post, many here spent time with George discussing his own viewpoint on things such as these market mechanics). (THOUGH, too many I believe in my heart, read his thread only looking for one magical...
Hi Pete.....
Very true about people looking for the golden goose as it pertains to George's thread,,, yet it really does not have to be so complicated...trading that is...the biggest battle is dealing with ourselves whilst we trade and pull the trigger and exit etc... Those emotions that's the hard part...

Look at the chart you posted... And mine for that matter... Georges targets..BRNs etc...we can beat the horse on and on...but use those areas... The OUTSIDE trade from the outside to mitigate your risk... Use confluences...it's really that simple...and when the market keeps on trudging against you...that's why you trade from the outside...cut it...and wash your hands ...you don't have to be right all the time..

It's truly that simple...it is we who make it hard.. and when your really good like Pete...you can get right up inside of the flow and Duke it out...but Pete's a far better boxer than me lol... Had my ass beat tooooo many times lol..

Keep it simple...

Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #5,682
  • Edited 6:17pm Mar 6, 2023 5:00pm | Edited 6:17pm
I dislike forum politics. It's a scourge to us all.

I am a direct person, I don't mince my words.

This idea about market intent which delve into what might potentially happen in future market based on past and current data is essentially my idea based on years of research.

I introduced such notion to FF on Andy's thread.
Thanks to his hospitality, he has hosted my posts.
Thank you Andy, I can't thank you enough.

I tried for years on here to change the old, existing paradigm. I spent a lot of effort and energy doing it.

I wrote, this is 2023 repeatedly.

HOWEVER,

I don't feel its welcomed on this thread.
I get your message. Loud and clear.

I admit and accept that I did wrong to introduce my idea onto Andy's thread. I shouldn't have done this rude intrusion. I apologise.

Therefore, I think everyone should stop this discussion about market intent on this thread, out of respect. And I don't want to invite any form of political fights.

Hi Shabs and Dave, both of you have done very well moving forward with this market intent idea. And you are just getting started, the potential is immense now that you have launched into a new trajectory with exciting possibilities whose dimensions are not trapped inside the old paradigm. This is 2023 of potential and possibilities.

Shabs, may I humbly suggest to you that you start a new thread to discuss this specific topic, it requires a new dedicated thread. I won't start this thread. But I can assure you, I will put in the effort to help. Thank you Shabs.

As to every other aspects of discussion we carry on on Andy's thread as usual. Let there be no more mention about market intent on this thread, pls.

Thank you, ladies and gentleman.

Cheers
BWilliam

Ps Why won't I start a new thread?

I am essentially a researcher whose time and effort is dedicated in few specific areas of interest mostly dealing in prediction of future events based on the past and current. I am fully vested. Given the full plate I have in front of me, I can't find the resource to dedicate to this new thread which must compromise my other work. I hope I have explained myself. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #5,683
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:00pm Mar 6, 2023 5:00pm
Quoting bluesteele
{quote}
yet it really does not have to be so complicated...trading that is...
the biggest battle is dealing with ourselves whilst we trade and pull the trigger and exit etc...
Keep it simple... Blue

Spot on Kev,
I can use full maths as good as the next layman for sure (imho),
but the market can be less complicated as you say.

Many folk look deeper as the market plays out its tricks on us,
while the maths will show us the levels & designs,
But doesn't necessarily solve the tricks presented.
We do.
  • #5,684
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:02pm Mar 6, 2023 5:02pm
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  • #5,685
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:03pm Mar 6, 2023 5:03pm
Quoting BWilliam
Cheers BWilliam

Your sensitivity often belies what you have to offer BW.
imo, chill lol
  • #5,686
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:07pm Mar 6, 2023 5:07pm
Quoting OAPDave
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Hi Dave,

Kev and I were discussing many of the charts presented by EVERYBODY yesterday & the day before.

We concluded that about 10 TEMPLATES will
ALL show the same thing, the market mechanics

Which is why a few will say ... the market is always and can only be .... US vs US

We choose our own template in life, why not in the markets.

Each is as valid as the other.
  • #5,687
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:23pm Mar 6, 2023 5:23pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Your sensitivity often belies what you have to offer BW. imo, chill lol
Hi Pete, you fail to mention the amount of abuse I received over the years. And will continue to receive for challenging the norms, my fault. As a researcher I can't help it. I think it's best we leave it at that. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #5,688
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:33pm Mar 6, 2023 5:33pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote}
Hi Pete, you fail to mention the amount of abuse I received over the years. And will continue to receive for challenging the norms, my fault. As a researcher I can't help it. I think it's best we leave it at that. Cheers

Hi Jason,

Look you're a resonable guy for sure, like the rest of us.

If you ask my opinion (for what its worth) it is you that keeps on bringing up this abuse you say you receive.

Often (imho) it is just others with a different opinion to you is all.

YOUR opinion is as valid as any.

ALL info brought to the table may assist someone out there in reader land (lol).
We are traders first, and as you know we each have our own ways is all.

I hope I speak for many and what you also bring to the table is excellent, especially new things that folks haven;t seen or heard before (I love new stuff).

But please don't get defensive if others see the market their way also.

Kwt, dave & Ian also introduced to us a new way of observing the market with their own templates. They didn't get defensive as others tested their ideas.

I stand by this alone, there is no ONE way to trade the markets, and not one way is BEST.

Let all ideas & opinions be shared in the open imo.

Keep posting, why not ?
  • #5,689
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:36pm Mar 6, 2023 5:36pm
Quoting BWilliam
I dislike forum politics. It's a scourge to us all. I am a direct person, I don't mince my words. This idea about market intent which delve into what might potentially happen in future market based on past and current data is essentially my idea based on years of research. I introduced such notion to FF on Andy's thread. Thanks to his hospitality, he has hosted my posts. Thank you Andy, I can't thank you enough. I tried for years on here to change the old, existing paradigm. I spent a lot of effort and energy doing it. I wrote, this is 2023 repeatedly....
We all get the same abuse Jason.

I'll stand my ground where necessary and for those that I feel have the right intention.

A good mate of mine walked away after a misunderstanding, 10+ years of discussion, but that's ok, life continues on.

I'm happy for the discussion on intent to be carried on within this thread, indeed that's why the thread was setup in the first place.
A place where debate can be practiced in relative peace. Some have over stepped the mark , were given the option to think again but have moved on. That's fine.
The remaining contributors and that includes yourself have made this thread a go to on ideas and as a sounding board where even the most outlandish ideas are not stepped upon but encouraged. It can sometimes take that one thought or idea ... that completes a traders journey.

Thanks to all who make the thread such a cracking read
  • #5,690
  • Edited 5:52pm Mar 6, 2023 5:38pm | Edited 5:52pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi Dave, Kev and I were discussing many of the charts presented by EVERYBODY yesterday & the day before. We concluded that about 10 TEMPLATES will ALL show the same thing, the market mechanics Which is why a few will say ... the market is always and can only be .... US vs US We choose our own template in life, why not in the markets. Each is as valid as the other.
Hi Pete
Yes your bang on with your point of view
after all its our own money so we risk it any way we chose
Not being very bright and defiantly not computer savvy
I enjoy looking at other guys ideas but I can never bring myself to copy them in there purist form
Must admit tried it with Parisboy as I was and still his is number one fan but alas he was just over my head at times and I always struggled not having the same platform did not help either
My down fall is I just have to mix and match ideas until my eyes see it before my brain
Then I press the button and can blame no one but myself if I lose

ps
In my younger days owned trained and raced my own greyhounds it was very lucrative until more and more guys found the same edge as me
Did move onto the horses did ok ish but did not really have an edge ,got into a bit of bother with the Taxman so gave it up, to much hassle and turned my hand to this game
If I am being honest the guys in the dog and horse game were far better character's and more honest, then many in this game

PPs
Always clearly understood what they were on about to , well this game, hmmm makes me wish I had gone to school but still not sure that would have helped much
  • #5,691
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:42pm Mar 6, 2023 5:42pm
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} Hi Pete Yes your bang on with your point of view after all its our own money so we risk it any way we chose Not being very bright and defiantly not computer savvy I enjoy looking at other guys ideas but I can never bring myself to copy them in there purist form Must admit tried it with Parisboy as I was and still his is number one fan but alas he was just over my head at times and I always struggled not having the same platform did not help either My down fall is I just have to mix and match ideas until my eyes see it before my brain Then...

Hi Dave,

Thank you sir, much appreciated.

And, in the '80's I worked with a greyhound trainer (I wasn't training them, just the guy waiting there in the catching pen hahaa, you will know what I mean).

Thank you for your input also, I have saved your templates also to file to check. (Kwt's i can't find but enjoy looking into the 'future' on his too)



edit: yes, parisboy, I enjoy his work so much, a lot is over my head also but I still ponder them for sure,
one of my other templates IS parisboys envelopes as i was showing Kev the other day.
Two templates often give me time to pause when the market is stagnant at times or is not making 'current' sense
  • #5,692
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:43pm Mar 6, 2023 5:43pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi Pete, you fail to mention the amount of abuse I received over the years. And will continue to receive for challenging the norms, my fault. As a researcher I can't help it. I think it's best we leave it at that. Cheers
Intent is nothing more than the psychology of the market... As George told you.. now whether you want to call it market mechanics ...or intent or the psychology of the market..it's truly all one and the same... Levels lines targets... Intent...

It's not a new concept...there is nothing new in trading BW and you I would assume you know that... New spins ..new words.. but a chart from 50 years ago will play out much like the charts of today...if I was to take away the Info on both axis and leave just the naked chart... No one could tell if it was from yesterday or 75 yrs ago... It all plays out the same...as the markets are nothing more than a rational representation of human behaviour.

Perhaps you should open your own thread on Intent or market mechanics etc...then we can discuss your ideas etc there... Wouldn't it be great if George would join in on that !!!

I wish you all the best BW ...I really do.. but some of us see thru the bluster of your ballyhoo... and don't care to watch the drama you seem to engage in..

Cheers
Blue
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #5,693
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:46pm Mar 6, 2023 5:46pm
Quoting bluesteele
... but some of us see thru the bluster of your ballyhoo... and don't care to watch the drama you seem to engage in.. Cheers Blue
I can assure you there won't be more of me and my "ballyhoo" on this thread. My fault. Perhaps you might want to consider reciprocate to tone down your abuse. This is the line I won't cross. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #5,694
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:48pm Mar 6, 2023 5:48pm
Quoting OAPDave
{quote}
If I am being honest the guys in the dog and horse game were far better character's and more honest, then many in this game
Hahaa,

Yes my thoughts exactly Dave.

I left horse-playing (after the "chemists" started running the show in the background ) and thought Forex Trading will be straight & upfront as it is so big.

Yep, the old horse & dog guys were a tough breed, but nothing like this trading crowd
  • #5,695
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:55pm Mar 6, 2023 5:55pm
Quoting BWilliam
I dislike forum politics. It's a scourge to us all. I am a direct person, I don't mince my words. This idea about market intent which delve into what might potentially happen in future market based on past and current data is essentially my idea based on years of research. I introduced such notion to FF on Andy's thread. Thanks to his hospitality, he has hosted my posts. Thank you Andy, I can't thank you enough. I tried for years on here to change the old, existing paradigm. I spent a lot of effort and energy doing it. I wrote, this is 2023 repeatedly....
Hello BW, Jason if I may. If not just let me know.

Since I am the only one who has made a post that differs from your line of thinking I thought a reply would be in order.

Nothing I post is to disparage you or anyone else. We all have our view and I have been expressing mine.

I am going to tell you right up front, when it comes to definitions of words I can be anal about it. And this is one of those times.

Can't think of any other way to show an opposite opinion other than to just put it out there. In fact, on this one I went back to the original post that led to the intent post that led to this weekend's discussion.

By the responses to what you posted I would say you have helped some in at least a small way.

What you do is your decision.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #5,696
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:55pm Mar 6, 2023 5:55pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote}
I can assure you there won't be more of me and my "ballyhoo" on this thread. My fault. Perhaps you might want to reciprocate to tone down your abuse. Cheers

For goodness sakes lol

Well you have left valuable info behind, jason, honestly, thank you.



(while fyi maybe to explain what kev posted just before)

Kev & I & Andy and many others are good friends of good 'ol George.

Lucky I reckon George never took any ABUSE for his offerings from any group on here (you know what I mean, Jason).

And geroge never once that I remember mentioned any abuse he took in posts, stood his ground copped it on the chin as he just "firmly believed" in his own ideas

  • #5,697
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:57pm Mar 6, 2023 5:57pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote} We all get the same abuse Jason. I'll stand my ground where necessary and for those that I feel have the right intention. A good mate of mine walked away after a misunderstanding, 10+ years of discussion, but that's ok, life continues on. I'm happy for the discussion on intent to be carried on within this thread, indeed that's why the thread was setup in the first place. A place where debate can be practiced in relative peace. Some have over stepped the mark , were given the option to think again but have moved on. That's fine. The remaining...
Hi Andy, big thank you for everything. Over the years.
Somehow your open outlook attracted me to your 3 threads to express my thoughts.

I find it impossible to continue with my "nonsense" on your thread. Perhaps I should not have started in the first place. About everything else, I will pop in once in a while. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #5,698
  • Mar 6, 2023 5:57pm Mar 6, 2023 5:57pm
WooW!!

Had a fair dose of FOREX FACTORY, b4 TOKYO OPEN. Going back to the ASAHI range (oops! ASIA) in order to fulfill my own intent of.

Cheers!!
Success = Practice + Patience + Persistence
  • #5,699
  • Mar 6, 2023 6:02pm Mar 6, 2023 6:02pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hahaa, Yes my thoughts exactly Dave. I left horse-playing (after the "chemists" started running the show in the background ) and thought Forex Trading will be straight & upfront as it is so big. Yep, the old horse & dog guys were a tough breed, but nothing like this trading crowd
Haha
Chemist
Chemist my best mate was a Chemist
Bloody retired to soon
  • #5,700
  • Mar 6, 2023 6:06pm Mar 6, 2023 6:06pm
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} Haha Chemist Chemist my best mate was a Chemist Bloody retired to soon

Hahaaa, well the go fasts stuffed up all my ratings lol (as the winner rating affected all the other maths ratings of horses behind them).

The slows & the hooks though I could factor into my rating charts. In fact a sticky run by a horse was one of my prized mechanics for the next race lol
(due to a sticky run, I once got 25/1 about what I considered was a 9/4 shot and the horse ran a track record at Rosehill, Sydney )

all the best Dave

and ALL
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