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  • #1,195,621
  • Jun 9, 2021 1:52pm Jun 9, 2021 1:52pm
Quoting MrBullBear
Noobs learn from arguments, debates between experienced traders... lets keep it going bitches.
It all depends on the arguments.
  • #1,195,622
  • Jun 9, 2021 1:55pm Jun 9, 2021 1:55pm
Quoting sixconrads
{quote} It all depends on the arguments.
Ok, what do you want to argue about?
Only an idiot knows with certainty to where the market is going.
  • #1,195,623
  • Jun 9, 2021 2:14pm Jun 9, 2021 2:14pm
Quoting MrBullBear
If you cannot face the brutality of another trader, then how could you handle the brutality of the market?
It has more to do with removing distractions so you can stay focussed on what is important. Toxic people are a distraction. Toxic people should be avoided. Toxic people deserve to be ignored.
Learn from your mistakes and march on.
  • #1,195,624
  • Jun 9, 2021 2:18pm Jun 9, 2021 2:18pm
Quoting F.g
{image} Sold and pendings to sell more.....
Well I guess I'm going to be buying those off your hands...would you like to buy them back at 1.2220 or wait a few weeks and buy them at 1.23?

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  • #1,195,625
  • Jun 9, 2021 2:22pm Jun 9, 2021 2:22pm
Quoting here2there
{quote} It has more to do with removing distractions so you can stay focussed on what is important. Toxic people are a distraction. Toxic people should be avoided. Toxic people deserve to be ignored.
Big question is, who's to decide who's toxic and who is not?
Only an idiot knows with certainty to where the market is going.
  • #1,195,626
  • Jun 9, 2021 2:23pm Jun 9, 2021 2:23pm
Quoting MrBullBear
{quote} Ok, what do you want to argue about?
I don't want to argue, I want to learn. I want to be a successful trader. I'd LIKE for other experienced, successful traders to help me grow. I may be asking for too much and that's fine if someone would tell me so. But the last thing I want is to have to weed through posts about trivial arguments when all I want to do is learn how to trade. If I'm in the wrong thread that's fine too, just point me in the right direction, please.
  • #1,195,627
  • Jun 9, 2021 2:31pm Jun 9, 2021 2:31pm
Quoting MrBullBear
{quote} Big question is, who's to decide who's toxic and who is not?
It's simple. I determine who is toxic to me. You determine who is toxic to you.

If I am trying to do something positive with my life, and someone with a bad attitude comes along and tries to mess things up for me, then that is a toxic person. That is a person I don't want to be around. I want to be around positive people.

There is a saying, 'Birds of a feather flock together.'
Learn from your mistakes and march on.
  • #1,195,628
  • Jun 9, 2021 2:32pm Jun 9, 2021 2:32pm
Quoting sixconrads
{quote} I don't want to argue, I want to learn. I want to be a successful trader. I'd LIKE for other experienced, successful traders to help me grow. I may be asking for too much and that's fine if someone would tell me so. But the last thing I want is to have to weed through posts about trivial arguments when all I want to do is learn how to trade. If I'm in the wrong thread that's fine too, just point me in the right direction, please.
When I was new and consistent looser, I started to observe and relearn everything. Big part of my learning is reading arguments between experienced traders. Winner or losers doesn't matter.... you can actually learn more from losers.
Only an idiot knows with certainty to where the market is going.
  • #1,195,629
  • Jun 9, 2021 2:38pm Jun 9, 2021 2:38pm
Quoting here2there
{quote} It's simple. I determine who is toxic to me. You determine who is toxic to you. If I am trying to do something positive with my life, and someone with a bad attitude comes along and tries to mess things up for me, then that is a toxic person. That is a person I don't want to be around. I want to be around positive people. There is a saying, 'Birds of a feather flock together.'
The topic is about trading. Between two traders with opposing views, perspective and understanding.
Only an idiot knows with certainty to where the market is going.
  • #1,195,630
  • Jun 9, 2021 2:40pm Jun 9, 2021 2:40pm
Quoting MrBullBear
{quote} When I was new and consistent looser, I started to observe and relearn everything. Big part of my learning is reading arguments between experienced traders. Winner or losers doesn't matter.... you can actually learn more from losers.
Will do. I'll take your advice. Looks like I got some reading to do. Thanks.
  • #1,195,631
  • Jun 9, 2021 2:51pm Jun 9, 2021 2:51pm
Quoting sixconrads
{quote} Will do. I'll take your advice. Looks like I got some reading to do. Thanks.
Be a good observant. Reminder.....
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Only an idiot knows with certainty to where the market is going.
  • #1,195,632
  • Jun 9, 2021 2:54pm Jun 9, 2021 2:54pm
Arguments do have a usefulness if it is about something material and pertinent. When it get's into personal slander it is too far at that point. I have seen arguments go beyond and then cool off and get back on track and some useful info exchanged by the parties and everyone benefitted. It all depends on the individuals involved.

As far as trying to learn from traders here on the forum for new traders a picture is worth a thousand words. That's how to skip the garbage.

Look for traders who make calls days in advance. The spur of the moment trades are usually from experienced scalpers and I do not recommend that to anyone new to trading.
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
  • #1,195,633
  • Jun 9, 2021 3:07pm Jun 9, 2021 3:07pm
Quoting MrBullBear
{quote} The topic is about trading. Between two traders with opposing views, perspective and understanding.
The act of disagreeing is not, in itself, the problem. It's the manner in which some people disagree with one another that is problematic. Some people disagree gracefully, while others act like pricks about it. I will leave it at that.
Learn from your mistakes and march on.
  • #1,195,634
  • Jun 9, 2021 3:15pm Jun 9, 2021 3:15pm
Quoting here2there
{quote} The act of disagreeing is not, in itself, the problem. It's the manner in which some people disagree with one another that is problematic. Some people disagree gracefully, while others act like pricks about it. I will leave it at that.
May I remind you... you are exactly like that.
Only an idiot knows with certainty to where the market is going.
  • #1,195,635
  • Jun 9, 2021 3:27pm Jun 9, 2021 3:27pm
Quoting MrBullBear
{quote} Be a good observant. Reminder..... {image}
When one says everything is 'something' (the 'thing' being determined by the person who believes 'it is'), he or she is essentially making an absolute statement. Such a person does not expect others to see his or her own point of view as mere opinion, but fact. The word, 'is', betrays the thought.

That being said, opinions are subjective, and therefore, not absolute. Opinions are subject to time and space. Opinions are matters of taste. Opinions constitute relative truth. So the guy whose quote you shared, was actually violating the law of non-contradiction. In short, he was uttering self-contradictory nonsense.

My response to the quote you shared is an example of gracefully disagreeing.
Learn from your mistakes and march on.
  • #1,195,636
  • Edited 3:46pm Jun 9, 2021 3:31pm | Edited 3:46pm
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  • #1,195,637
  • Jun 9, 2021 3:31pm Jun 9, 2021 3:31pm
Quoting tonyb123
Arguments do have a usefulness if it is about something material and pertinent. When it get's into personal slander it is too far at that point. I have seen arguments go beyond and then cool off and get back on track and some useful info exchanged by the parties and everyone benefitted. It all depends on the individuals involved. As far as trying to learn from traders here on the forum for new traders a picture is worth a thousand words. That's how to skip the garbage. Look for traders who make calls days in advance. The spur of the moment trades...
As a scalper/day trader, I recommend that to newbies. But the have to straighten up their understanding first and aim for small pips with tight SL to begin. Practice till win rates start climbing to safe level. Cheers!
Only an idiot knows with certainty to where the market is going.
  • #1,195,638
  • Jun 9, 2021 3:35pm Jun 9, 2021 3:35pm
Quoting MrBullBear
{quote} May I remind you... you are exactly like that.
That is a low blow. It was unnecessary for you to say that. I did not attack you. I tried to keep it civil, and you made it personal.

I know what kind of person I am and the mistakes I have made. When I see that I am in the wrong, I am willing to own up to it and apologize. I have not seen that in you. In fact, your response to me is the type of response I would expect from a toxic personality.

One more toxic statement towards me from you will result in me adding you to my ignore list.
Learn from your mistakes and march on.
  • #1,195,639
  • Jun 9, 2021 3:35pm Jun 9, 2021 3:35pm
Quoting here2there
{quote} When one says everything is 'something' (the 'thing' being determined by the person who believes 'it is'), he or she is essentially making an absolute statement. Such a person does not expect others to see his or her own point of view as mere opinion, but fact. The word, 'is', betrays the thought. That being said, opinions are subjective, and therefore, not absolute. Opinions are subject to time and space. Opinions are matters of taste. Opinions constitute relative truth. So the guy whose quote you shared, was actually violating the law...
I am sure you misunderstood it. Check the name of the author you are correcting. Don't be smarter than Marcus Aurelius.
Only an idiot knows with certainty to where the market is going.
  • #1,195,640
  • Jun 9, 2021 3:38pm Jun 9, 2021 3:38pm
Quoting MrBullBear
{quote} As a scalper/day trader, I recommend that to newbies. But the have to straighten up their understanding first and aim for small pips with tight SL to begin. Practice till win rates start climbing to safe level. Cheers!
Yes, that would work. I would add, using a small lot size to start. I utilize all techniques incorporated into a grid.

Boys and Girls this is how you can disagree gracefully.
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
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