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  • #114,201
  • Jan 2, 2021 11:00pm Jan 2, 2021 11:00pm
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} I don't have time to also figure out yours. Don't have time? Are you sure about that, Steve? You had time to come to this thread, time to to open member's posts that is on your ignore list, time to respond to those post. Steve, you "repainted" yourself into corner with "TDI does not repaint." Here is something for you: 010001110111001001101111011101110010000001110101011100000010000001100010011010010110011100100000011000100110111101111001
@Tekkies -- wait -- I think I'm beginning to see the light. I may now understand your point of view. Since MACD and TDI use the same algebra, and since you believe they repaint, then the cause of all repainting must be algebra. Algebra is the culprit! I understand you don't know what algebra is and, so, it makes perfect sense to put the blame on something you don't understand. I mean, that's what idiots do, right? Poor @DrDick -- let's see how he bails you out of this one. Perhaps another cartoon? Cartoons are a great way to respond to an argument when words won't save you...
  • #114,202
  • Jan 3, 2021 12:22am Jan 3, 2021 12:22am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Tekkies -- MACD (2,13,7) uses similar algebra as TDI. Are you also going to claim that MACD repaints? MACD is one of the "built-in" indicators that is included with every MT4 installation. Are you claiming that MetaQuotes includes repainting indicators with MT4? @Tekkies -- I'm sure you believe you know more than MetaQuotes and the thousands of traders that have been using MT4 and MACD over the past 20 years. You don't know how to code, you can't read source code, you don't know how to fully use MT4 and you don't even know how to use Strategy...
MACD is not repainting Indicator, it adjusts itself until Candlesticks close like EMA and SMA.
MA provides the market's current direction and strength.
  • #114,203
  • Jan 3, 2021 12:33am Jan 3, 2021 12:33am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Tekkies -- though this post is a response to yours, it really is intended for other readers and to correct your misinformation regarding TDI and repainting. According to BigE's methodology we look for green-crossing-red, right? We also look to enter 1 or 2 bars after a crossing, right? If TDI repainted you couldn't do that. If TDI repainted it would be meaningless to look for crossings. If TDI repainted it would be meaningless to talk about entering N bars after a crossing. An indicator that repaints can not be used for signals. The fact...
Steve you made a statement you can not prove: "TDI does not repaint."
Now suddenly I have problems I want you to solve for me. Nice attempt by you to shift the focus from TDI onto me.
---
As to the rest of your post:
BigE know about TDI repaint. Mentioned refresh 4*times. Why? TDI repaints the some crossovers.
Post 1,812: when I press the refresh button on the chart in between the time frame, the line moves in relation to the PA during those time
Post 1,827: I don't refresh my charts while trading
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Post 28,061 <> Post 28,066 Some talk about with a nice explaining about TDI repaint.
----
It is easy to see how TDI repaint.
Don't refresh/ restart MT4 platform, markup a few TDI crossovers, green bounce red, refresh chart and pesto some difference will be noted.

Using insults to win a debate won't help, it show readers you lack substance to your posts.
Post 23
  • #114,204
  • Jan 3, 2021 12:41am Jan 3, 2021 12:41am
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} TDI does not repaint. > Repainting occurs when the code goes back in time and updates the visual markings. Even your hero has spotted the repainting. {image} Of course you have deeper understand then this https://forex-station.com/viewtopic....17dd6df1e0495b "The three official TDI indicators (non-repainting) for MT4" Now why would the author have such a title? Or even write about TDI repainting issues. I know why he forgot to consult mister know-all robots4me. One not refreshed,...
TDI is repainting indicators it is True, especially the yellow line is the father of repainting.
If you want to know the truth that is BIGE couldn't figure it out back than.
I am not blaming him. He did help as many traders as much as he can. He was a good man.
EMM knows TDI Repaint. David knows TDI Repaint. Many experienced traders know it. I know it too.
I don't like TDI For many reasons, MACD is much Better than TDI, In fact, simple RSI is better than TDI.
Green cross rad is not repainting once it crosses its cross. that is why the TDI histogram gives a more accurate TDI cross signal.

some indicators adjust themselves with candlesticks price close. we have to accept that. MACD, EMA, RSI, SMTMMS do the same.
MA provides the market's current direction and strength.
  • #114,205
  • Jan 3, 2021 12:47am Jan 3, 2021 12:47am
Quoting hasib
{quote} MACD is not repainting Indicator, it adjusts itself until Candlesticks close like EMA and SMA.
@hasib -- that is correct. That is called "recalculation" and it only occurs on Bar[0]. In MT4 Bars / Candles are indexed from 0 to N, where index '0' is the right-most bar that is still alive, and index 'N' is the left-most bar on the chart. Bar[0], the right-most bar, is still alive because its High, Low and Close are subject to change with each incoming tick. Once an interval has ended then Bar[0] becomes Bar[1] and its OHLC values are carved in stone.

With each incoming tick Bar[0]'s H, L, C values may change. This is called "recalculation". Contrary to what @Tekkies believes, it is not repainting, it is not refreshing. This is the way that MT4 represents incoming data streams of price information -- i.e. ticks. Ticks only affect Bar[0] -- i.e. the bar that is currently alive. Ticks do not affect historical data.

Indicators that repaint do NOT affect historical data -- they can't. Historical data is carved in stone. What repainting indicators may do is to change the location of visual markings that they had previously displayed. Whether or not an indicator repaints can readily be determined -- if you can read source code then that is the best way. If you can't read source code, then you can use MT4's Strategy Tester and run a simple simulation to check whether visual markings change with time. This is easy to do, which is why MetaQuotes includes Strategy Tester. As for why someone who has been trading for over 5 years -- or, at least claims to have been trading, still doesn't know how to use this simple tool absolutely floors me. It takes about 1 minute to learn and about 30 seconds to run. After 5 years @Tekkies absolutely refuses to learn how to use it. Actually -- that's not true. It's not that she refuses to use it but, rather, is too stupid. People who talk about repainting but don't know how to use Strategy Tester derive from the same gene pool as @Tekkies. It's okay if you don't want to learn how to use Strategy Tester -- it's not required for trading. But if you don't know what repainting is or can't even run a simple test, then you shouldn't be flapping your lips pretending you know what you are talking about. At that point you are simply adding to the pollution.

Just to be clear -- I am not advocating the use of Strategy Tester for backtesting strategies -- it's not that accurate or reliable. However, it does have some utility, including testing indicators to determine whether or not they repaint.
  • #114,206
  • Jan 3, 2021 1:02am Jan 3, 2021 1:02am
Quoting hasib
{quote} MACD is not repainting Indicator, it adjusts itself until Candlesticks close like EMA and SMA.
The best part Hasib, nowhere did Tekkies posted that MACD repaint.
----
Rest of your post.
"If you want to know the truth that is BIGE couldn't figure it out back than."
How do you know that BigE could not figure it out?
Do you have any post by BigE to indicate he had a problem to figure out?
Also BigE did not use the yellow line, he used only TDI red/green.
> BigE solved the problem by not refreshing the chart while trading.

"EMM knows TDI Repaint. David knows TDI Repaint. Many experienced traders know it. I know it too."
robots4me does not know that.

"I don't like TDI For many reasons, MACD is much Better than TDI, In fact, simple RSI is better than TDI."
You like RSI?
https://nononsenseforex.com/indicators/tdi-indicator/

So why are you posting in this thread Hasib?
Post 1:
The key to this method is the Traders Dynamic Index indicator for entries and exits. I also use a Stochastics (8,3,3) indicator. It is ONLY used to confirm direction. Nothing else.
  • #114,207
  • Jan 3, 2021 1:06am Jan 3, 2021 1:06am
Quoting hasib
{quote} TDI is repainting indicators it is True, especially the yellow line is the father of repainting. If you want to know the truth that is BIGE couldn't figure it out back than. I am not blaming him. He did help as many traders as much as he can. He was a good man. EMM knows TDI Repaint. David knows TDI Repaint. Many experienced traders know it. I know it too. I don't like TDI For many reasons, MACD is much Better than TDI, In fact, simple RSI is better than TDI. Green cross rad is not repainting once it crosses its cross. that is why the TDI...
there is one more person who knows the original version TDI repaints.

the creator of the Traders_Dynamic_Index himself ... Dean Malone.
The question back then was asked - was it intended to be that way that the TDI paints the green line only after the price bar closed?
If it was intended to be that way, then why did he released a newer version of the Traders_Dynamic_Index in 2006/2007 which updates the lines based on every new price tick?

Big E knew the repainting issue, it was not a problem to him and but he kept to using the original version which is the version in Post#25. He mentioned this in his posts about when he would refresh his charts and when he would not refresh his charts. He looked at the price action first and the TDI was his confirmation of the price action for the trade setup.
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #114,208
  • Jan 3, 2021 1:26am Jan 3, 2021 1:26am
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} The best part Hasib, nowhere did Tekkies posted that MACD repaint. ---- Rest of your post. "If you want to know the truth that is BIGE couldn't figure it out back than." How do you know that BigE could not figure it out? Do you have any post by BigE to indicate he had a problem to figure out? Also BigE did not use the yellow line, he used only TDI red/green. > BigE solved the problem by not refreshing the chart while trading. "EMM knows TDI Repaint. David knows TDI Repaint. Many experienced traders know it. I know it too." robots4me...

So why are you posting in this thread Hasib?

the same question we all can ask Tekkies:
Why is he posting in this thread when he does not follow the OP trading rules and the chart template as in Post#261?
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #114,209
  • Jan 3, 2021 1:33am Jan 3, 2021 1:33am
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} The best part Hasib, nowhere did Tekkies posted that MACD repaint. ---- Rest of your post. "If you want to know the truth that is BIGE couldn't figure it out back than." How do you know that BigE could not figure it out? Do you have any post by BigE to indicate he had a problem to figure out? Also BigE did not use the yellow line, he used only TDI red/green. > BigE solved the problem by not refreshing the chart while trading. "EMM knows TDI Repaint. David knows TDI Repaint. Many experienced traders know it. I know it too." robots4me...

@Tekkies

Are you serious teaching this?

The key to this method is the Traders Dynamic Index indicator for entries and exits. I also use a Stochastics (8,3,3) indicator. It is ONLY used to confirm direction. Nothing else.

How many more people will lose money listening to you and your mental blindness quoting the OP post above.

You should continue reading all the posts Post#1 up to Post#12,912. You will learn that the OP himself did not use the TDI for exits.

Now study these Big E post and charts,


Big E trading M15 examples
#8601
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...10#post4800310
#7025
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...34#post4750234
#954
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...50#post4585950
#956
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...85#post4585985
#746
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...30#post4582930
#731
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...39#post4582839
#701
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...53#post4582253
if you want more examples,
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...95#post4576995

#4318 (old thread)
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...83#post4556583
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #114,210
  • Jan 3, 2021 1:38am Jan 3, 2021 1:38am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @hasib -- that is correct. That is called "recalculation" and it only occurs on Bar[0]. In MT4 Bars / Candles are indexed from 0 to N, where index '0' is the right-most bar that is still alive, and index 'N' is the left-most bar on the chart. Bar[0], the right-most bar, is still alive because its High, Low and Close are subject to change with each incoming tick. Once an interval has ended then Bar[0] becomes Bar[1] and its OHLC values are carved in stone. With each incoming tick Bar[0]'s H, L, C values may change. This is called "recalculation"....
Posting assumption Steve?
Here are some of many back testing: Post 108,796, Post 102,089, Post 101,036

The more you post the more you show readers how little do you know.
(Don't try to walk on water Steve, you will sink.)
  • #114,211
  • Jan 3, 2021 1:43am Jan 3, 2021 1:43am
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} Steve you made a statement you can not prove: "TDI does not repaint." Now suddenly I have problems I want you to solve for me. Nice attempt by you to shift the focus from TDI onto me. --- As to the rest of your post: BigE know about TDI repaint. Mentioned refresh 4*times. Why? TDI repaints the some crossovers. Post 1,812: when I press the refresh button on the chart in between the time frame, the line moves in relation to the PA during those time Post...
@Tekkies

You have been teaching people in this thread since 2016.

You still have no clue what these posts # below mean and you make reference. You have no clue what the members were discussing then. It is not matter how many times Big E used that word "refresh". He knew the TDI#25 updates the green line when the price bar closed. He also knew that the TDI#25 repaints the lines in the price history.

It is time to admit that you were wrong in your Post #73,461 and you misunderstood the meaning of the terms real-time updating/painting and the repainting of history chart. Just admit your naive mistake and all will be fine and move on.

BigE know about TDI repaint. Mentioned refresh 4*times. Why? TDI repaints the some crossovers.
Post 1,812: when I press the refresh button on the chart in between the time frame, the line moves in relation to the PA during those time
Post 1,827: I don't refresh my charts while trading
----
Post 28,061 <> Post 28,066 Some talk about with a nice explaining about TDI repaint.

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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #114,212
  • Jan 3, 2021 1:51am Jan 3, 2021 1:51am
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} Posting assumption Steve? Here are some of many back testing: Post 108,796, Post 102,089, Post 101,036 The more you post the more you show readers how little do you know. (Don't try to walk on water Steve, you will sink.)

@Tekkies

those are your posts and they confirm that you do not understand the correct meaning of repainting indicators.

next week, we shall look at real time chart screen capture and we will all learn what the TDIs will do in real time market.

stay tuned!

Here below are all the four version of the TDIs on the same chart. The status is market closed on Dec 31 and the chart has been refreshed now.

We shall learn together next week.

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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #114,213
  • Jan 3, 2021 2:15am Jan 3, 2021 2:15am
Astounding. Years gone by, and the discussion rages on about whether the TDI repaints, again. A quick question, does it matter? The TDI is a derivative of the RSI if I recall correctly. How many here truly know the formulas that you rage over? Does it improve your bottom line? Have you developed a large enough account to be independent? Does price action matter? How about risk vs. reward? Stops? Self awareness through stats like the Kelly Criterion?

Let's say that a trader is so bad that they take every signal regardless of trend. Would that trader throw good money after bad? Would they cut losers and run the winners? Are their profit targets derived from their entry charts, or do they set profit targets on the next higher TF or two to try and max out risk and reward? So many more things to discuss rather than if a lagging indicator repaints. Not to say anyone here is dumb, of course you are all master traders. I just noticed that a lot talk goes on not about how to win, but about signals. For some of you it has been several years. Small traders can compound much faster than institutions. I do hope it is all working out for you.

All the best
Jim
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #114,214
  • Jan 3, 2021 2:19am Jan 3, 2021 2:19am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} @Tekkies Are you serious teaching this? The key to this method is the Traders Dynamic Index indicator for entries and exits. I also use a Stochastics (8,3,3) indicator. It is ONLY used to confirm direction. Nothing else. How many more people will lose money listening to you and your mental blindness quoting the OP post above. You should continue reading all the posts Post#1 up to Post#12,912. You will learn that the OP himself did not use the TDI for exits. Now study these Big E post and charts, Big E trading M15 examples #8601 https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...10#post4800310...
"You will learn that the OP himself did not use the TDI for exits. "
Oh really?
#6..... Exit your trade when the green TDI line goes flat, starts to hook over or makes a check mark reversal.
#119... On this method the TDI is King. All trades are signaled by it as well as exits...
#123 Exits... Looking at your TDI... if you see:
#133 .... Check mark EXITS on the TDI. From these 3 charts you can see what to look for on EXITS via the TDI... very simple again.
#128.... TDI Roll Over or hooking over Exit Signals:
#285 ..... Simple rules, easy TDI entries and exits...
#330..... Give it a shot buddy... follow the rules, enter/exits on TDI...
#746.... same as the other except it's TDI Exits only...
#1667... and exits on the TDI...
#4005..... the TDI to determine exits.
#4107.... I would have exited both of those trades when I saw the TDI go flat, hook over or check mark reversal... easy to determine exits on any chart.

Look like you missed the bus with your links, Emmanuel
Post 7,025 has no TDI exit.
Post 4,318 has no TDI exit.
Post 336 has no TDI exit.
Post 701 next candle is at the bottom of the TDI check mark with another candle pullback... time to exit
Post 731 some general talk about TDI
Post 746 already mentioned above
Post 956 has no TDI exit.
Post 954 has no TDI exit.

Maybe you should restudy what BigE has posted in this thread, Emmanuel.
What is your favorite quote?
"Your lack of reading skills is incomprehensive"
  • #114,215
  • Jan 3, 2021 2:23am Jan 3, 2021 2:23am
Quoting jmn5611
How about risk vs. reward? Stops?
R:R 5:1 & 10:1
Stops below&above latest rejection
  • #114,216
  • Jan 3, 2021 2:29am Jan 3, 2021 2:29am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} @Tekkies those are your posts and they confirm that you do not understand the correct meaning of repainting indicators. next week, we shall look at real time chart screen capture and we will all learn what the TDIs will do in real time market. stay tuned! Here below are all the four version of the TDIs on the same chart. The status is market closed on Dec 31 and the chart has been refreshed now. We shall learn together next week. {image}
Don't forget to link a live running TE for public viewing to the "real time chart screen capture".
  • #114,217
  • Jan 3, 2021 2:33am Jan 3, 2021 2:33am
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} Don't forget to link a live running TE for public viewing to the "real time chart screen capture".
IT'S

NOT

GOING TO

HAPPEN!
  • #114,218
  • Jan 3, 2021 2:40am Jan 3, 2021 2:40am
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} Don't forget to link a live running TE for public viewing to the "real time chart screen capture".

Very good. Now again you act rash and reckless like the last time.

And you missed the deadline Dec 31 2020.

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...5#post13324805

Quoting tommydoginti
I wonder why no one here open a trade explorer to prove they are better than other or prove them wrong. Numbers tell the truth, arguement is pointless Many are trying to learn something from here, not watch strangers fight.
I did in 2018.

But Tekkies chickened out and remove his TE after 3 months.

Goto this thread:Verbal diarrhea matches trading skills?

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...trading-skills

I posted my TE there and in accordance with the OP rules:

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...0#post11834080
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #114,219
  • Jan 3, 2021 2:40am Jan 3, 2021 2:40am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} @Tekkies You have been teaching people in this thread since 2016. You still have no clue what these posts # below mean and you make reference. You have no clue what the members were discussing then. It is not matter how many times Big E used that word "refresh". He knew the TDI#25 updates the green line when the price bar closed. He also knew that the TDI#25 repaints the lines in the price history. It is time to admit that you were wrong in your Post #73,461 and you misunderstood the meaning of the terms real-time updating/painting and the...
Have you explained to the readers why you don't know what the TDI setting is to write that garbage?
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  • #114,220
  • Jan 3, 2021 2:42am Jan 3, 2021 2:42am
Quoting PixelSniper
{quote} IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
Can only try Sniper.
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