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Quoting chandana47
{quote} which set is that?
Quoting blamshakk
that's not the setting he was asking about, he was asking about your screenshot in post in 19,682, which doesn't have any notes blam {quote}
Sorry, it's the same as post 19854, only the start time is different, viz. 07:00 vs. 09:00.
And the results for today, 09:00 and 12:00. Same setting.
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Quoting chandana47
EA v88 has a serious bug do not use it. I'm saying that because v93 was profited with same settings and v88 was loss. Try v93 on demo you will realise. I can recommend v93. Take it seriously!
In my experience, xm7's ea's are definitely broker dependent. The same version ea, will produce different results with one broker/account type and the other. The posted charts are of Traders-Trust's pro account. So when you evaluate various versions of xm7 ea, DO compare them with the same broker/account type, not with different ones.
RS
Quoting Ilvez
Its in the top of EA settings: {image} {quote}
but mrdfx's time was 9.15 isn't it?
Swimming with sharks!
Quoting RisingSun
{quote} In my experience, xm7's ea's are definitely broker dependent. The same version ea, will produce different results with one broker/account type and the other. The posted charts are of Traders-Trust's pro account. So when you evaluate various versions of xm7 ea, DO compare them with the same broker/account type, not with different ones. RS
it is same broker ic market
Swimming with sharks!
Quoting chandana47
{quote} but mrdfx's time was 9.15 isn't it?
Yes, I think I advanced by 1 hour to match the summer-winter time shift.
Hi xmess7,
I don't use vb. when i use EA v93 then v93 does not open correctly the time i set. I do not know why?
Currently I am using EA v77. Everything is OK but the pip counter is slow and when I manually close the EA, it takes a while for the EA to close.
Hi guys
Is there any way to EXCLUDE Pairs on V93 ?
or in CSM ?
Jess is busy with a lot of other stuff but he will look into reported bugs.

I have contacted him directly on the v93 Virtual Basket issues. v93 Virtual Basket is extremely unstable compared to v88, which has not produced single error during 3 months. v88 has other issues like adding too much deals into basket and not cheking the spread but I will rather take that risk.

Quoting dchongpro
Hi xmess7, I don't use vb. when i use EA v93 then v93 does not open correctly the time i set. I do not know why? Currently I am using EA v77. Everything is OK but the pip counter is slow and when I manually close the EA, it takes a while for the EA to close.
I wish there were many more days like today when manually managed live basket collected +100pips in 20 minutes

Its been very rocky journey for live account during October but as I skip trading tomorrow then monthly return is +7%. Need to keep discipline and be careful out there.

Tomorrow will post demo Default Daily monthly statistics for October as well. Hope to compare it with some of you guys as well.

Cheers,
I
European, London & New York Sessions
TradeMonitor v80
100 Pip Daily Target Met (280.3)
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Hi,

Picked up this old topic of VB and triggers.

What I have observed over last 3 months in forward testing is that Virtual Basket many times fails to open real basket, only because there are 1 or 2 bad apples among 8 trade suggestions. Or - when it opens real-basket of positive trades, these positive trades have already ran out of steam as they are compensating for the pairs in loss and the RB starts to float around, or in worse conditions ends up fighting with short retracements.

Basically I am throwing up in the air idea to complement VB trigger logic - to add option to EA that global VB upper trigger is calculated ONLY as a gross total from the POSITIVE trade contributions inside the VB - in this case it eliminates the pairs in loss.

Benefit - real basket is opened quickly and hopefully with better momentum. Probably basket upper trigger needs to be recalibrated higher than 20pips.

Jess, are you with us?

Quoting xmess7
{quote} Bro, that is already coded in 37.8(not yet realized of course) but first things first... currently resolving some total basket stuff. The next release will not happen until the EA is fully functioning with the new trading features. It will also include the virtual individual trade detection you guys mentioned. Due to the range hour upgrades the logic to do just that wil be in place.
Quoting Ilvez
Hi Grandaevus, Been testing out 23.xx Daily indicators during October. Can you comment on some of the topics: 1) Does the trade level 2 still applies to 23.xx in comparable way as for 17.xx indicators? Using the default settings (EMA+Weighted Price) 23.xx gives consistently less trade suggestions than 17.xx. I tried to experiment with the 1.7-1.8 levels with 23.xx versions but I did not feel too secure whether this is the right threshold. 2) 23.xx seems to be very sensitive to MA type: when I experimented with Daily indicator and LWMA showed consistently...
Yes. The idea behind Trade Level has never changed. Trade Level is used to filter weaker trade suggestions. Currency strength levels can't be identical between ver 17.xx & ver 23.xx since they use different methods to calculate currency strength levels. This is why you see less trade suggestions. if strength levels are not identical, then using the same trade level will give different and/or less/more trade suggestions.
Many thanks! So this is actually my question - what is reasonable trade level for 23.xx Daily indicator? Level 2 is way too high because it has produced very few trade suggestions during October, while CMSM 17.xx is more generous. My trade opening timeframe is usually 1-2 hours around London Open. I have experimented with level 1.5 and even got down to 1 in some occasions with 23.xx but unless I understand the strength level dynamics of 23.xx vs 17.xx, it is very difficult to get to comfortable trade level setting. When reducing trade level for 23.xx it actually produces similar trade suggestions with 17.xx (EMA+Weighted) but it is very difficult to find out what is good trade level for 23.xx.

Also, I am not 100% comfortable with 23.xx because it produced strange trade suggestions against the last days trend when used with LWMA. BTW, trend did not change within a day for these currencies.

Have you done some calibration of 23.xx suggested currency strength value levels and what would be reasonably safe Trade Level for Daily timeframe?

Best wishes,
I

Quoting grandaevus
{quote} Yes. The idea behind Trade Level has never changed. Trade Level is used to filter weaker trade suggestions. Currency strength levels can't be identical between ver 17.xx & ver 23.xx since they use different methods to calculate currency strength levels. This is why you see less trade suggestions. if strength levels are not identical, then using the same trade level will give different and/or less/more trade suggestions.
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One more question about "core logic" foor 23.xx indicator. How many and what specific timeframes 23.xx considers for trade suggestions? Is it really so, that for Daily suggestions indicator compares at default Trade Depth of 3 only H4, H1 and M30 datapoints for running timeseries for 3MA and 5 MA calculations? Meaning that for the Daily 3 MA values the 23.xx indicator looks back at current 18xH4, 72xH1 and 144xM30 timeframe datapoints? And it disregards any longer period datapoints as opposed to the 17.XX indicator?

Quoting grandaevus
CMSM V23.05 for Mt4 & Mt5 Successor of ma based CMSM ver 17.xx. Changelog: Updated core logic. Reduced memory usage. {image} {file}{file}
Monday weekly basket VB did not trigger so no trade this week.

The demo test of v23.06 hit SL.
Truth is like poetry. And most people f*cking hate poetry.
Good to see some trade updates! 23.06 is different animal and very sensitive to MA type as I discovered and also trade level needs calibration as 23.xx is less volatile in trade strenghts than 17.xx.

1) By the way - how was the October for your default daily basket? I am really curious because it was a bloodbath for mine, ending -30% in October.

2) Also, could you comment on some fundamental VB logic for default daily basket? As it goes, the Daily Basket does not update VB after the VB is triggered. To me it seems very strange, because during VB operation trade suggestions can change quite a lot and in many cases it has opened RB without original trade suggestions because it just ignores them as it should by chosen setting. Like today - as you can see only 2 pairs in RB are the ones which still have trade suggestions open. Screenshot taken just few minutes after RB opening. Lets skip the "consistency in 10 month forward testing etc." argument because all what we have seen over last months is that the results of the default DB are wildly different between brokers and users. I am using in my live account the setting which updates the VB all the time and it has proven to be over last 2 months much safer and profitable option. Why should we not trust the indicator settings during VB operation and only use snapshot of trade suggestions what is done by default DB?

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Quoting mrdfx
Monday weekly basket VB did not trigger so no trade this week. The demo test of v23.06 hit SL.
Quoting Ilvez
Good to see some trade updates! 23.06 is different animal and very sensitive to MA type as I discovered and also trade level needs calibration as 23.xx is less volatile in trade strenghts than 17.xx. 1) By the way - how was the October for your default daily basket? I am really curious because it was a bloodbath for mine, ending -30% in October. 2) Also, could you comment on some fundamental VB logic for default daily basket? As it goes, the Daily Basket does not update VB after the VB is triggered. To me it seems very strange, because during VB...
My live daily basket closed Oct with around -7%, the 2nd losing month of the year.

A while back the option of updating the VB as suggestions from the indicator changed was covered, and as there were many opinions of it Jess added the option to use it or not. I prefer to use the pairs in the VB as that is whats worked for me, and if you prefer the other way and it works for you that's fine. This is the great thing with the EA, there are many variations that can be tried and tested.
Truth is like poetry. And most people f*cking hate poetry.
Thanks, I agree that there are many variations at play and different combinations actually can work...or can't.

Todays Default Daily hit profit just now, main work was done with 2 pairs which indicator suggested. Other 2 which disappeared from trade suggestions fortunately did not do much damage during the day.

One troublesome issue raised its head - EA v88 was very slow to respond to close basket which had hit the TP target already 10 minutes ago. Initially I thought the EA was freezed but eventually it decided to take profit out at 2.95%. Which is fine but makes me slightly uneasy if the profit would have dropped below TP target during this time.

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I hope Jess will find some time to look over the reported issues with v93. I can't make switch now because v93 is not handling the VB right way.

Do you happen to know why was the idea of having option in EA to measure only positive trade contributions to VB upper trigger was not implemented? Its very frustrating to watch VB struggle because 2-3 pairs out of 6-8 stop the RB from triggering. And when the RB is opened, a lot of good momentum is lost.

Take care,
I

Quoting mrdfx
{quote} My live daily basket closed Oct with around -7%, the 2nd losing month of the year. A while back the option of updating the VB as suggestions from the indicator changed was covered, and as there were many opinions of it Jess added the option to use it or not. I prefer to use the pairs in the VB as that is whats worked for me, and if you prefer the other way and it works for you that's fine. This is the great thing with the EA, there are many variations that can be tried and tested.
Attention! I am telling you once again that something is wrong with the EA v93 and how it handles Virtual Baskets.

Check the screenshot: I have set EA to continue to update VB and I have set EA to add new trade suggestions to RB. As you can see, it has not added AF, NJ and NU pairs to RB, even though they meet the VB triggers and pip threshold of 3 pips.

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I have outlined the v93 issues to Jess multiple times and hopefully he will be able to check what is wrong there.

Also, I have asked Jess to add option for VB to calculate upper trigger based only on the positive pairs - this should help to pick only the winners to RB more quickly and avoid few pairs dragging the VB down.

So if you feel that v93 is a perfect weapon for you, go ahead. I am sticking to v88 (and its bug of adding too much pairs into RB sometimes).

Cheers,
I
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