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  • #108,861
  • Sep 19, 2020 6:57pm Sep 19, 2020 6:57pm
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} blah blah blah That - 1 and counting from history start till the current moment shift Bar[1] back to Bar[0] That will mess with any EA's brain. (I stand to be corrected.)
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That will mess with any EA's brain.
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NO!
That {bar count limit(-1)} logic does not mess with the expert advisor's programmer' brain if that programmer is also an experiences seasoned trader.

Expert Advisor EA trading robots do not have nay brain of its own. Big E knew that early and he provided us his reason why EA trading robots do not work with his Trading Made Simple 5-Method.

There is no problem with the TDI#25. You just trade with it in real-time live market the way the OP Bid E did and his post #356is an very good example.
So stop the crap and start posting real-time live trades when the market opens.

I would love to see how many of you can place an active trade entry in HA Candle#1 using the TDI#25 and is profitable. Post your live chart and Prove me wrong, please.
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  • #108,862
  • Sep 19, 2020 7:04pm Sep 19, 2020 7:04pm
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} I think it is worth while to respond to Tekkies' post #108,755 and expose him again how he hijacked the OP' post #356 post and chart to mislead people to his "professional" hindsight trading the green crossed red in price history chart. That post #356 was posted on Apr 28, 2011 and is a Daily chart ... its was a real-time live chart and the candle still active. It was a day after a major economic event and New York closed at 5PM EST. A pic is worth a thousand words:...
Seeing that you like to be toxic, Emmanuel.

Explain to members that you have not "hijacked" these posts to suit your agenda with this thread.
Post 108,752

You have created a very unpleasant environment to read and post in this thread.
  • #108,863
  • Sep 19, 2020 7:06pm Sep 19, 2020 7:06pm
Quoting Nat.Fx
{quote} I understand Robot, Its just that sometimes whenever i wait for TDI cross and stochs direction, i miss market momentum and i see myself in 30 pips loss. That's why i use Big E's other method. That suites me better

From what I read you have been posting so far, you already have that COWABUNGA concept thinking in you. You need to sharpen your trading skills with near-perfect trade entry timing and the rest depends on other factors which you have no control over. You have no control over the brokers re-quotes, widen spread, server throttling execution, etc. etc. etc.
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  • #108,864
  • Sep 19, 2020 7:11pm Sep 19, 2020 7:11pm
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} ------------------------------ That will mess with any EA's brain. ----------------------------- NO! That {bar count limit(-1)} logic does not mess with the expert advisor's programmer' brain if that programmer is also an experiences seasoned trader. Expert Advisor EA trading robots do not have nay brain of its own. Big E knew that early and he provided us his reason why EA trading robots do not work with his Trading Made Simple 5-Method. There is no problem with the TDI#25. You just trade with it in real-time live market the way the OP...
Seeing that you like to be toxic, Emmanuel.
Explain to reader's why you contradict your own post's:

"There is no problem with the TDI#25. You just trade with it in real-time live market the way the OP Bid E did and his post #356is an very good example."
vs
"the TDI is not in the winning edge equation"
  • #108,865
  • Sep 19, 2020 7:32pm Sep 19, 2020 7:32pm
What a waste of time.
Apology for contributing to a toxic environment.
The ignore button failed to work.
  • #108,866
  • Sep 19, 2020 7:36pm Sep 19, 2020 7:36pm
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} Seeing that you like to be toxic, Emmanuel. Explain to reader's why you contradict your own post's: "There is no problem with the TDI#25. You just trade with it in real-time live market the way the OP Bid E did and his post #356is an very good example." vs "the TDI is not in the winning edge equation"

@Tekkies

There is no contradiction. You are doing your usual selective reading using only certain words, part of a sentence, part of a paragraph, etc.

But why are you reading and replying my post when I am in your ignore list?

Do you fear being corrected every time you post crap?

What I said in one post:
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  • #108,867
  • Sep 19, 2020 7:37pm Sep 19, 2020 7:37pm
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} From what I read you have been posting so far, you already have that COWABUNGA concept thinking in you. You need to sharpen your trading skills with near-perfect trade entry timing and the rest depends on other factors which you have no control over. You have no control over the brokers re-quotes, widen spread, server throttling execution, etc. etc. etc.
My entries aren't late. I don't mean "missing momentum" by missing entry on candle close or open. I mean missing momentum by getting into drawdowns (exhausted momentum) and get SL taken out
  • #108,868
  • Sep 19, 2020 7:39pm Sep 19, 2020 7:39pm
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} Keep it short and sweet. Recalculating occurs at Bar[0]. Repainting occurs after Bar[0] has become Bar[1] or Bar[xxxx]. > ZigZag indie is a good example ........... ---------------- "With regards to EAs and backtesting -- you absolutely can use TDI. To minimize the phenomenon of recalculation that occurs at Bar[0], most EAs rely on Bar[1] for their signal -- and this holds for TDI, as well." Don't think so Robots4me. Check post#25 TDI IndicatorCounted() limit = Bars-countedbars-1; for(i=limit; i>=0; i--) (for RSI) for(i=limit-1;i>=0;i--)...
@Tekkies -- stand to be corrected...

That '-1' affects how the 'limit' is computed. In mql4 the bar data is zero-indexed. For example, if there are 100 bars they are index Bar[0] through Bar[99]. There is no Bar[100]. If the code were to attempt to access Bar[100] there would be an 'out of range' error.

So, in the statement 'limit = Bars-countedbars-1' the purpose of the '-1' is to convert from a 'count' (e.g. 100) to an index (e.g. 99). This way, when the subsequent 'for' loop iterates it begins at the highest index (i.e. 99) and decrements to the lowest index (i.e. 0).

This is also why it does not repaint. It's not that it repaints sometimes or at crosses or whatever -- it never repaints. Because the 'for' decrements from oldest (index 99) to newest (0) bars, then the most recent bar data can't be used to affect older bar data. If the 'for' loop had iterated in the other direction, then new data could be used to affect old data.
  • #108,869
  • Sep 19, 2020 7:43pm Sep 19, 2020 7:43pm
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} Keep it short and sweet. Recalculating occurs at Bar[0]. Repainting occurs after Bar[0] has become Bar[1] or Bar[xxxx]. > ZigZag indie is a good example ........... ---------------- "With regards to EAs and backtesting -- you absolutely can use TDI. To minimize the phenomenon of recalculation that occurs at Bar[0], most EAs rely on Bar[1] for their signal -- and this holds for TDI, as well." Don't think so Robots4me. Check post#25 TDI IndicatorCounted() limit = Bars-countedbars-1; for(i=limit; i>=0; i--) (for RSI) for(i=limit-1;i>=0;i--)...

@Tekkies

so we are back to your post #73,461 again after 4 long years,

do you confirmed now to have learned and now fully understand the difference terms used - 1) recalculating and 2) re-painting 3) non-repainting, .....

was there a mistake made in your post #73,461 ? you can decide now and make a new post to correct that mistake.
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  • #108,870
  • Sep 19, 2020 7:48pm Sep 19, 2020 7:48pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Tekkies -- stand to be corrected... That '-1' affects how the 'limit' is computed. In mql4 the bar data is zero-indexed. For example, if there are 100 bars they are index Bar[0] through Bar[99]. There is no Bar[100]. If the code were to attempt to access Bar[100] there would be an 'out of range' error. So, in the statement 'limit = Bars-countedbars-1' the purpose of the '-1' is to convert from a 'count' (e.g. 100) to an index (e.g. 99). This way, when the subsequent 'for' loop iterates it begins at the highest index (i.e. 99) and decrements...

clearly explained!

Next week, I will be posting screenshots of charts to compare two TDI versions - the TDI version in Post #25 and the TDI Realtime version.

I have posted many times before and I will do it again next week.
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #108,871
  • Sep 19, 2020 7:53pm Sep 19, 2020 7:53pm
Quoting DrDave
{quote} Actually, ALGORITHMICALLY, some indicators DO repaint! That is, after bars have already CLOSED, an indicator changes value for some of the closed bars. For example, TMA.
@DrDave -- you are absolutely correct. Some indicators DO repaint. And if they repaint it's because that was how they were coded. Sometimes it's intentional and sometimes it's not. Sometimes an indicator can be re-coded to minimize repainting, sometimes not (because it would change the algorithm).

Furthermore, not all repainting is the same. Some indicators repaint all the time and can have a dramatic affect on the markings that are displayed on the chart. Other times, the repainting is more subtle and only noticable around times of extreme prices.

And just to be clear -- repainting isn't necessarily bad. Now that statement will raise the hair on some people's back. But it's true. It depends on how the indicator is used. If you intend to use an indicator for real-time trading then a repainting indicator is not a good idea. But people use indicators for other reasons -- e.g. to look for patterns or to confirm or validate other indicators. As an example -- ZigZag is a known repainter. But many developers will overlay the ZigZag on top of their new (non-repainting) indicator to see how they compare. If the new indicator sort of goes along with ZigZag then that means the new indicator is doing a good job. In other words -- ZigZag is used as a kind of "gold standard" -- it can never be reached but other indicators can be compared to it.

Another use for repainting indicators -- e.g. ZigZag -- is when an indicator or EA implements a "look-back" mechanism. In this case the EA knows that ZigZag repaints and doesn't rely on its current signal. Instead, it will look back N bars (where ZigZag is now stationary) and use that as a clue to confirm whether the signal generated by the EA is valid or not.

I know this is too much for most -- but my point is that not everything is as it appears on the surface. It is possible to think more deeply...
  • #108,872
  • Sep 19, 2020 8:04pm Sep 19, 2020 8:04pm
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} Seeing that you like to be toxic, Emmanuel. Explain to members that you have not "hijacked" these posts to suit your agenda with this thread. Post 108,752 You have created a very unpleasant environment to read and post in this thread.
@Tekkies

No. I did not create "a very unpleasant environment to read and post in this thread".

You tried to hijack this thread from the very beginning in 2016 to teach people about the Traders_Dynamic_Index and you were incompetent doing so and you failed. The OP already taught us the TDI is his old thread and he used the TDI as his 'helping indicator' {puzzle #202})when he we trading with the Stochastics. From his old thread where he started hi 5-Method, he moved to Trading Systems forum because of too little traffic in the Commercial Content forum.

Read and study my post Post 108,752 and that OP's post #356,
learn to visualize the PA, HA candles, the 5EMA, etc. first without looking at the Stoch and the TDI. This is what my post Post 108,752 was about. If you consider this as 'hijacking' then your have shown your #463#Limitations yet again.

Here is my Post 108,752 chart again, do it top down - #1572
"Quick glance at PA then the TDI... Exception: If it's 6am I just close all 4hr trades and go to 1hr charts...."

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  • #108,873
  • Sep 19, 2020 8:15pm Sep 19, 2020 8:15pm
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} Seeing that you like to be toxic, Emmanuel. Explain to members that you have not "hijacked" these posts to suit your agenda with this thread. Post 108,752 You have created a very unpleasant environment to read and post in this thread.
Seeing that you did not learn PA taught by the OP,

here is the same chart #356 ZOOM in to PA is HA candles ....

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Now, you will learn why the OP said you can trade without the TDI #3418 and #2617, and you don't need 15 seconds to strip anything, you just need to focus your eyes on price chart ... top down approach.


#3418
You can trade the 5 method without the TDI if it's a problem...

PA is HA Candles, PA crosses the yellow line and closes... enter on the next candle if it's the same color. When candles flatten out... exit. Stay in the trade as long as it doesn't cross back over the yellow line and close.

The TDI just gives me a lot more information for making my entries & exits decisions.


May 16, 2011
#2617
2scoops asked me a long time ago what would be the most beneficial to learning this method for higher success... The answer was simple... study old charts for set ups... now strip down everything on that chart at that point... trends, angles, S/R levels, News times, Stoch angle within the 20-80 lines..etc. Burn it into your memory... I spent 2 years doing that.... so what does that mean?

It takes me 15 seconds to strip a chart down to nothing including the TDI & Stoch's. Taking clean trades is a breeze for me... why?
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #108,874
  • Sep 19, 2020 8:23pm Sep 19, 2020 8:23pm
Quoting foxali300
{quote} hello emmanuel yes i think was it is not good deal for sell.. because green line for tdi crossover red line late with 3 candl than i think wait maybe give good deal for buy ?

Hello foxali300,

you must train your 2 eyes to see details of what the OP charts show... when you keep doing this 3 to 5 hours every day and for 2 to 3 years, you would graduate with thousand of hours, and you will earned the 'license' right to have your own practice like every doctors, lawyers, dentists, etc.

now, zoom into that chart again and since you also have a FXDD trading account, tell me what time that was when Big E posted that trade?

you must be meticulous in order to have a better chance to succeed.

Now study puzzle piece #353 Big E training chart

same charr below ... ZOOMed in

notice his Stoch is in sub-window_1 and TDI is below,... (details...)

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  • #108,875
  • Sep 19, 2020 8:32pm Sep 19, 2020 8:32pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Tekkies -- stand to be corrected... That '-1' affects how the 'limit' is computed. In mql4 the bar data is zero-indexed. For example, if there are 100 bars they are index Bar[0] through Bar[99]. There is no Bar[100]. If the code were to attempt to access Bar[100] there would be an 'out of range' error. So, in the statement 'limit = Bars-countedbars-1' the purpose of the '-1' is to convert from a 'count' (e.g. 100) to an index (e.g. 99). This way, when the subsequent 'for' loop iterates it begins at the highest index (i.e. 99) and decrements...
Not trying to be a drag Robot.
(also the wrong place to talk coding > will use the excuse "understand how the indicator works")
MQL4 Reference has this example
limit=Bars-counted_bars;
//---- main loop
for(int i=0; i<limit; i++)
//------------------------------
post#25 TDI
limit = Bars-counted_bars-1;
for(i=limit; i>=0; i--)
One is counting up and one is counting down.
(I changed TDI i-- to i++. the change froze windows 10 to a standstill. won't try that again, for sure)
----
There are two -1. Second one is
for(i=limit-1;i>=0;i--) (for red and green)
(remove that one and TDI becomes a real time indicator)

Somewhere something is not right because I have not found the reason why TDI change red and green lines on a real time chart then a re-fresh / Stratagy Tester chart as per Post 108,793 / Post 108,796
  • #108,876
  • Sep 19, 2020 8:34pm Sep 19, 2020 8:34pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @DrDave -- you are absolutely correct. Some indicators DO repaint. And if they repaint it's because that was how they were coded. Sometimes it's intentional and sometimes it's not. Sometimes an indicator can be re-coded to minimize repainting, sometimes not (because it would change the algorithm). Furthermore, not all repainting is the same. Some indicators repaint all the time and can have a dramatic affect on the markings that are displayed on the chart. Other times, the repainting is more subtle and only noticable around times of extreme...

and Big E in his old thread also learn to use another "re-painting" indicator ... the Bill William Fractal.

and both Craig Harris and Big E traded with this fractal indicator? What di they do and How did they do it?

took me a while to learn, then convince myself about the good, the bad and the ugly of lagging indicators.
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #108,877
  • Sep 19, 2020 8:43pm Sep 19, 2020 8:43pm
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} ...blah blah blah Somewhere something is not right because I have not found the reason why TDI change red and green lines on a real time chart / re-fresh / Stratagy Tester chart as per Post 108,793 / Post 108,796
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Somewhere something is not right because I have not found the reason why TDI change red and green lines on a real time chart / re-fresh / Stratagy Tester chart as per Post 108,793 / Post 108,796

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Starting next week ... in just few hours NY will open at 5PM EST.

Post real-time live market charts and I will explain somethings you do not know in your posts ... Post 108,793 / Post 108,796

You trade EURUSD, right? Do you trade the dragon GBPJPY? Let's do it on M15 or M5 if you prefer, pick your choice.

It's live trading Sunday Sep 20 2020 NY Open until Friday Sep 25 London Close/New York Close.

My trading days starts every Monday Sydney Open till Friday London Close.
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #108,878
  • Edited 9:46pm Sep 19, 2020 8:48pm | Edited 9:46pm
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} Somewhere something is not right because I have not found the reason why TDI change red and green lines on a real time chart then a re-fresh / Stratagy Tester chart as per Post 108,793 / Post 108,796
@Tekkies -- I know what you mean. But that refresh issue is not related to the TDI's algorithm. I have also seen refresh issues with other indicators.

Each chart runs in its own thread of execution -- which means, MT4 gives each chart a small CPU time slice to complete *ALL* its computations. And by *ALL* I mean all indicators attached to that specific chart -- whether they are attached to the main chart or subwindows. Once that CPU time slice has been exhausted, then the thread is killed and MT4 gives a small CPU time slice to the next chart. Even if the first chart hasn't completed its computations and markings, MT4 kills it and moves on to the next chart. Since the previous CPU slice given to the chart never completed, when that chart later gets refreshed then it appears that something has changed. But that's not necessarily the fault of the indicator. This single-threaded architecture used by MT4 was replaced and improved in MT5, but who wants to use MT5 (most brokers won't touch it).

EDIT: As for this code snippet:

MQL4 Reference has this example
limit=Bars-counted_bars;
//---- main loop
for(int i=0; i<limit; i++)

As for this code snippet -- what can I say. There are literarally thousands of code snippets. When it comes to traversing indexed data you can traverse from first-to-last or from last-to-first. Often times it doesn't make a difference -- it depends on what data is being traversed. In the case of dynamic buffers that get displayed on a chart, it is best to traverse from last-to-first in order to avoid recent data influencing older data. And that may or may not affect the behavior and appearance of the algorithm's markings. The decision is left up to the programmer.

If you have access to source code and you wish to determine whether or not an indicator repaints, there are two quick steps you can take:
1. Test it in Strategy Tester and look for instances of repainting.
2. Check the source code and look for the 'for' loops. If the 'for' loop looks like for(int i = 0; i < limit; i++) then there is a good possibility it repaints. And if the 'for' loop looks like for(int i = limit-1; i >= 0; i--) then there is less possibility it repaints. I can't guarantee that this is sufficient because, of course, it depends on the code that gets executed within the 'for' loop.
  • #108,879
  • Sep 19, 2020 8:58pm Sep 19, 2020 8:58pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} but who wants to use MT5
mtako???

Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Tekkies -- I know what you mean. But that refresh issue is not related to the TDI's algorithm. I have also seen refresh issues with other indicators. Each chart runs in its own thread of execution -- which means, MT4 gives each chart a small CPU time slice to complete *ALL* its computations. And by *ALL* I mean all indicators attached to that specific chart -- whether they are attached to the main chart or subwindows. Once that CPU time slice has been exhausted, then the thread is killed and MT4 gives a small CPU time slice to the next...
Thanks Robot.
  • #108,880
  • Sep 19, 2020 9:23pm Sep 19, 2020 9:23pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} .Each chart runs in its own thread of execution -- which means, MT4 gives each chart a small CPU time slice to complete *ALL* its computations. And by *ALL* I mean all indicators attached to that specific chart -- whether they are attached to the main chart or subwindows. Once that CPU time slice has been exhausted, then the thread is killed and MT4 gives a small CPU time slice to the next chart. Even if the first chart hasn't completed its computations and markings, MT4 kills it and moves on to the next chart. Since the previous CPU slice...
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Each chart runs in its own thread of execution -- which means, MT4 gives each chart a small CPU time slice to complete *ALL* its computations. And by *ALL* I mean all indicators attached to that specific chart -- whether they are attached to the main chart or subwindows. Once that CPU time slice has been exhausted, then the thread is killed and MT4 gives a small CPU time slice to the next chart. Even if the first chart hasn't completed its computations and markings, MT4 kills it and moves on to the next chart. Since the previous CPU slice given to the chart never completed, when that chart later gets refreshed then it appears that something has changed. But that's not necessarily the fault of the indicator. This single-threaded architecture used by MT4 was replaced and improved in MT5, but who wants to use MT5 (most brokers won't touch it).
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above its all in one paragrapgh

and yet, this member Tekkies only read "

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{quote} but who wants to use MT5
mtako???
Keep it Simple
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that's the problem with selective reading and not reading the entirety of the topic in discussion.

I moved to MT5 as it was planned and it because one of broker stopped MT4 and forced migration either to MT5 or to their other proprietary platform to enable trading both E-Mine Futures and Forex is one same account & platform.
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