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  • #541
  • Sep 17, 2020 7:05am Sep 17, 2020 7:05am
Please is there anyone here who knows about a forum like ForexFactory for futures trading??
  • #542
  • Sep 17, 2020 7:09am Sep 17, 2020 7:09am
Quoting STrading
{quote} And please stop disrupting the thread, there are people here that want to discuss hedging in a proper way. And also dont disrupt the other hedging thread as i can see that it his definetly on your radar.
ARGH... Not you again, there was me thinking you had got tired after OUR last spat. You really won't except that there might be another way will you? Moodybot 'disrupting the thread' geez take a look in the mirror fella, that's all you ever try to do
  • #543
  • Sep 17, 2020 7:23am Sep 17, 2020 7:23am
Quoting wingate
{quote} ARGH... Not you again, there was me thinking you had got tired after OUR last spat. You really won't except that there might be another way will you? Moodybot 'disrupting the thread' geez take a look in the mirror fella, that's all you ever try to do
We all know there are many ways to trade. You all prove this all the time.

But not all ways are equal. Some are downright baloney, and some are stupid beyond belief.

Fact is, what you lot are doing is deluding yourself, patting each other on the back, then pointing at FAR smarter people and claiming they don't know what they are talking about. The irony is so thick you could rate it's IQ with single digits.

Seriously, you kids just have no clue what it is you are doing, and you are all too slow to have the good sense to be ashamed of yourselves for what you clearly lack.

Y'all can "hedge" til the cows come home, but it doesn't make it any less retarded, and also not hedging.

At the end of the day you folks don't have it within you to comprehend what it is that you are actually doing. It's remarkable. But that's the hard truth... you just don't have what it takes to even understand your own nonsense, even when it's spelled-out for you. It's beyond many of you, and thus you will receive ridicule.

Of course, I'm just a troll / brokers puppet / whatever other shit you muppets want to wish... what could I possible know, right? Riiiiight.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #544
  • Sep 17, 2020 7:26am Sep 17, 2020 7:26am
Pretty slow guy. 2009 to 2020 is 11 years but still can't understand what hedge is.
Observer effect
  • #545
  • Sep 17, 2020 7:45am Sep 17, 2020 7:45am
Quoting ryuryu
Pretty slow guy. 2009 to 2020 is 11 years but still can't understand what hedge is.
Are you referring to me?
  • #546
  • Sep 17, 2020 7:46am Sep 17, 2020 7:46am
^ This shit writes itself. Amazing.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #547
  • Sep 17, 2020 7:57am Sep 17, 2020 7:57am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Totally incorrect. Imagine you have 1 position and it is in loss. Your equity go down. Do you have a loss? No.
YES you have a loss, do you think that if you open a position and never close it, you will never have a loss? Nope the loss is there, its on your equity.
Do you think that if you end with no equity on your account your broker is going to tell, well he has no equity but he hasnt close the trade so he didnt lose.
So by you if i buy 1 lot, the market goes down 200 pips if i hedge i dont have a loss, your broker must be great, mind sharing wich broker you are trading at i am really interested in knowing that.
But you have a great logic to present to us here, your equity goes down but you havent lost money, read this again your EQUITY goes DOWN but you havent LOST money.
Man the things we see here....
  • #548
  • Sep 17, 2020 7:58am Sep 17, 2020 7:58am
Quoting moodybot
{quote} I know the difference between balance and equity but thanks for the concern.
No you dont as you have clearly showed
  • #549
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:06am Sep 17, 2020 8:06am
Quoting wingate
{quote} ARGH... Not you again, there was me thinking you had got tired after OUR last spat. You really won't except that there might be another way will you? Moodybot 'disrupting the thread' geez take a look in the mirror fella, that's all you ever try to do
There might be a way, i am not saiyng there isnt, moneyzilla has made points in where there might be a way.
Yes i do get tired from discussing with idiots like you, have to take a break once in a while.
Let people that have something valuable to share regarding hedging (not me, definetly not you) discuss hedging.
  • #550
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:18am Sep 17, 2020 8:18am
Quoting STrading
{quote}So by you if i buy 1 lot, the market goes down 200 pips if i hedge i dont have a loss, your broker must be great, mind sharing wich broker you are trading at i am really interested in knowing that.
Because you must sell not 1, but more. For example 2. Then your virtual loss = distance between long and short + spread + swap + 2*commissions. But next one short will gain you profit. How can you don't understand this... I think you just trolling.

Anyway this thread is about hedging, not hedge vs sl.
Observer effect
  • #551
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:21am Sep 17, 2020 8:21am
Quoting nubcake
{quote} At the end of the day you folks don't have it within you to comprehend what it is that you are actually doing. It's remarkable. But that's the hard truth... you just don't have what it takes to even understand your own nonsense, even when it's spelled-out for you. It's beyond many of you, and thus you will receive ridicule
But they take it as we disrupting the thread, while they say the most stupid and crazy things.
Guess some people need to be explained 2 or 3 times, or make it like 100 times as there are some people here ( WINGATE ) that have learning dificulties.
  • #552
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:26am Sep 17, 2020 8:26am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Because you must sell not 1, but more. For example 2. Then your virtual loss = distance between long and short + spread + swap + 2*commissions. But next one short will gain you profit. How can you don't understand this since 2018... I think you just trolling. Anyway this thread is about hedging, not hedge vs sl.
And how can you not understand that if you buy 1 lot, then use stop loss (1 lot sell ), then open 1 lot sell and then take profit and make money. Cant you see that its the same thing??????
  • #553
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:30am Sep 17, 2020 8:30am
So you 100% sure that after your SL triggered, loss gained, and you open new position price will go the way you want?
But how the hell you lost your first one then?
What if your second entry is wrong too? SL again?

Ok, I see your math is not good. Let's take a little quest. For example one trader lost 10% from his deposit. How much % he must gain to get the deposit back?
Observer effect
  • #554
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:33am Sep 17, 2020 8:33am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Because you must sell not 1, but more. For example 2. Then your virtual loss = distance between long and short + spread + swap + 2*commissions. But next one short will gain you profit. How can you don't understand this... I think you just trolling. Anyway this thread is about hedging, not hedge vs sl.
How do YOU know that your next short will gain profit?
  • #555
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:34am Sep 17, 2020 8:34am
Quoting ryuryu
So you 100% sure that after your SL and opening new position price will go the way you want? But how the hell you lost your first one then?
And how the fuck do you now that when you sell more than 1 lot when you hedge the market will go the way you want???
So you assume that when you are net short the market will go your way and you will make money with your hedged trades, but for me the market will go the other way.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN YOU ARE NET SHORT WITH YOUR HEDGED TRADES AND THE MARKET GOES UP??????
  • #556
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:35am Sep 17, 2020 8:35am
I don't know that and that's why I don't use SL.
If it will go wrong way again I'll open 2x LONGS higher.

This is the main hedge feature, that price movement expands!

In your example you will get 2 SL in a row. In my example I'll have floating loss and quit with profit ones price will move (doesn't matter which way).
Observer effect
  • #557
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:38am Sep 17, 2020 8:38am
Quoting ryuryu
I don't now that and that's why I don't use SL. If it will go wrong way again I'll open 2x LONGS higher!
And if mine goes wrong i will use the stop loss again, and buy 1 lot
  • #558
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:38am Sep 17, 2020 8:38am
Folks, "hedging" is magic, for magical folk. Fairies grant wishes and trolls work for brokers in this Disneyland of delusion.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #559
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:43am Sep 17, 2020 8:43am
Quoting STrading
{quote} And if mine goes wrong i will use the stop loss again, and buy 1 lot
Yes, exactly. And you will have 2 SL in a row. And it will be very hard to recover. Do you realize that if you lose 10%, then you have to gain at least 11.2% back (+fees, spread, swaps etc)?
Observer effect
  • #560
  • Sep 17, 2020 8:43am Sep 17, 2020 8:43am
Quoting ryuryu
I don't know that and that's why I don't use SL. If it will go wrong way again I'll open 2x LONGS higher. This is the main hedge feature, that price movement expands! In your example you will get 2 SL in a row. In my example I'll have floating loss and quit with profit ones price will move (doesn't matter which way).
Man i will be your friend now, just stop and dont embarace yourself more.
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