Analysis and Trading based on Envelopes, Waves, Cycles

I think I understand what u are saying.... many thks

My understanding of Gann is that he explored the influence of time on price and also the influence of price on Time. eg. a price hi of 50 generates time cycles of 50.
He saw that time and price were independent forces and he also saw that there was a relationship between them.

Just like Hurst could not explain the "Why" of the oscillatory nature of price movement, Gann did not explain it either . ( thou I do have a bullet point list,maybe written by Billy jones, which says the fundamental vibratory force is spirit).

I'm pondering why a range chart with price units on the x-axis (time) , could possibly show an oscillatory structure ?

In watching the mkts , I often find that the range charts take on these channel structures when the mkt has spike moves.
Its' as if price takes control of the mkt.. ? ( sounds weird, I know ...but its as if it is price movement itself that is generating both the supply and demand)

how is it possible for the range chart to show an oscillatory structure.?? ( This time it is a constant t/line channel structure.. Other times it can be a dynamic cycle structure ). (I use bollinger bands, because they r part of my chart package, and I like the volatility component.... )

rhk

I think that we always have to have in mind that we are using analogies to try to "understand " the market (Price Action).

It is AS IF.

We can see Price Action AS IF there were sinewaves some more obviously visible at some time.

Hurst and others (Ehlers) were specialized in signals treatment through computers extracting information from time series data.

But if there is analogies between market data projected on a computer screen and radio waves are both of them of the same nature ?

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Short in progress

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Short Follow up

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Closed Short position + 50 points

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FLD Short Exit explanation

Easy money !

For all Dummies and Lazy traders as explained at length on this thread a Future Line of Demarcation (FLD) is the projection IN THE FUTURE of present Price Action of 1/2 Period of a Cycle operative within Price Action.

Here the FLD 256 Time Units means that Price Action is projected (translated) 128 Time Units forward.

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Lazy way of investing ?
I will buy Shares all day long at 10 pence with the use of the trusted FLDs

Laziness hence cautiouness.

You just have to learn to notice by the book patterns .

When you see a by the book pattern (or at least a very close cousin) you know that you are in a sound territory.

quote Emmk : Once a swing is measured in both time (in hours) and price it's reduced to the hypotenuse using Pythagore theorem, and after....I consider the PTV (hypotenuse) as a side of a perfect square having 45 degrees and 45 degrees and 90 degrees angles in it...then find as it where the PTV (other 2 sides using trigonometry) and after, the last part is...getting the PTV for the true hypotenuse and using cos and sin rule (trigonometry) into time and price (note)...note I change the price into time by dividing by 24 hrs as well as time (it was a mistake I made when trying to understand Bradley but it works)...then you project forward using those days...attached is Jenkins visual projection...REMEMBER WHAT CAN BE DRAWN CAN BE CALCULATED

Pythagore

"Since the beginning of time, rhythmic regularity has been the law of creation. Gradually man has acquired knowledge and power from studying the various manifestations of this law. The effects of the law are discernible in the behavior of the tides, the heavenly bodies, cyclones, day and night, even life and death. This rhythmic regularity is called a cycle."

From the 1939 Financial World article by R.N. Elliott

rhk,

I'm pondering why a range chart with price units on the x-axis (time) , could possibly show an oscillatory structure ?

could you show us a "range chart" and define what ou call a range chart ?

I often find that the range charts take on these channel structures when the mkt has spike moves. Its' as if price takes control of the mkt.. ? (

could you also show us an example

TIA

Let's return to "observational cyclic analysis" - Hurst - Profit Magic - Chapter 2 - page 37

I will try to keep it simple what great minds adore to complexify !

You just have to master the correct concepts, then the adequate tools derived from these concepts

Pure visual observation shows that Price Action is AT THE SAME TIME in a TREND MODE AND in a CYCLIC MODE

John Ehlers has written a paper on the subject

One part of the problem is that Ehlers is not really a trader, much more a resarcher who moreover thinks that a computer and a convenient dosis of high mathematics can solve a lot of questions relatively to the market.

Basically Ehler, as many, trusts more his computer than his eyes and his brain

to follow

PFIZER

Trending and Cyclic Modes (seen by Parisboy )

Pure visual observation shows that Price Action is AT THE SAME TIME in a TREND MODE AND in a CYCLIC MODE : long trends are made of Cycles of shorter periods

6 Years = 6 x 256 = 1536 Trading Days