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  • #470,781
  • Dec 2, 2018 8:09am Dec 2, 2018 8:09am
Quoting Robinhood1
{quote} Totally agree. The problem we have in Spain is that there is 3 more official languages besides Spanish. Catalan spoken by 80% of the Catalans, Basque and Gallego which is sort of Portugues. This makes a huge cultural diference and therefor when economy weakens, relations get tite. Just like domestic economy. If money stops coming in the house a divorce is on its way
While UK is a joint between consolidated countries Spain is not. I think Scotland became part of UK around 1710 by a treaty wheras Spain has been Spain since 1469 which was the culmination of little kingdoms becoming one only. So now we have the debate whether to be a republic or not. Independence will come first in my opinion because Europe will go down the drain
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  • #470,782
  • Dec 2, 2018 8:28am Dec 2, 2018 8:28am
why did they not allow a referendum? I've lost the thread of the story since that commotion

Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Its evident you don't know how works Spain. Empire was finished when they lose Cuba/Philippines. Spain internal composition will not change. If you believe some independent movements are real in Spain then you are believing in smoke. All is reduced to get money/power without any responsibility when they fuck things. You can see how works Pais Vasco ( more similar USA Federal model ). They are very comfortable now. Even they don't want independence ( they close their armed leg ). Problem with Catalonia is easy to solve but you don't expect...
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  • #470,783
  • Dec 2, 2018 8:29am Dec 2, 2018 8:29am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Its evident you don't know how works Spain. Empire was finished when they lose Cuba/Philippines. Spain internal composition will not change. If you believe some independent movements are real in Spain then you are believing in smoke. All is reduced to get money/power without any responsibility when they fuck things. You can see how works Paid Vasco ( more similar USA Federal model ). They are very comfortable now. Even they don't want independence ( they close their armed leg ). Problem with Catalonia is easy to solve but you don't expect...
hola compaņero. You are trying to catch 15 pips but look at the big picture. A dying empire can still exist even loosing colonies. We are coming to its end in theory not in practical terms. Culture lasts about 5000 years, civilizations 1700 years and empire 550. Within 200 years nobody will have ever heard of people like socrates greek culture will extinguish. We know about Egyptians again because we went hunting their tresures only 150 years ago but they were already forgotten. Anyway, I am from Barcelona, I am neutral on the nationalistic issue. I try to see things from history and why they happen. There are a lot of unionist in Catalonia(slightly more than independents at this moment) A referendum is not possibly by constitution. Nevertheles, you will see Scotland be independent in other referendums to come. Nationalist never stop untill they get it.
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  • #470,784
  • Dec 2, 2018 8:33am Dec 2, 2018 8:33am
Quoting Bones
why did they not allow a referendum? I've lost the thread of the story since that commotion {quote}
It is not in the 1978 constitution when Franco passed away and democracy begun. all political parties including nationalists agreed to let monarcy back in for democracy
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  • #470,785
  • Dec 2, 2018 8:37am Dec 2, 2018 8:37am
The problem begins when you have an economic crisis like 2008 money becomes tight for everybody and because Catalunya is the mayor contributor to Spain tresury īs department. Some people start thinking we could be better off without rest. So me have a mix of cultural feeling plus a lack of income. Perfect cocktail for problems
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  • #470,786
  • Dec 2, 2018 8:52am Dec 2, 2018 8:52am
Quoting Bones
why did they not allow a referendum? I've lost the thread of the story since that commotion {quote}
Because that not change anything. If they lose it they will reclaim other until they get result they want. Its all an excuse for get more. And country integrity was voted at 1978. If you want change something you must do it with same conditions. It was voted for all country, not 30% of one 7M region
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  • #470,787
  • Dec 2, 2018 9:02am Dec 2, 2018 9:02am
Quoting Robinhood1
{quote} hola compaņero. You are trying to catch 15 pips but look at the big picture. A dying empire can still exist even loosing colonies. We are coming to its end in theory not in practical terms. Culture lasts about 5000 years, civilizations 1700 years and empire 550. Within 200 years nobody will have ever heard of people like socrates greek culture will extinguish. We know about Egyptians again because we went hunting their tresures only 150 years ago but they were already forgotten. Anyway, I am from Barcelona, I am neutral on the nationalistic...
Catalonia history is fake. The kingdom was Aragon. Barcelona ( Catalonia didn't exists at that time ) was an earldom. Then how you want they get independence of a country never exists. Anyway this is an useless topic. Last time they try force situation we got 40 years of dictatorship and all Catalonia independent were executed. Spain is like a wharf ( I don't know if is right word ). You can force it a lot without any side effect until reach a limit... That limit is very huge but not infinite

Spaniards are not like French people. We don't leave to protect our rights but all country leave when we win at football. Now you think the day everybody thinks one thing don't like. Run away...
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  • #470,788
  • Dec 2, 2018 9:04am Dec 2, 2018 9:04am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Because that not change anything. If they lose it they will reclaim other until they get result they want. Its all an excuse for get more. And country integrity was voted at 1978. If you want change something you must do it with same conditions. It was voted for all country, not 30% of one 7M region
This is what i just said but Spain and other countries will go bankrupt because the actual monetary system can not be sustained. The soviet union went through the process. There is no money for pensions and yet the baby boom have not reached retirement age. Wait and see from from 2025. The first baby boom from 1958 will want their well earned retirement!!! and it gets worse from 2023 because pensioners were born from 1958 to around 1972 in mass. UK is doing well unconsiously getting out of EU. They will be able to take care of their elderly
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  • #470,789
  • Dec 2, 2018 9:31am Dec 2, 2018 9:31am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Catalonia history is fake. The kingdom was Aragon. Barcelona ( Catalonia didn't exists at that time ) was an earldom. Then how you want they get independence of a country never exists. Anyway this is an useless topic. Last time they try force situation we got 40 years of dictatorship and all Catalonia independent were executed. Spain is like a wharf ( I don't know if is right word ). You can force it a lot without any side effect until reach a limit... That limit is very huge but not infinite Spaniards are not like French people. We don't...
You are totally wrong here. Spanish civil war was about monarcy or Republic. The king flew away not because of Catalans claiming independence but 2nd republic, first republic was in 1873. Many republican politicians were executed "rojos" not neceserally Catalans. There is still a lot of hate between republicans and monarchical "Podemos" and others. Besides, there is the independence issue but this comes from when Spain were little kingdoms many centuries ago. Some Basques would love to be independent, Gallegos and even Andalutians now.

Napoleon said that the danger of a civil war dissapears after the 5th generation. I guess nowadays adfter the 7th as people live longer
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  • #470,790
  • Dec 2, 2018 9:38am Dec 2, 2018 9:38am
I hope you all enjoyed this little debate between 2 Spaniards so you can get a true perspective and not only what you read in the newsThis website is about trading but i hope its ok to talk about politics on a sunday to kill some time
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  • #470,791
  • Dec 2, 2018 9:42am Dec 2, 2018 9:42am
Quoting Robinhood1
{quote} You are totally wrong here. Spanish civil war was about monarcy or Republic. The king flew away not because of Catalans claiming independence but 2nd republic, first republic was in 1873. Many republican politicians were executed "rojos" not neceserally Catalans. There is still a lot of hate between republicans and monarchical "Podemos" and others. Besides, there is the independence issue but this comes from when Spain were little kingdoms many centuries ago. Some Basques would love to be independent, Gallegos and even Andalutians now.
I'm not wrong. If you check what happened in the 2nd republic you will see they try import communist burning church's and killing everybody against that thinking. Civil war was military reaction to that. My grandpa was at Republican side at civil war. Catalonia independence was the last drop in glass for activate all
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  • #470,792
  • Dec 2, 2018 9:43am Dec 2, 2018 9:43am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Because that not change anything. If they lose it they will reclaim other until they get result they want. Its all an excuse for get more. And country integrity was voted at 1978. If you want change something you must do it with same conditions. It was voted for all country, not 30% of one 7M region
I will correct you in your favour. A referendum if held, should be done by 45M because its a Spanish issue not a Catalan only.
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  • #470,793
  • Dec 2, 2018 9:47am Dec 2, 2018 9:47am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} I'm not wrong. If you check what happened in the 2nd republic you will see they try import communist burning church's and killing everybody against that thinking. Civil war was military reaction to that. My grandpa was at Republican side at civil war. Catalonia independence was the last drop in glass for activate all
Ok, I understood the Catalans to blame for the civil war
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  • #470,794
  • Dec 2, 2018 9:56am Dec 2, 2018 9:56am
Quoting Robinhood1
{quote} Ok, I understood the Catalans to blame for the civil war
No. PSOE was the responsible. I have family at Barcelona ( they want independence too ). But we never have problem because I don't spend my time in political topics. Really I'm not worry if Spain go down...
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  • #470,795
  • Dec 2, 2018 10:00am Dec 2, 2018 10:00am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} No. PSOE was the responsible. I have family at Barcelona ( they want independence too ). But we never have problem because I don't spend my time in political topics. Really I'm not worry if Spain go down... {image}
I have never voted in my life. Donīt beleive in politcs. There are 3 type of humans. 1.- honest 2.- robbers 3.- the ones who cannot rob
Just believe in me but i like to be informed most accurately possible so i know whats coming
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  • #470,796
  • Edited 10:17am Dec 2, 2018 10:05am | Edited 10:17am
checking the chart to see & ready for any consequences! test long kept open bottom areas.I am not any fan of bull in this pair , a long term bear looking for a better level to start short again , not all sorts of spikes here & there . anyway long as far as price at 1.2722/2691/60/30 or even in all extreme cases 2588 with brexit tanking on 11th parliament rejection !! me just long test at any lows . better have a gap down to 2724!! take care fontu
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  • #470,797
  • Dec 2, 2018 10:05am Dec 2, 2018 10:05am
My mother was born in Barcelona 1933 and fortunately never had family executions. They were non political. They did have to hide in the metro every time the alarms went off as planes were bombing the city. I also have ancestors from Alicante Murcia and Vizcaya
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  • #470,798
  • Dec 2, 2018 10:06am Dec 2, 2018 10:06am
Quoting Robinhood1
{quote} I have never voted in my life. Donīt beleive in politcs. There are 3 type of humans. 1.- honest 2.- robbers 3.- the ones who cannot rob Just believe in me but i like to be informed most accurately possible so i know whats coming
I agree with you. But I accept other opinions. I'm at one Spanish forum where everybody fight for this topics. The funny thing is after discussions everything stay without changes. A waste of time and energy
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  • #470,799
  • Dec 2, 2018 10:06am Dec 2, 2018 10:06am
Quoting fontu
checking the chart to see & ready for any consequences! test long kept open bottom areas.I am not any fan of bull in this pair , a long term bear looking for a better level to start short again , not all sorts spikes here & there . anyway long as far as price at 1.2722/2691/60/30 or even taking in all extreme cases 2588 with brexit tanking on 11th parliament rejection !! me just long test at any lows .take care fontu {image} {image} {image}
that was shocking fontu
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  • #470,800
  • Dec 2, 2018 10:07am Dec 2, 2018 10:07am
Yeah, lets change subject
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