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  •  bobby2
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I don't know if it's only Me or anybody else. But every time I show my profits that I made in a short-long term to my friends, my trading results start to drop and then I hit margin call.( It happened four times) I don't know if its karma or something similar. My best advice is to never show how much you have made or even talk about it. Just say you're doing great Share your experience !
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Actually it's pretty common in one form or another in all walks of life, not just trading. But, even if we aren't seeking public recognition, if we tell or notify no one, the same thing may occur because we want to continue duplicating what we did and we start paying more attention to the "wanted" results instead of making our judgements based on what brought us our success to begin with.

In trading it could happen in several ways, but the result will usually be the same, a lower success level or outright failure. Let's say we have a couple of good months of profit and we already feel good about that alone. Once we inform another person we may feel obligated to maintain, or surpass, the results we announced, so we start short-cutting our rules in damaging ways, like staying in a losing trade longer than our rules allow, or staying in a winning trade long after our rules said to exit, resulting in bigger losses and / or smaller gains.

Then there is the old classic: If we can do this much in this amount of time, if we increase our exposure the profits will be astronomical. Most of us know how that turns out.

Or maybe we have a program like Trade Explorer or My FX Book to make a statistical analysis of our trading and we have a good maximum consecutive wins and losses run, or our Profit Factor is pretty good. Hey!! Let's see if we can beat that. We start thinking more about the stats than we do our trading judgement process.

Whatever form it takes, living up to expectations can often impair judgement. It has little to do with intelligence. It has a lot to do with experience. It's not easy to reach success in any profession, but if we get there we need to remember what got us there.
 
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  •  tradesimply
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{quote} Actually it's pretty common in one form or another in all walks of life, not just trading. But, even if we aren't seeking public recognition, if we tell or notify no one, the same thing may occur because we want to continue duplicating what we did and we start paying more attention to the "wanted" results instead of making our judgements based on what brought us our success to begin with. In trading it could happen in several ways, but the result will usually be the same, a lower success level or outright failure. Let's say we have a couple...
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Spot on!
I think these are the reasons why I could never trade another person's money!
 
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  • Sep 10, 2018 12:53pm Sep 10, 2018 12:53pm
  •  james1254
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I think it largely depends on the person. Some are comfortable showing their results, others aren't and their trading is affected when they do. Either way, do whatever you're comfortable with.
 
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  • Sep 11, 2018 10:11am Sep 11, 2018 10:11am
  •  ForestX
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{quote} Actually it's pretty common in one form or another in all walks of life, not just trading. But, even if we aren't seeking public recognition, if we tell or notify no one, the same thing may occur because we want to continue duplicating what we did and we start paying more attention to the "wanted" results instead of making our judgements based on what brought us our success to begin with. In trading it could happen in several ways, but the result will usually be the same, a lower success level or outright failure. Let's say we have a couple...
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This is what I exactly what I had in my mind with the stats we have. We trying to beat ourselves instead of just improving overall and keeping yourself in profits.I think we gotta start looking in long-term than short term.

Keep your healthy lifestyle and treat ourselves after having a good trade session. Mentally and physically I think it consumes us, and I think after showing how much you have made it makes you automatically to push yourself more and have fewer drawdowns and more profits.
I make perfect trades. But terribly manage it
Hamster on DRUGS TE All Time Return: -73.6%
 
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  • Sep 11, 2018 10:55am Sep 11, 2018 10:55am
  •  kinspk
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My 2 cents...

Actually there's no much positive advantages showing someone our results except to convince your investors or one's ego.

The only time you really want to show someone your results is when you are losing because;

- You avoid people borrowing money from you.
- You avoid wasting your time showing them your results and strategies.
- You avoid your friends making you pay for all the bills when they think you are making big money easily.
Ultimately, you save lot of precious time and money by not showing any thing just to prove yourself.
The only winner is the one who survive the longest...
 
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  • Sep 11, 2018 11:25am Sep 11, 2018 11:25am
  •  bobby2
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{quote} This is what I exactly what I had in my mind with the stats we have. We trying to beat ourselves instead of just improving overall and keeping yourself in profits.I think we gotta start looking in long-term than short term. Keep your healthy lifestyle and treat ourselves after having a good trade session. Mentally and physically I think it consumes us, and I think after showing how much you have made it makes you automatically to push yourself more and have fewer drawdowns and more profits.
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I'm not going to go into trading psychology. That's a whole 'nuther beast. The OP asked why his performance suffered after talking about trading results. People who are successful usually find a "way" of doing whatever it is they do that delivers consistent positive results. They do it the same way over and over. They don't change a thing no matter what anybody says. They have confidence in the process. There is very little thinking involved. They rinse and repeat. But when results become more important than the process, which is going to happen if we feel pressure to meet expectations, failure is imminent.

I think the things you alluded to, the drive to improve our performance, and our vision or perception of our performance, of course they affect how we do our job, but IMO is off-subject here.
 
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  •  james1254
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My 2 cents... Actually there's no much positive advantages showing someone our results except to convince your investors or one's ego. The only time you really want to show someone your results is when you are losing because; - You avoid people borrowing money from you. - You avoid wasting your time showing them your results and strategies. - You avoid your friends making you pay for all the bills when they think you are making big money easily. Ultimately, you save lot of precious time and money by not showing any thing just to prove yourself.
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Boosting your own confidence can have a pretty big effect on your trading. Whether that effect is positive or negative depends on a type of person you are.
 
 
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My 2 cents... Actually there's no much positive advantages showing someone our results except to convince your investors or one's ego. The only time you really want to show someone your results is when you are losing because; - You avoid people borrowing money from you. - You avoid wasting your time showing them your results and strategies. - You avoid your friends making you pay for all the bills when they think you are making big money easily. Ultimately, you save lot of precious time and money by not showing any thing just to prove yourself.
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The first point can have opposite effect for your if you show only losing statements/losing periods. Tested, works!
 
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  • Sep 12, 2018 3:26pm Sep 12, 2018 3:26pm
  •  ForestX
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{quote} Boosting your own confidence can have a pretty big effect on your trading. Whether that effect is positive or negative depends on a type of person you are.
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Overconfidence is really unhealthy for a long period of time. I felt that feeling, you start making "pointless" trades that shouldn't be traded
I make perfect trades. But terribly manage it
Hamster on DRUGS TE All Time Return: -73.6%
 
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  •  TruthBudha
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I don't know if it's only Me or anybody else. But every time I show my profits that I made in a short-long term to my friends, my trading results start to drop and then I hit margin call.( It happened four times) I don't know if its karma or something similar. My best advice is to never show how much you have made or even talk about it. Just say you're doing great Share your experience !
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Hmmmm This lacks any logic or maybe there is more underneath to consider?
 
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  • Sep 13, 2018 12:54pm Sep 13, 2018 12:54pm
  •  james1254
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{quote} Overconfidence is really unhealthy for a long period of time. I felt that feeling, you start making "pointless" trades that shouldn't be traded
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I agree. I also think that there is a difference between knowing what you can do and being overconfident. The former is just being realistic, which can be helpful when you trade. The latter clouds your judgement.
 
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  • Sep 13, 2018 10:23pm Sep 13, 2018 10:23pm
  •  kosmo
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{quote} I agree with over trading. But I've never put any emotions in trading.
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There, right there. The second sentence contradicts the first. There is no overtrading without emotions. Overtrading is the epitome of emotions; either greed or revenge. Take your pick.
mind over matter
 
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  • Sep 13, 2018 10:48pm Sep 13, 2018 10:48pm
  •  kosmo
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every time I show my profits that I made in a short-long term to my friends, my trading results start to drop
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Beside the possibility that you may simply be lacking experience as a trader, you may also have to work on your self-image, i.e. unless you convince your subconscious mind (by reprogramming your belief system) that you're a winner, it will always find a way to prove you wrong.
In short, keep believing that you're a winner, while constantly improving your workshop. The gap will get filled eventually.

Take a look at "Psycho-Cybernetics" by Maxwell Maltz.
mind over matter
 
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  • Sep 23, 2018 6:24am Sep 23, 2018 6:24am
  •  ForestX
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{quote} Beside the possibility that you may simply be lacking experience as a trader, you may also have to work on your self-image, i.e. unless you convince your subconscious mind (by reprogramming your belief system) that you're a winner, it will always find a way to prove you wrong. In short, keep believing that you're a winner, while constantly improving your workshop. The gap will get filled eventually. Take a look at "Psycho-Cybernetics" by Maxwell Maltz.
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I like your point of view. The winner mindset. But having a winner mindset sometimes leads you to greed(IMO). Because you keep winning and you always think "only 1 loss is no problem but 2 I think I'm doing something wrong. So I gotta use a bigger lot to cover my lose in profits again."

Thanks for the book.
I make perfect trades. But terribly manage it
Hamster on DRUGS TE All Time Return: -73.6%
 
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  • Sep 23, 2018 9:53pm Sep 23, 2018 9:53pm
  •  kosmo
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{quote} But having a winner mindset sometimes leads you to greed(IMO).
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Greed is a side effect of having a) no edge and/or b) poor money management - both a common predicament of beginner traders. Without an edge and/or with poor MM, it is next to impossible to set oneself any realistic target expectations - perfect conditions for emotional trading.

Take your time to study and understand market behaviour. That's the only way to achieve consistency.
mind over matter
 
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{quote} I like your point of view. The winner mindset. But having a winner mindset sometimes leads you to greed(IMO). Because you keep winning and you always think "only 1 loss is no problem but 2 I think I'm doing something wrong. So I gotta use a bigger lot to cover my lose in profits again." Thanks for the book.
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Being organized and having a trading plan can help with that issue. Since a trading plan takes both profit and loss into consideration, it can help you ascertain just how much loss is becoming a problem.
 
 
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