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  • #941
  • Apr 28, 2018 11:03pm Apr 28, 2018 11:03pm
Quoting parisboy
closed Long position on EURUSD {image}
Hi parisboy,
i think this shifted (composite ??) line is found some where for MT4, but i can not find it now. Can you please give a link where to get this indicator ? Many thanks.
  • #942
  • Apr 29, 2018 3:19am Apr 29, 2018 3:19am
Hurst cycle outlook for the S&P:

Did the important "Trough" of the S&P come earlier ?

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Wait for the next Hickson update for confirmation in may.

Sixer
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  • #943
  • Apr 29, 2018 8:03am Apr 29, 2018 8:03am
Quoting Sixer
Hurst cycle outlook for the S&P: Did the important "Trough" of the S&P come earlier ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAe82qSu0-Q Wait for the next Hickson update for confirmation in may. Sixer {image}
Thanks Sixer very interesting post and video
  • #944
  • Apr 29, 2018 3:10pm Apr 29, 2018 3:10pm
Quoting newhope
{quote} Hi parisboy, i think this shifted (composite ??) line is found some where for MT4, but i can not find it now. Can you please give a link where to get this indicator ? Many thanks.
Hi newhope, I do not use MT4 so I am totally illiterate on MT 4 and cannot help you on this subject.

The shifted line is not "composite". Hurst called it the Future Line of Demarcation in short FLD.

This the projection of Price Action in the future of 1/2 period of identified cycles.

Here you can build the FLD 32 by projecting Price Action 16 points forward, FLD 128 by projecting Price Action 64 points forward and FLD 256 by projecting Price Action 128 points forward
  • #945
  • Apr 29, 2018 4:43pm Apr 29, 2018 4:43pm
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} Hi, as Parisboy says you have to make a few different templates for different pairs and timeframes the main thing that I see is that you must stick to the 3 lengths of 256 128 32 with a -16 shift, the way I start is with the 32 the problem with the Envelope MT4 indicator it will only hold round numbers Go into envelope indicator set it to 32 with a -16 shift , MA Method Simple & Apply To Median Price (H/L/2) now the tricky bit you have to set the Deviation to what you think is the best channel holds the price in my example 0.10 if happy...
Hi Dave, Thank you for the settings & those examples. Will give them a try. Best trades to you.
  • #946
  • Apr 29, 2018 7:29pm Apr 29, 2018 7:29pm
Quoting parisboy
{quote} Hi newhope, I do not use MT4 so I am totally illiterate on MT 4 and cannot help you on this subject. The shifted line is not "composite". Hurst called it the Future Line of Demarcation in short FLD. This the projection of Price Action in the future of 1/2 period of identified cycles. Here you can build the FLD 32 by projecting Price Action 16 points forward, FLD 128 by projecting Price Action 64 points forward and FLD 256 by projecting Price Action 128 points forward
hello parisboy,
can you share your tradingview settings?

thanks
  • #947
  • Apr 30, 2018 12:42am Apr 30, 2018 12:42am
FLD PARISBOY TEMPLATE .

PRICE CLOSE SHIFTED : 16 / 64 /128

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  • #948
  • Apr 30, 2018 4:00am Apr 30, 2018 4:00am
SP 500 3 MONTHS / 60 minutes
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  • #949
  • May 1, 2018 11:25am May 1, 2018 11:25am
Quoting guandi
{quote} hello parisboy, can you share your tradingview settings? thanks
Guandi you should first read the thread attentively and in details

most of the informations on on how to build :

Centered Moving averages (and their crossings)

Envelopes

Future Line of Demarcation

are fully explained

Then it is a good exercice to try to implement these tools on whatever platform you use.

After that, if you need some help with Trading View I can help you

Motto : learn to fish yourself
  • #950
  • May 2, 2018 4:42am May 2, 2018 4:42am
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  • #951
  • May 2, 2018 5:11am May 2, 2018 5:11am
Quoting guandi
{quote} hello parisboy, can you share your tradingview settings? thanks
study(title=“Envelope”, shorttitle=“Env”, overlay=true)
len = input(32, title=“Length”, minval=1)
octave = input(156.25)
src = input(close, title=“Source”)
exponential = input(false)
basis = sma(src, len)
k = octave
upper = basis + k
lower = basis - k
plot(basis, color=orange,offset=-16)
u = plot(upper, color=blue, offset=-16)
l = plot(lower, color=blue, offset=-16)
fill(u, l, color=blue)

Source code for the study is above

this creates the Envelope 32 with an offset of - 16

after that you copy 2 times the Envelope indicator on the chart and you modify the length with 128 and 256
you change (if you want) the color - I use blue for 32, ocre for 128 and brown for 256
and you got the 3 Envelopes aligned on the end of Envelope 32 . The " Envelopes are offsetted by - 16

Then you save your “study” as a Template

PS - May be the code is not perfect - but I am totally illiterate in programming. So I used at the time (beginning of 2016) something existing in Trading View - and adapted it to my needs.
  • #952
  • May 2, 2018 8:42pm May 2, 2018 8:42pm
Quoting parisboy
{quote} study(title=“Envelope”, shorttitle=“Env”, overlay=true) len = input(32, title=“Length”, minval=1) octave = input(156.25) src = input(close, title=“Source”) exponential = input(false) basis = sma(src, len) k = octave upper = basis + k lower = basis - k plot(basis, color=orange,offset=-16) u = plot(upper, color=blue, offset=-16) l = plot(lower, color=blue, offset=-16) fill(u, l, color=blue) Source code for the study is above this creates the Envelope 32 with an offset of - 16 after that you copy 2 times the Envelope indicator on the chart...
hello Parisboy,

much appreciated. will experiment with the figures
  • #953
  • May 3, 2018 1:41am May 3, 2018 1:41am
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  • May 3, 2018 1:45am May 3, 2018 1:45am
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  • May 3, 2018 7:01am May 3, 2018 7:01am
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  • May 4, 2018 1:01am May 4, 2018 1:01am
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  • May 4, 2018 1:17am May 4, 2018 1:17am
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  • #958
  • Edited 2:26am May 4, 2018 1:34am | Edited 2:26am
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} Thanks Sixer very interesting post and video
When you are not totally stubborn and narrow minded like MasterIknowall (AKA Supercop) you can even use Speed Angles ! (Gann Angles)

you just have to visualize a multiple of 8 Time Units since your start point to get the Right (1x1) Angle (1 Price Unit x 1 Time Unit ) which by the way is a Moving Average

The (1x1) Angle is more known (uncorrectly) as the 45° Angle. Gann tells us that it is the "most important Angle". The place where Time and Price "square" (are balanced) with a high probability of Directional Change

MasterIknowall (AKA Supercop) finds Moving Averages confusing - not me.

Anyway even a "degraded" 45° Angle - not respecting the Gann Price Time parameters - , let's say a "normal" 45° Angle is useful . It shows the Price Action Speed and Acceleration variations but not the Price Time relations
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  • #959
  • May 4, 2018 1:37am May 4, 2018 1:37am
Quoting parisboy
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Hello my friend, I have been looking at the software and forums that are connected with your method , even spotted your contribution and how well your views are respected there is no doubt in my mind you are a true master of the Envelope approach but as you have said to me, to understand fully its more than just Envelopes and I just do not feel that I have the ability to understand EVERYTHING that's need to be competent in your approach but what I do see your method works and in a funny sort of way sits very well with my ideas of Murrey (Oops) I will keep reading and practicing your style of trading so keep the posts coming and you could always add a few words if you have time as my eyes do get tired at times.
The software does look good are you still involved with it ?
  • #960
  • Edited 2:27am May 4, 2018 2:05am | Edited 2:27am
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} Hello my friend, I have been looking at the software and forums that are connected with your method , even spotted your contribution and how well your views are respected there is no doubt in my mind you are a true master of the Envelope approach but as you have said to me, to understand fully its more than just Envelopes and I just do not feel that I have the ability to understand EVERYTHING that's need to be competent in your approach but what I do see your method works and in a funny sort of way sits very well with my ideas of Murrey...
OAPDave you just have to practice - do not underestimate yourself - you built your own Envelopes , may be not exactly mine - may be it depends of the platform you use I do not know.

Anyway it is not the key point.

a) first you recognize the value and interest of Envelopes for Analysis and Trading
b) It is better to use 3 Envelopes built on Centered Moving Averages with the Time Parameters 32 / 128 / 256 you already know with Murrey
3 Envelopes are enough - to avoid confusion ( here MasterIknowall (AKA Supercop) is right)

c) on a long term chart you can add a fourth Enveloppe - parameters 1536 Time Units - corresponding to a 6 Year Cycle in daily time Unit
d) the Envelope 256 Time Unit has a depth or amplitude of 1 Octave (that MasterIknowall namesl Octave Gap)

e) you will note that I use ALL "Murrey" tools - the Octave, the Time Units and the Angles. If I do not use the "MML's" that I prefer to name "Support & Resistance Lines " (SRL), it is just because I have not found a practical and simple way to build them on Trading View . Honestly I did not invest a lot of time and effort in this case.

But on Long Term Chart I use Excel and Support & Resistance Lines

I do not agree on the use of 12 Lines by MasterIknowall . Because IMHO he has not understood the correct nature and function of the "MML's -1, -2 and + 1 , +2

These "MML's" constitute a " Zone of Transition" or "Zone of Hesitation" where Price action does not know yet if it will go to a superior Fractal of Price by doubling the Octave Gap or an inferior Fractal of Price by halving the Octave Gap.

This means concretely that Volatility expands or contracts
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