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  • Jun 13, 2023 9:23pm Jun 13, 2023 9:23pm
  •  clemmo17
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He would buy precisely those securities in Japan that appeared the least desirable to others. First, the stocks of Japanese insurance companies. The world would probably assume that ordinary insurance companies had a great deal of exposure, when in fact, the risk resides mainly with Western insurers and with a special Japanese earthquake insurance company that's been socking away premiums for decades. The shares of ordinary insurers would be cheap.

With the economy in temporary disrepair, the government would lower interest rates to encourage rebuilding and simply order the banks to lend at those rates.

Also, the short-term panic could well be overshadowed by the long-term repatriation of Japanese capital. Japanese companies have massive sums invested in Europe and America. Eventually they would withdraw those investments, turn inward, lick their wounds, repair their factories, and bolster their stock.

If the yen collapsed immediately after the quake, it would only further encourage Alexander, who sought always to do the unexpected,
 
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  • Jun 13, 2023 9:24pm Jun 13, 2023 9:24pm
  •  clemmo17
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If there was a single lesson I took away from Salomon Brothers, it is that rarely do all parties win. The nature of the game is zero sum. A dollar out of my customer's pocket was a dollar in ours, and vice versa.
 
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  • Jun 15, 2023 8:24am Jun 15, 2023 8:24am
  •  clemmo17
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Chapters 9 and 10 are all about the inevitable decline and dissolution of the partnership due to mismanagement. Lewis alternately praises and skewers Gutfreund for his ability to mingle greed with higher principles, making it seem like his self-interested choices are about the good of the company.

The cast of baddies includes famous names like Mike Milliken the junk bond king, Ivan Boesky (neither of whom are in jail yet in the book timeline. I’m waiting to see if that’s the climax) and Warren Buffett who once again emerges as the smartest man in the room in yet another book, by loaning to Salomon the $700M it needs to stay afloat via a convertible bond paying 9% interest. He can’t lose either way. Lewis suggests they would have been better off letting Ron Perelman, the corporate raider, take over. Everyone but the boss. A familiar story.

(The markets would be far more peaceful if politicians kept their views on the future path of the dollar to themselves. In view of the high percentage of times they end up apologizing for, or modifying, their remarks, it is a wonder they don't stifle themselves.)
Trump.

Most of the time when markets move, no one has any idea why. A man who can tell a good story can make a good living as a broker. It was the job of people like me to make up reasons, to spin a plausible yarn.
Nobody knows anything for sure.

Risk is a commodity in itself. If you are able, as it were, to buy risk from one investor cheaply and sell it to another investor dearly, you can make money without taking any risk yourself. And this is what we did.

Investors shunned fallen angels out of a fear of seeming imprudent. It is a remarkably simple observation. Like Alexander, Milken noticed that investors were constrained by appearances and, as a result, had left a window of opportunity open for a trader who was not. Thus the herd instinct, the basis for so much human behavior, laid the foundation for a revolution in the world of money.
 
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  • Jun 23, 2023 9:50pm Jun 23, 2023 9:50pm
  •  clemmo17
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my list would contain futures mag, TASC mag, wyckoff and steve nisons book on candlesticks....the rest will turn you brains to mush LOL
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Which book by Nison? He has a few credits to his name.
 
 
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Quoting clemmo17
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{quote} Which book by Nison? He has a few credits to his name.
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i just read his first one but i think hes got 2 on candlesticks
stay with the 5% contrarians not the 95% losers
 
 
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  • Jun 23, 2023 10:35pm Jun 23, 2023 10:35pm
  •  clemmo17
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I might have some time to read a few books this summer. Only two trips planned, both family business related. If I’m being honest though, I feel like reading these would be procrastinating from writing my own. It seems daunting but once I actually start it might not be too much torture??? I just have to start a new routine.

These are the books that have been recommended to me so far that are candidates for the next reading list, if it materializes. Im also including my initial biased reactions to each one. Please add your favourite or something you’re curious about.

Toni Turner's Beginner's Guide to Day Trading Online (reluctant to read another beginners book because it will likely repeat what we already know)

Marcos Lopez de Predo's Advances in Financial Machine Learning (seems quite interesting but has niche appeal to algo traders, also likely fearsomely technical)

Debt Delusion: Evolution and Management of Financial Risk by Will Slatyer (too much economics? Recommended by our friend Peter Caleb so if we disagree with any findings we will literally never hear the end of it)

Debt: The First 5,000 Years by David Graeber (really interesting and Im already about 20% through. It’s mostly an explanation for the existence of currency, not really about trading and markets, at least not yet)

Unknown Market Wizards by Jack Schwager. (Too similar to other Wizards books? Probably still worth it)

The New Sell & Sell Short: How to Take Profits, Cut Losses and Benefit from Price Declines by Elder
(We’ve already done an Elder book. Will this really stand out? However the timing may be good)

Trading From Your Gut by Van K. Tharp
(Tharp is a theorist and recall what Graham and Buffett have to say about theory over experience)

The candlestick trading bible by Anonymous
(a book so good the author would not smear his name upon it. The most persistent trading legends are always built on these ‘lost text’ type of retellings. Compare with Gann)

Something by Steve Nison
(suggestions welcome. However my faith in candlesticks is nearly nil. If price has momentum it will make the patterns you want)

The remaining books were all recommended by Brent Donnelly who is definitely a “more info is better than less” kinda guy

Coates, John. The Hour Between Dog and Wolf: Risk Taking, Gut Feelings and the Biology of Boom and Bust. (Biology is different. Maybe too different)

Douglas, Mark. The Disciplined Trader: Developing Winning Attitudes. (Hated trading in the zone)

Douglas, Mark. Trading in the Zone: Master the Market with Confidence, Discipline and a Winning Attitude. (Hated this book on first reading. Just curious how I’ll react to a re-reading years later)

Gardner, Dan. Risk: The Science of Politics and Fear.
(too much like Kahneman and Tversky?)

Krakauer, Jon. Into the Wild.
(A fascinating story that I’ve mostly read from news articles, but are there lessons for traders?)

Pirsig, Robert. Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An
Inquiry into Values. (On my bucket list for a while but again, is it useful for trading? )

Thoreau, Henry David. Walden. (Same)

Roy Baumeister - Willpower: Rediscovering the Greatest Human Strength (a book on willlpower seems like a video course on how to do basketball slam dunks)

Daniel Kahneman’s ‘Thinking Fast and Slow
(We’ve pretty much covered this from all the other books. Most quoted book of the 21st century)

Annie Duke’s ‘Thinking in Bets’ (probably gold but its money management advice is well trod)
 
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  • Jun 23, 2023 10:36pm Jun 23, 2023 10:36pm
  •  clemmo17
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{quote} i just read his first one but i think hes got 2 on candlesticks
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Do you know the title of that one?
 
 
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  • Jun 23, 2023 10:44pm Jun 23, 2023 10:44pm
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{quote} Do you know the title of that one?
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it was 20 years ago when i first started so i dont remember...tho it might have been this one cause the cover looks familiar

https://pakyahussin.com/wp-content/u...Press-2001.pdf
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  • Jun 23, 2023 10:45pm Jun 23, 2023 10:45pm
  •  Zebi
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https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...ih=625&dpr=1.5
stay with the 5% contrarians not the 95% losers
 
 
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  • Jun 23, 2023 10:47pm Jun 23, 2023 10:47pm
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I got one green egg and ham from Dr. Seuss.
without patience how can you be a trader?
 
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  • Jun 23, 2023 11:13pm Jun 23, 2023 11:13pm
  •  clemmo17
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I got one green egg and ham from Dr. Seuss.
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It’s funny but a lot of valuable trading advice can be encapsulated as a children’s book.

This book is my wife’s and when I first read it I thought it’s a perfect primer for contrarian thinking. I now keep it beside my most precious trading volumes.
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  • Jun 24, 2023 1:08am Jun 24, 2023 1:08am
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I am going to add Tom Hougaard’s ‘“Best Loser Wins” as lots of factory attention on him lately with some big hits and misses. I might try to cover some of his YouTube material as well. I love the title of the book and the subtitle: “why normal thinking never wins the trading game.”
 
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  • Jun 24, 2023 1:28am Jun 24, 2023 1:28am
  •  clemmo17
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New poll is up. Will revisit in mid-July or so.
 
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  • Jun 24, 2023 10:23am Jun 24, 2023 10:23am
  •  Steverino832
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{quote} It’s funny but a lot of valuable trading advice can be encapsulated as a children’s book. This book is my wife’s and when I first read it I thought it’s a perfect primer for contrarian thinking. I now keep it beside my most precious trading volumes. {image}
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this made me smile, and yes I can see the contrarian thinking. in it great stuff!
without patience how can you be a trader?
 
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  •  Zebi
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i dont for the life of me know why your reading all these trading books. I hope its not to learn how to trade

i told the story of how i made the realization that all these authors are crap. 95% of beginners wouldnt be failing if anything in these books was relevant or helpful to a beginner. I threw all mine away... edwards and mcgee, schwager and even street smarts which is why im posting this LOL. I should have saved em cause theyre still sold on amazon for good money.


back in the day linda raschkes book street smarts had a great reputation and a big price LOL after about the second account i blew up i decided to buy her 275 dollar tome cause i thought at that price it must contain the holy grail of trading in its pages LOL....boy was i wrong.

i didnt start being successful in this game until i decided to trade like the old timers going back to charles dow. they made fortunes hand drawing their charts with just a pencil and graph paper at home from the stock prices published by newspapers.( I bet very few people even know that happened here on FF) so I switched to learning price action and using volume...or tape reading as livermore kept saying but a represention in candles ....thats all. ive said it before computers and all these stupid indicators that keep being made are whats responsible for the 95% failure rate. most traders like staying dumb and just wanting to have an automated system to trade for them while they drink beer at the beach all day. but anyways i digress LOL

heres a pdf of that famous book back in the late 90's and early 2000's that still sells for over 150 dollars on amazon LOL and isnt even worth 15 cents

http://dl.fxf1.com/files/books/engli...20Connors).pdf
stay with the 5% contrarians not the 95% losers
 
 
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i dont for the life of me know why your reading all these trading books. I hope its not to learn how to trade i told the story of how i made the realization that all these authors are crap. 95% of beginners wouldnt be failing if anything in these books was relevant or helpful to a beginner. I threw all mine away... edwards and mcgee, schwager and even street smarts which is why im posting this LOL. I should have saved em cause theyre still sold on amazon for good money. back in the day linda raschkes book street smarts had a great reputation...
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Here is my own observations in simple language - Being "bedazzled" these days is what keeps people from learning ..... ANYTHING actually. There is definitely a disconnection between the person's internal "workings" and what the outside "world" offers, promotes and pushes on people. As to Clemmo17's remark about that debt book and "if you disagree then you'll never hear the end of it" ..... What I see is this - most of you "people" really don't know the difference between a conversation and a discussion. One merely goes in circles and travels nowhere, while the other moves people in several differing ways, so the person actually learns in full. Because of this distinction, there is an enormous difference in information retention AND then, because of that, for many people, only pieces are understood. SO unfortunately IF the "reader" goes in holding tightly to a personal agenda, then they cannot and will not learn, only reflect and opinionate. See the difference yet?

So reading 1000 books means nothing if one's personal agenda interferes in the learning. There are times for specific learning and then there are times for general knowledge to be topped up. People of today have far too many caveats for your "opinions" and this too gets in the way of learning. So, whether you like it or not, SOME people have seen through the mist, to appreciate that everything has layers to it. If you are not filling those layers with the necessary "pieces" then you are merely satisfying you whims therefore no learning can occur. This is not my opinion it is based on real life from all history to present day. Ignore it at your own peril.

Learning is a lot more fun and interesting when you haven't conscripted any personal agenda.

So as I have stated before - speculators always look backwards and believe it's forwards, while others look back, here and forward to learn the lessons so they don't have to rely on shoddy information.

Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
 
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  • Jun 27, 2023 7:12am Jun 27, 2023 7:12am
  •  clemmo17
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Quoting Steverino832
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{quote} https://youtu.be/DIVZogtX1nA this made me smile, and yes I can see the contrarian thinking. in it great stuff!
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1. Swim against the crowd
2. Trade garbage for yummy bait but beware of hooks
3. Make a big splash

Im still working on making a big splash but I know I’ll need some whale’s help to do it thanks to Arty.
 
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  • Jun 27, 2023 7:15am Jun 27, 2023 7:15am
  •  clemmo17
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i dont for the life of me know why your reading all these trading books. I hope its not to learn how to trade i told the story of how i made the realization that all these authors are crap. 95% of beginners wouldnt be failing if anything in these books was relevant or helpful to a beginner. I threw all mine away... edwards and mcgee, schwager and even street smarts which is why im posting this LOL. I should have saved em cause theyre still sold on amazon for good money. back in the day linda raschkes book street smarts had a great reputation...
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I don’t disagree with too much here. But Is it possible you subconsciously retained some useful info from reading those books?
 
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  • Jun 27, 2023 12:54pm Jun 27, 2023 12:54pm
  •  Zebi
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Quoting clemmo17
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{quote} I don’t disagree with too much here. But Is it possible you subconsciously retained some useful info from reading those books?
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subconsciously?... sure
stay with the 5% contrarians not the 95% losers
 
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Another book whose lesson is easily understood but not as easily followed.
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