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Profitunity (Chaos) Trading System by Bill Williams

Quoting ac3w
And This ALL in OnePack all do you need, Enjoy and goodluck to all! {file}
thanks ,this is very nice system.
ac3w, thanks for your tools.
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} Je oller, desto doller! I will make a few more contributions to Bill Williams' indicators, and certainly no young trader will need them. What do you think, is it worth it?
Fortunately I am no young trader! But I will make intensive use of your BW tools again - right now I only use the mt4 standard BW template to judge the market. I only hope, it will not degrade at higher timeframes - I use D1, W1 and even monthly bars.

So thanks again
Swingman, do you consider an addition of the TDI indicator (Big E - Trading Made Simple thread) a good, viable and produceable idea?

Thanks
Quoting Forex37
Swingman, do you consider an addition of the TDI indicator (Big E - Trading Made Simple thread) a good, viable and produceable idea? Thanks
I have no experience with TDI. But in Trading Made Simple(r) I saw that one waived TDI.
One can probably do good trades with CCI or Woodie, Stochastic, simple RSI etc.
Important is the experience of the trader and not the indicators, so you are the master!
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} Nice, but if you only post parts of the charts, I can not make useful comments ... For retracements, maybe the PriceRetracement indicator will help? It's a very interesting indicator, but nobody uses it, even though almost a thousand people have downloaded it. Here the Alligator indicator version 1.2 with a small improvement, because the last bar was not drawn correctly for live prices. {image} {file}
Hello,

can you post that swingman chaos trend mode indicator?
Thanks.
D.
Quoting DirkH143
...Hello, can you post that swingman chaos trend mode indicator? Thanks. D.
I posted it here (#Post 859) nine years ago, nobody uses it ...
You will be the first!

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...85#post3931985
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} I posted it here (#Post 859) nine years ago, nobody uses it ... You will be the first! https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...85#post3931985
im using it Swingman sir,i am also recently started using OP indicator ,its very good,i was always a big fan of outside bar or engulfing bar,thanks for all contribution,its highly appreciated that we get it for free.
Quoting T4Trade
...im using it ....
That's nice to know!

What I mean is that so far no one has posted a chart where one can see how the indicator has worked.
Maybe I have other not yet posted tools, but there is no reason to post them.
Quoting T4Trade
{quote} thanks a lot,very good indicators u code and share,so generous of you. I am using 123 pattern indicator for retracement. {image}
Hi T4Trade,

What indicator you use that draw up and down arrows on the chart? Could you share it?
Quoting NoNonSenseFX
{quote} Hi T4Trade, What indicator you use that draw up and down arrows on the chart? Could you share it?
it is agimat 2020 system,it works like a semafor and it repaints,the only way to trade with this is to use other indicators for confirmation.
Finally found a way to make "chaos money".
You need Dynamic trader software though!!
Here´s a weekly chart, AUDUSD.
DT has a swing file function, where you can create and manipulate swings. So first I create a swing file, using the oscillator as a guide.
Then I mark the last swing and using 2 statistical routines from the software, I let it plot time areas, where statistically 80% of the last say 10 swings, the trend changed (as well as the oscillator).
The routines are called Tyme Rythm Zones, and Time Bands. Those are the colored segments in the oscillator window below.
Then I draw a "time square", where both routines overlap in the future.
As you can see from the squares, drawn from the previous little colored arrows, and previous swings, those squares are quite accurate.I could show you dozens of similar hits.
Once the time is reached, I go to the daily chart, wait for a DIVERGENCE in the oscillator, and take the first divergence signal.
THEN, I add aggressively using the First Chaos edition Book techniques, (Zones/AO, AC, Balance Line, and fractals.)
And ride the wave till the next weekly square. I also use a lot of EW and Fibos in time and price. It just works.
Adding aggresively using chaos makes my winners bigger, and my losers (fewer lots entered), smaller.
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Check this trade: AUDNZD, on a 12 Hour Bar (2 bars per day)
-Weekly OSC was OB
-Weekly Time Box was on (meaning statistical week swing high, time, was reached).
- WM1 Bar was DIVERGENT (very important filter, no divergence, no Wise Man in my book).
-After the first entry, I use BOTH BOOKS entries, all lots same size, same risk in $ to stop.
-WM1, WM2; WM3 from the second edition, AND all the other ones from the first edition.
-This campaign was 10 short entries, from the WM 1 till the place in the chart where I wrote "STOP adding."
-Once the daily Oscillator is OS (shown by the green bar below the DTF 8 oscillator, I stop adding positions.
-This trade was 10 entries altogether.
-Once the weekly Oscillator was OS, and I get a 12 H bullish oscillator reversal, I move my stop/TP to the top of that bar.

This move was approx. 8 times the pip profit than the whole move, would I have taken only one entry.
-My way of kkeping loosers small, winners big (the law number one in trading).
I trade 18 charts, mostly Forex, some commodities. Forex on 12 Hour charts, the others on Day charts.
Any time frame below is just too much stop running. Stop running happens even in the 12 hour. (nasty Big Boys ).

Just my 2 cents.
All the best.
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I think modified bollinger could help, what do you think?
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Caution, patience and balance.
I would forget about Bollinger and just learn how to use (count) the Elliot Wave using the AO, the Alligator and fractals. It's really all you need. Less is more. A guy on YouTube "ItradeAims" has a "how to count the ElliottWave in 10 seconds (free!) 3 part video course. Watch it and thank me later.

Also, a real game changer is the "RangeNoGapBar" (instead of time based bars). It will make your charts SING.
I found it here on another thread.

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...-charts?page=8

Good Luck!
Quoting booker21
Anyone still using this system successfully? I started using it but i found very discouraging that the main objective is to counter trend while in the past the alligator was actually used to always trade with the trend. I'm having a hard time to get into the 1st candle that start the trend, also the AO being the biggest position size turned me off, since this is very unreliable. Fractals that used to be the most reliable are no longer. This is why i'm looking of someone is still having success trading the same as the book 2ed implies or i should...
I am sorry to all for being so late I have being so much into trying find alternatives and answers through my research about a consistent trading method.

I quite agree with you, I am afraid that signals from chaos 1st edition are not used anymore they have already switched to chaos 2nd edition going counter trend with divergent bars followed by wise men signals and accelerator deceleration oscillator has been eliminated.

So I was discouraged too. Now someone said that chaos 1st edition it works on weekly time frame, should check and see. But I have my serious doubts about the timing usefulness of the Awesome oscillator, it is not that as timing tool since it is always lagging 3 - 4 candlesticks in futures indexes or crude oil contracts! Unless this is an advantage in the way that when you think you are reaching a high or low on your daily time frame then switch to a lower TF say 4 hours and wait for the cross of zero line signalling the beginning of a new wave or crossing its own SMA(5) signal line to exit from your trade or likewise prepare for the new one.

Furthermore I cannot still understand why the midpoint is used? Since the vast majority of the trading community is using the close of the session or time period also there are researches stressing on the importance of the closing price. Most of modern indicators, use EMAs on closing basis for smoothing why this one is using the SMA on midpoint, in his books he mentioned to have checked and tested the AO on mainframe computers he could do the same by checking the 5-34-5 EMA on closing basis which is same as 6-19-6 EMA on close devised by Gerald Appel for his buying signals! Since all these are more timely and give same indication for the wave 4 when it has to dive below or past above the zero line in order to be considered a valid 4th wave, or to see the divergent peak from wave 3 and 5!

I would not say that the Chaos 1st edition is strictly designed for daily TF though! The chaos 1st edition course is on YouTube please watch it is not offered anymore at profitunity.com , it is always combined with Elliott waves implying that you switch time frames so the wave you are looking at on your current time frame should have at least 90-120 candlesticks!

Furthermore the question here is to find someone who paid for this course back then in the beginning of 2000 and received some instruction from dr. Bill Williams and to tell us if he is successful at a constant - consistent basis after taking the course and tell us honestly if he is happy and if possible where are we wrong.
Quoting ac3w
And This ALL in OnePack all do you need, Enjoy and goodluck to all! {file}
Hello ac3w,

I'm back on the scene after many years of inactivity. I have been reading this kinda old but very informative thread. I found your indicator set but Im unable to use them because they have expired like 2 years ago. Will it be possible to repost it with fresh dates?
If you are looking for a forex book, ask me!
Hi There,

Can you please share the sourcecode of these indicators. We want to try few optimisation.

Thanks

Quoting ac3w
{quote} Hallo buddy... uncheck for Chart On Foreground and use Bar Chart not a Candle Chart for use this indicator {file} and this for assitant {file} This information for all forex market : Note : insert one by one the indicator and type symbol anything do you want to trade. {image} this for pullback ( prepared for Balance line trading, prepared wave 3 or wave 5) {file} this for crossing Alligator ( high trend after failed breakout! ) {file} this for sideway,correction wave, identify wave 4 or sleeping Alligator ( prepared for Breakout! ){file}...
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