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  • Nov 20, 2013 10:48am Nov 20, 2013 10:48am
  •  marvas
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G/U Bearish

price being increased on highs with high volume above half number...
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  •  marvas
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{quote} Told cha!
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Well spotted

Mine was a short term trade strictly out of boredom. Got some other positions shorting A/U, G/U and N/U.. these are more long term
 
 
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  • Nov 20, 2013 10:50am Nov 20, 2013 10:50am
  •  sonicdeejay
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Quoting traderathome
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{quote} Told cha!
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Great as always..


Sonic
 
 
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  • Nov 20, 2013 10:55am Nov 20, 2013 10:55am
  •  marvas
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{quote} Told Cha.. lovely.. Sonic {image} {image}
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i'm also in this trade looking at a TP of around the 133.5** area. Is that logical?
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  • Nov 20, 2013 10:59am Nov 20, 2013 10:59am
  •  loeil
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{quote} i'm also in this trade looking at a TP of around the 133.5** area. Is that logical? {image}
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Yeah, this the first potential TP area. I hope that UJ comes and helps EJ to fall more
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  • Nov 20, 2013 11:08am Nov 20, 2013 11:08am
  •  fex
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The Yao-Ming Power
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  • Edited 11:37am Nov 20, 2013 11:22am | Edited 11:37am
  •  traderathome
  • Joined Mar 2008 | Status: PVSRA with Traderathome | 23,074 Posts
EU and UChf:

Take note of the price action relative to the trend lines drawn. Now take note of the volume, which is high as the price was pushed to these TL areas. Next, take note where the pushes ended relative to S&R other than the TLs. In the case of EU, the price almost made it to a half number SR. In the case of UChf, it did! Individually, these items might not hold much weight, but together it becomes a case that the MMs are bulls on EU and took the price lower to add longs, and they are bears on UChf and took the price higher to add shorts.

Time will tell, as the price action in these pushes might not be over with. A "second wind" head fake push thru these TL areas might be just the ticket the MMs have planned, in order to create even more liquidity for their position building. I know, these "channels" look like a Bear Channel on EU to suck in longs, and a Bull Channel on UChf to suck in shorts. More the better this is to outsmart traders that will see this and do the opposite by going short EU and long UChf, which might be the MMs strategy, since they know everyone will be looking at these formations and will be trying to outsmart the MMs. So, if the MMs execute head fakes, traders will divine themselves smart and jump in, in those directions!

Having fun here, folks. Let's wait and see what the market provides.
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  • Nov 20, 2013 11:28am Nov 20, 2013 11:28am
  •  loeil
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UCHF - long. {image}
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UCHF - longs closed for 105 pips gain
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  •  Tymedu
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{quote} GM guys. Great analysis TAH, however I would like to write here my 2 cents and my vision about the EU. Right now, MMs are working trying to win some liquidity. Why? They know that the price is in a critical point and there is a lot of people with their eyes on it. Of course, MMs target is to try to shake out the price. Take a look at the image I attach. We had a 3 push uptrend, quite clear and after that we started a downtrend. Price behaviour is most of the time symmetrical and fractal so I'm expecting a 3 push downtrend. We had the first...
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I want my told cha too

Crystal clear
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  • Nov 20, 2013 11:45am Nov 20, 2013 11:45am
  •  traderathome
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UJ:

Still a short situation. Look at the volume associated with the price strike back up thru the whole number SR. That is a PVSRA indication the MMs are bears, and after all this time their selling has to be selling to open shorts rather than selling to close longs. Just my take on it.
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  •  traderathome
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{quote} I want my told cha too Crystal clear {image}
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You don't get your "told cha" until we see how this really moves, whether this was genuine selling and it later progresses on down per your indications, or whether it was a liquidity creation drive so the MMs could add longs and it later progresses back up and further up. The MMs are not done screwing people here, yet.

After all, just look at the DAY chart. What a perfect place to push the price back down to in order to stop out longs and suck in shorts,....all for liquidity for the MMs to add longs! And, the volume on this push down,.......well, it stinks! This smells like nothing more than the dirty rotten stinking big banks set buy orders down there, and the greedy lackey market makers obliged.

The low volume say a lot about this price manipulation! If this had been a genuine sell-off, the volume would have been far greater, and the volume would not have been greatest at the lows after the price push down, as it is in this case, confirmed on the M1 PVA chart!
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  • Nov 20, 2013 12:00pm Nov 20, 2013 12:00pm
  •  c49
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{quote} If you want to analyse the volume I recommend you to go into charts smaller than H1. H1 and bigger you will have less details because they reflect the session activity more than important volume zones. However in that chart was pretty clear the zone, but it's not the standard. In this image, I went down to the M15 chart, which is the one that I normally use for volume analysis. What do you think about this image and where would you think the price will go? For me, this is a perfect example about how MM works. I divided the chart in 2 where...
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CrystalClear analysing of the marketmoves.
 
 
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  • Nov 20, 2013 12:15pm Nov 20, 2013 12:15pm
  •  JRissa
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EU and UChf: Take note of the price action relative to the trend lines drawn. Now take note of the volume, which is high as the price was pushed to these TL areas. Next, take note where the pushes ended relative to S&R other than the TLs. In the case of EU, the price almost made it to a half number SR. In the case of UChf, it did! Individually, these items might not hold much weight, but together it becomes a case that the MMs are bulls on EU and took the price lower to add longs, and they are bears on UChf and took the price higher to add shorts....
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I'm with you on this one Professor.
Just closed short trade and swithed to long again. This rapid move with ultrahigh volume and stalling right after seems like fakey...
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  • Nov 20, 2013 12:17pm Nov 20, 2013 12:17pm
  •  JRissa
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UJ: This is a Classic short setup. {image}
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See the potential H/S?
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  • Nov 20, 2013 12:20pm Nov 20, 2013 12:20pm
  •  Tymedu
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{quote} You don't get your "told cha" until we see how this really moves, whether this was genuine selling and it later progresses on down per your indications, or whether it was a liquidity creation drive so the MMs could add longs and it later progresses back up and further up. The MMs are not done screwing people here, yet.
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Fair enough.

And I agree, FOMC minutes will shake the price out probably with nice wicks and so on. I decided to close my shorts to open them again later. If I'm right I will get a better entry + secured profits and if I'm wrong well, then I will just have my profits banked .
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  • Nov 20, 2013 12:26pm Nov 20, 2013 12:26pm
  •  traderathome
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{quote} I'm with you on this one Professor. Just closed short trade and swithed to long again. This rapid move with ultrahigh volume and stalling right after seems like fakey... {image}
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EU (and UChf, since being opposite):

The MMs finally worked the price below the half number that is below the TL. And lookie, lookie at the volume once they did! Imho today was not a high volume sell-off. It was a low volume market makers manipulated push down to fill big bank buy orders at this significant S&R area that stands out on the DAY chart.
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  • Nov 20, 2013 12:31pm Nov 20, 2013 12:31pm
  •  Taxi Driver
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MM-s?
Do they really target 6% of market called retailers? They must be really bored then.

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  •  traderathome
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MM-s? Do they really target 6% of market called retailers? They must be really bored then. {image}
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Taxi Driver,

Why would you make the stupid assumption that they do? The big banks set orders so they can make profits. And the market makers try and fill them for commissions and for personal trading profits as they manipulate prices to fill the orders of the big banks.

I think your assumption is invalid. I don't know where you spend your time, but nobody here subscribes to that ridiculous idea!

Market moves are all about obtaining liquidity to build positions, and then about moving the price to profit by those positions. The big banks place the dominating orders where they want to build, and where they want to cash in. And the market makers work to make it happen as best they can. Retailers are just fodder for the grist mill. If they get sucked in, they get ground up just like everyone else.

Funny how you have mentioned your preoccupation with that crazy idea before, in some post of yours here. But, you only drop in occasionally. This was your last post, I think. In any case, your implied prediction did not work out so well, did it:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7089894#post7089894
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I'd suggest, if you aspire to be a Sonicer, then join and stop these silly posts of yours. Otherwise, why do you bother to come here at all? Maybe you should just stick to those other threads you pop in and out of.


-tah
 
 
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  • Nov 20, 2013 12:48pm Nov 20, 2013 12:48pm
  •  loeil
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EU - weakness in the air. {image}
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Chart don't lie..
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  • Nov 20, 2013 1:06pm Nov 20, 2013 1:06pm
  •  traderathome
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Another Look at UChf:

Remember, this is the mirror opposite of EU. If this drops, EU rises.

This H&S was in play. Now the price has been whisked back up on low volume, with the volume then increasing once the new highs were attained. Hence, the banks put sell orders up there? Why? Because they see the potential for more profits by stalling the completion of the H&S formation and loading up with more shorts at a higher price again before sending the price down to the target. The market makers made the price jump to start filling those orders. Why? Same reason. Commissions and personal profits on their own trades as they move prices up and down to fill bank orders.

I should not be surprised if the price drops below RWL, a nice 150+ pips bear swing back down. And if that happens, EU will be going up!
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