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  • #4,061
  • May 29, 2017 8:07am May 29, 2017 8:07am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} I just watched "Unthinkable" .... an interesting take on the disconnect between the various security agencies in the USA. ...and by way of education for Jen, Gog I know you will like this! https://youtu.be/AUO_5EALZoM
LOL - My favourite track EVER - Am I really that transparent.
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  • #4,062
  • May 29, 2017 8:46am May 29, 2017 8:46am
Quoting Magog
{quote} LOL - My favourite track EVER - Am I really that transparent.
Can't think what gave me the idea.....
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  • #4,063
  • May 29, 2017 9:35am May 29, 2017 9:35am
Quoting Magog
Manchester bomber wanted revenge' for US air strikes in Syria, sister says : Think its called blowback Every action has a reaction http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/25/salman-abedi-wanted-revenge-us-air-strikes-syriamanchester-bombers/
I think its called bull shit.
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  • #4,064
  • May 29, 2017 9:38am May 29, 2017 9:38am
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  • #4,065
  • May 29, 2017 10:11am May 29, 2017 10:11am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} I think its called bull shit.
Maybe so - Why do you think he did it?
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  • #4,066
  • May 29, 2017 10:18am May 29, 2017 10:18am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Maybe so - Why do you think he did it?
He was a follower of the death cult. These things don't take much to understand.

Cultures should not mix. And the death cult culture has no business in the west.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #4,067
  • May 29, 2017 11:17am May 29, 2017 11:17am
Quoting spzd
{quote} He was a follower of the death cult. These things don't take much to understand. Cultures should not mix. And the death cult culture has no business in the west.
What is a ''death cult''

Do you mean ISIS who were trying to build a Caliphate from the Euphrates to the Tigris. Not much point getting everyone to commit suicide if you also want them to build a new homeland is there?
As an aside I know of another group who want to build a new state from the Euphrates to the Nile - co-incidence??

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/07/isis-papers-guardian-syria-iraq-bureaucracy

Sorry I just don't buy the random suicide story - it is much much more complicated than that.
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  • #4,068
  • May 29, 2017 11:33am May 29, 2017 11:33am
Quoting Magog
{quote} What is a ''death cult'' Do you mean ISIS who were trying to build a Caliphate from the Euphrates to the Tigris. Not much point getting everyone to commit suicide if you also want them to build a new homeland is there? As an aside I know of another group who want to build a new state from the Euphrates to the Nile - co-incidence?? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/07/isis-papers-guardian-syria-iraq-bureaucracy Sorry I just don't buy the random suicide story - it is much much more complicated than that.
Not everyone buys the official stories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2syRAIMME&feature=em-lss
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  • #4,069
  • May 29, 2017 11:54am May 29, 2017 11:54am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Maybe so - Why do you think he did it?
Mag I know what you are saying about the "Why's" but what do we the ordinary people do ? We had no say on war with Iraq etc etc..... I honestly don't think it is the whole story. This is deep rooted, this is old, like Crusades old. Just like we have/find excuses to justify certain actions, they have/find excuses to justify their actions. If we strip away the excuses from both sides we still see a gap wider than the Grand Canyon in terms of cultural differences. It really should be "never the twain shall meet". So again I ask you what do we do about it domestically ? Do we continue to accept this nonsense and roll over and say we did some bad shit so now we will accommodate all your demands and allow your numbers to reach levels which will ultimately result in no more Britain ? Do we continue to allow the parasitical behaviour to continue ? Draining resources, welfare benefits, school places, translators, renaming historical calendar events, this list could go on but sure you get the picture. What do we do ?
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  • #4,070
  • Edited May 30, 2017 1:07am May 29, 2017 1:00pm | Edited May 30, 2017 1:07am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Mag I know what you are saying about the "Why's" but what do we the ordinary people do ? We had no say on war with Iraq etc etc..... I honestly don't think it is the whole story. This is deep rooted, this is old, like Crusades old. Just like we have/find excuses to justify certain actions, they have/find excuses to justify their actions. If we strip away the excuses from both sides we still see a gap wider than the Grand Canyon in terms of cultural differences. It really should be "never the twain shall meet". So again I ask you what do...
This pretty much reflects my views on Islam - Sunni and Wahabists anyway.

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/05/24/cut-the-crap-islamic-terrorism/#more-151040

''what'' we can do about it is more dificult bc we keep voting for assholes like Bliar/ Cameraon and next T Maybe. I agree with the comment by someone else on this thread about it being too late for the UK we are truly fcuk'd - The indiginous pop of this country stopped icreasing in the 50's at abt 50 mil - it's now abt 75 mil, that means that 30% of the Uk is immigrant or the offspring of immigrants.
How we ever gonna deport 25 mil ppl - not gonna happen - In my grandchildrens lifetimes they will become ethnic minorities in their own country - thats why I keep telling my kids to emigrate.
Do you know how many Muslim mayors there are in Uk - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Muslims#Mayors This is now - look again in 10 yesrs.

I was born in Luton and in those days there were NO immigrants - absolutely NONE - Look at it now - that will happen is happening all across the UK
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  • #4,071
  • May 29, 2017 1:01pm May 29, 2017 1:01pm
Quoting jarhead
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I'd like to dedicate this to Danny Mambretti. We lived in the same area, went to school together, and served in Vietnam at the same time. Unfortunately, he didn't make it home.

http://www.virtualwall.org/dm/MambrettiDI01a.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ZCvBct6lA
  • #4,072
  • May 29, 2017 1:41pm May 29, 2017 1:41pm
Quoting Pips_Cruiser
{quote} I'd like to dedicate this to Danny Mambretti. We lived in the same area, went to school together, and served in Vietnam at the same time. Unfortunately, he didn't make it home. http://www.virtualwall.org/dm/MambrettiDI01a.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ZCvBct6lA
Remembrance is a fine and noble thing to do but we should also remember the mistakes we made and try not to repeat them.

Unfortunaley we never learn the lessons of history and are doomed to keep repeating them.
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #4,073
  • May 29, 2017 2:47pm May 29, 2017 2:47pm
Quoting Magog
{quote} This pretty much reflects my views on Islam - Sunni and Wahabists anyway. https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/05/24/cut-the-crap-islamic-terrorism/#more-151040 ''what'' we can do about it is more dificult bc we keep voting for assholes like Bliar/ Cameraon and next T Maybe. I agree with the comment by someone else on this thread about it being too late for the UK we are truly fcuk'd - The indiginous pop of this country stopped icreasing in the 50's at abt 50 mil - it's now abt 75 mil, that means that 30% of the Uk is immigrant...
Ok again agree with much of that except for the point that we are beyond the pale. Obviously I understand the numbers game and have banged on about it for a long time but I still have glimmer of hope that we can turn things round by at the very least dealing with the elephant in the room and obviously this will never be done by the voting of any political party but it could be done by militia and disillusioned military personnel to which I believe the numbers are growing at a rate of knots. Basically civil war and winner takes all.
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  • #4,074
  • May 29, 2017 2:51pm May 29, 2017 2:51pm
Quoting Pips_Cruiser
{quote} I'd like to dedicate this to Danny Mambretti. We lived in the same area, went to school together, and served in Vietnam at the same time. Unfortunately, he didn't make it home. http://www.virtualwall.org/dm/MambrettiDI01a.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ZCvBct6lA
Hi Ron.
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  • #4,075
  • May 29, 2017 3:46pm May 29, 2017 3:46pm
Quoting Magog
{quote} What is a ''death cult''
Nope. Just your average moslem. They are bound by their so called "holy book" to commit jihad or to support it. They are not compatible with western culture and should never have been allowed into our countries.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #4,076
  • Edited 9:13pm May 29, 2017 8:36pm | Edited 9:13pm
Quoting Magog
{quote} Remembrance is a fine and noble thing to do but we should also remember the mistakes we made and try not to repeat them. Unfortunaley we never learn the lessons of history and are doomed to keep repeating them.
If we really are "doomed to keep repeating them", then it wouldn't do much good to "remember the mistakes we made and try not to repeat them". We would keep on repeating them no matter how much we reminded ourselves.

But if there is a reasonable chance we can learn from our past mistakes, then it becomes useful to remember them. I tend to think we're not doomed.
  • #4,077
  • May 30, 2017 1:01am May 30, 2017 1:01am
Quoting Pips_Cruiser
{quote} If we really are "doomed to keep repeating them", then it wouldn't do much good to "remember the mistakes we made and try not to repeat them". We would keep on repeating them no matter how much we reminded ourselves. But if there is a reasonable chance we can learn from our past mistakes, then it becomes useful to remember them. I tend to think we're not doomed.
America(and UK) have been sending their young men off to die in pointless wars since US Independence - The main reason for that IMHO is that war is Big business and it makes a lot of money for the bankers(All wars are bankers wars(google it))
This will not change until we change our financial system of fractional reserve banking and that won't/can't happen anytime soon(JMHO again).
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #4,078
  • May 30, 2017 2:23am May 30, 2017 2:23am
Quoting Magog
{quote} America(and UK) have been sending their young men off to die in pointless wars since US Independence - The main reason for that IMHO is that war is Big business and it makes a lot of money for the bankers(All wars are bankers wars(google it)) This will not change until we change our financial system of fractional reserve banking and that won't/can't happen anytime soon(JMHO again).
Wars have been going on since long before the US independence. The world has been shaped by conquests for thousands of years. With or without banks, religions, and politicians.

I've been reading about World War I lately, and to me it looks like the past 100 years have been shaped by it and it's aftermath. It led almost directly to WWII, because of the way Germany was dealt with. The winners divided up the world each time, creating new problems waiting to happen in Europe, Asia and the Mid-East. America came out ahead in the deal, and they've enjoyed some time as a superpower. But it's too expensive to be the world's policeman, and people can't agree anymore on what's worth fighting for and what's not. What seems like helping allies or saving innocent lives to some, is just pointless aggression or sticking our nose into other people's business to others. I wouldn't mind seeing the EU, Russia, and China step up and provide security for their regions from now on. Let the US concentrate on North and South America.
  • #4,079
  • May 30, 2017 2:27am May 30, 2017 2:27am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Hi Ron.
Hey Stu! ...
  • #4,080
  • May 30, 2017 2:32am May 30, 2017 2:32am
Quoting Pips_Cruiser
{quote} Wars have been going on since long before the US independence. The world has been shaped by conquests for thousands of years. With or without banks, religions, and politicians. I've been reading about World War I lately, and to me it looks like the past 100 years have been shaped by it and it's aftermath. It led almost directly to WWII, because of the way Germany was dealt with. The winners divided up the world each time, creating new problems waiting to happen in Europe, Asia and the Mid-East. America came out ahead in the deal, and they've...
Agreed - except for the fact that US has invested a lot of money in the Arms industry and military - Do you realise how much US spends on ''war'' every year - last time I looked it was abt 50c on every dollar of tax revenue.
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