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  • #3,561
  • May 2, 2017 11:05am May 2, 2017 11:05am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello dougiewins. Thank you for answering 666fx's question. I couldn't have said it better really. 666FX, Hello and welcome to T.I.O.F Good to meet you. As has been said, particularly for the daytrader, knowing the environments of the market are important. Starting out, placing orders just before fundamental data releases may be quite challenging As one gets better, and understands the orderflow that occurs just before these data releases, one can absolutely consider specific zones, but what is key in all of this is understanding the type...
Good afternoon akt. Hope your well sir. Picking up on some of these key points of advice. Could you kindly explain a little bit more about how experiance can help pick out specific levels, How does one recognise these levels. Are they well structured and completely untouched fresh zones? I know this is not easy as you've mentioned the mindset also has to be prepered for these quick fire volatile trades. Do you have any more wise words for us day traders on the mindset required that could help us sir.

as always your feedback is appreciated
  • #3,562
  • May 2, 2017 12:08pm May 2, 2017 12:08pm
Quoting here4dapips
{quote} Good afternoon akt. Hope your well sir. Picking up on some of these key points of advice. Could you kindly explain a little bit more about how experiance can help pick out specific levels, How does one recognise these levels. Are they well structured and completely untouched fresh zones? I know this is not easy as you've mentioned the mindset also has to be prepered for these quick fire volatile trades. Do you have any more wise words for us day traders on the mindset required that could help us sir. as always your feedback is appreciated...
Hi Pips
Ok, here is the thing, every trader has a personality that suits them. The mindsets we have and use productively in our usual every day lives often don't work when it comes to speculating in the markets. Let us always remember that point, we are speculators. The term "trader" has come into mainstream so much that there is now a large school of opinion that tries to make this out into some sort of exact science. It is really not.
Using the term "speculator" always keeps me in the mindset that i am making a speculation on what is going to happen in a market.
Even with all the analysis in the world and all the experience in the world, the speculator will often be wrong. He/she must understand that.
How he or she mitigates and manages those periods when he is wrong is the holy grail

The good thing about S.A.D is that regardless of timeframe, the process is the same.
It is in the process you want to invest your time Pips.
What is your process?

If i took away the name of a chart and the time frame as i have done below, can you tell me which one is a 5min chart and which one is the 240min chart?

The trader trading smaller timeframes must be ready to be nimble, must understand the moves he seeks will often be short lived and so he must be ready to act accordingly.The lower in timeframe he goes the smaller the moves will likely be and he/she must be ready to take advantage of that.

I hope that helps

best wishes
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  • #3,563
  • May 2, 2017 12:12pm May 2, 2017 12:12pm
Quoting loveandpeace
Hi Akt! How many candles should be there to form a S/D ZONE minimum??? Do you consider wick/shadow??? Which TF is best to find a perfect Zone?? Plz advise. thanks & take care.
Hello loveandpeace

There is no perfect timeframe or perfect zone. No such thing.
The supply and demand zones we look for ideally should have price spend as little time at that level as possible, i use 6 periods, some SAD traders use 7, some less.
The wick of a candle is part of price action and means trades did occur at those prices represented by the wicks, people traded those levels so, yes, we use them

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,564
  • May 2, 2017 12:39pm May 2, 2017 12:39pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hi Pips Ok, here is the thing, every trader has a personality that suits them. The mindsets we have and use productively in our usual every day lives often don't work when it comes to speculating in the markets. Let us always remember that point, we are speculators. The term"trader" has come into mainstream so much thatthere is now a large school of opinion that tries to make this out into some sort of exact science. It isreally not. Using the term "speculator" always keeps me in the mindset that i am making a speculation on what is going...
Thanks sir i can't tell you how much you have helped me over the last year with your wise words that to many of us here are nothing less then pearls of wisdom.

If i understood correctly are you saying the "holy grail is discipline? If so I couldn't agree more.

As for your question not sure if it was rhetorical but I would think that the left is 240m and the right is 5m Due to the fluctuating pa.
  • #3,565
  • May 2, 2017 12:44pm May 2, 2017 12:44pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello loveandpeace There is no perfect timeframe or perfect zone. No such thing. The supply and demand zones we look for ideally should have price spend as little time at that level as possible, i use 6 periods, some SAD traders use 7, some less. The wick of a candle is part of price action and means trades did occur at those prices represented by the wicks, people traded those levels so, yes, we use them best wishes
im trading off daily charts,,,i took a short on aud/nzd,,,at 1.0895,,,,,,TP 1.0733,,,do these levels seem correct on the daily?

thank you
  • #3,566
  • May 2, 2017 12:46pm May 2, 2017 12:46pm
Quoting here4dapips
{quote} Thanks sir i can't tell you how much you have helped me over the last year with your wise words that to many of us here are nothing less then pearls of wisdom. If i understood correctly are you saying the "holy grail is discipline? If so I couldn't agree more. As for your question not sure if it was rhetorical but I would think that the left is 240m and the right is 5m Due to the fluctuating pa.


240min charts fluctuate too but you guessed right

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,567
  • May 2, 2017 12:48pm May 2, 2017 12:48pm
Quoting tony1200
{quote} im trading off daily charts,,,i took a short on aud/nzd,,,at 1.0895,,,,,,TP 1.0733,,,do these levels seem correct on the daily? thank you
hello tony1200

it would help the fellas if you posted your analysis for coming to the conclusion to short.
Post it up and i am sure the guys will be happy to give feedback

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,568
  • May 2, 2017 12:54pm May 2, 2017 12:54pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} hello tony1200 it would help the fellas if you posted your analysis for coming to the conclusion to short. Post it up and i am sure the guys will be happy to give feedback best wishes
ok thank you,,,im not at my PC atm,,( cannot post charts from my I phone!,,) I just wanted to see if my levels are drawn correctly on the daily chart for aud/nzd....
  • #3,569
  • May 2, 2017 2:44pm May 2, 2017 2:44pm
OATS trade closed with loss.

Dear traders,
I want to share my trade. I lost, because I did not put my target properly, well I had no target. I am reading this thread from beginning and now I have found where to place first target. First fresh opposite zone in entry time frame. I have description of my thoughts in picture.
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Trade idea can be found HERE. Feel free to comment.
  • #3,570
  • May 2, 2017 3:34pm May 2, 2017 3:34pm
this is what i do for target ive learned it from a few traders

1st the market must move away from fresh zone at least 3times the size of the zone it created

so if the zone created is 20 pips the move away must be at least 60 pips

once market comes back for 1st touch - enter trade with set and forget or manual entry

if it doesn't give you at least a 3-1 move away then its probably not worth trading

looks like you got stopped out with a big wick candle - possible news ?
  • #3,571
  • May 2, 2017 3:42pm May 2, 2017 3:42pm
Hello everyone

S&P500 trade today

best wishes
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  • #3,572
  • May 2, 2017 4:40pm May 2, 2017 4:40pm
from aud usd thread earlier

looking for market to hit demand target on 30m timeframe

looks like we have pull back to fib 61.8 of 1st push away

if it holds this is classic divergence within sad areas and should hit its target area below

only issue like all systems on lower time frames its very noisy/choppy

watching with interest
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  • #3,573
  • May 2, 2017 4:55pm May 2, 2017 4:55pm
Quoting Winston2017
from aud usd thread earlier looking for market to hit demand target on 30m timeframe looks like we have pull back to fib 61.8 of 1st push away if it holds this is classic divergence within sad areas and should hit its target area below only issue like all systems on lower time frames its very noisy/choppy watching with interest {image}
Hello Winston2017
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the AUDUSD.

Could i ask please, that you include the top-down analysis with your posts so your idea can serve as educational for the fellas and felletes reading the thread please.
Also, remember what was discussed - S.A.D analysis is always the decision driving tool
The addition of fibs would be a sort of odds enhancer for you since you have some experience using them and have criteria they must fulfill.
The driving methodology for the thread remains S.A.D, just so the newer readers of the thread can focus and follow along with one methodology, which is where the top down S.A.D analysis would be of great help

thank you very much for sharing your idea.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,574
  • May 2, 2017 8:35pm May 2, 2017 8:35pm
Hi fellow traders hope all is well with everyone! Firstly AKT i'm sorry i missed the webinar on Saturday i was up at 5:00am but all the networks were down in my street so angry no internet so i toddled back to bed I have posted AUDNZD daily and 1 hour charts , i took a short on this as i only trade confirmation trades i'm not a set and forget type personality Maybe in time i will be any comments on the charts would be appreciated. I think tony1200 also took this trade.


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We have one life make the most of it !
  • #3,575
  • May 2, 2017 9:01pm May 2, 2017 9:01pm
Quoting jgk
Hi fellow traders hope all is well with everyone! Firstly AKT i'm sorry i missed the webinar on Saturday i was up at 5:00am but all the networks were down in my street so angry no internet so i toddled back to bed I have posted AUDNZD daily and 1 hour charts , i took a short on this as i only trade confirmation trades i'm not a set and forget type personality Maybe in time i will be any comments on the charts would be appreciated. I think tony1200 also took this trade. {image} {image} We have one life make the most of...
hi...
I have the same levels on the daily chart!,,,do you think price will pause near 1.0733 before its demand zone 1.0657?
  • #3,576
  • May 3, 2017 3:24am May 3, 2017 3:24am
@Akt

hi akt re my post - sorry should have made it clearer

it was in reply to dougwins post " he was in on 30m time frame
Hey dudes & dudettes,

" This is the AUDUSD trade I took yesterday, I'm still in the trade waiting for it to hit the first demand zone it comes across. Let me know what you think...."

when i had a look at it dougwins had done top down and was pointing out he was still in the trade ? let me know what you think

i had spotted some divergence and tried to show it on the chart -- probably badly

basically, the trade was sad - then i added divergence i guess the divergence can give extra confluence?

the fibs are part of divergence set up - i dont use them any other time tbh ..

there maybe smaller time frame sad rules running in conjunction with divergence -

the divergence setups i use are very different from the norm and have multi time frame rules , but the theory behind it is -- the market has to give it all back to the start of the rally before div started ... see image

i can add some other examples if anyone is interested -- but just to stress im only looking at divergence within sad set ups

apologies if ive ran of thread or confused anyone -- but i can explain and add examples if anyone wants to learn it

ps i will try do top down if i spot anything - hopefully can help
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  • #3,577
  • May 3, 2017 7:03am May 3, 2017 7:03am
Good morning everyone, here is my charts for UJ, please correct me if im wrong

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regards
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  • May 3, 2017 7:47am May 3, 2017 7:47am
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My apologise if this not allowed on the thread. Thought it might make a few smile.
  • #3,579
  • May 3, 2017 8:38am May 3, 2017 8:38am
Hello andddres1, Akt and fellow traders,

For USD/JPY discussion,

I'm thinking Daily is now Up Trend as Supply Zone was removed and may be able to draw up momentum line. Only Weekly Supply Zone has the force to stop it. Currently, it is higher probability to look for long setups in lower time frame.

Thanks

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Quoting andddres1
Good morning everyone, here is my charts for UJ, please correct me if im wrong {image} regards
"The markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solv
  • #3,580
  • May 3, 2017 9:28am May 3, 2017 9:28am
Quoting shyean
Hello andddres1, Akt and fellow traders, For USD/JPY discussion, I'm thinking Daily is now Up Trend as Supply Zone was removed and may be able to draw up momentum line. Only Weekly Supply Zone has the force to stop it. Currently, it is higher probability to look for long setups in lower time frame. Thanks {image} {image} {quote}
Thank you!

By the way, has anybody tried this methodology with range bars?
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