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  • #2,821
  • May 2, 2017 11:55am May 2, 2017 11:55am
Quoting bauta
{quote} Set Resume NTZD=false and then continue managing the cycle manually. see this post: https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...80#post8783980
I know that but i am asking why EA 037 can't manage orders in NTZD case, while it was doing it nicely in past versions.
Seams you are not going to spend any time on Symmetry anymore.

Thanks
Mohsen
  • #2,822
  • May 2, 2017 4:28pm May 2, 2017 4:28pm
Quoting Mohsen-b
{quote} I know that but i am asking why EA 037 can't manage orders in NTZD case, while it was doing it nicely in past versions. Seams you are not going to spend any time on Symmetry anymore. Thanks Mohsen
Note that NTZD has not been changed.
How use it?
Set ResumeNTZd=false
Set NeutralizeBalancePercent to a value. I do recommend 60 or more.
after the cycle neutralize, then manage it manually as more as possible.
if market conditions comes back, then change ResumeNTZd=true and NeutralizeBalancePercent =0, then EG104 will ignore the neutralization and will continue normally.
note that EG104 may not open new orders due to lock of money, not because NTZD is not working. always look at the log files before judgments.

For all readers, note I do not use neutralization and I do not recommend it. I created it because you ask for, but I never get out a neutralization without loosing money.
what I do recommend is to well capitalize your account.
bauta
  • #2,823
  • May 2, 2017 4:37pm May 2, 2017 4:37pm
Quoting Mohsen-b
{quote} I know that but i am asking why EA 037 can't manage orders in NTZD case, while it was doing it nicely in past versions. Seams you are not going to spend any time on Symmetry anymore. Thanks Mohsen
Symmetry? I did test, demo and trade symmetry for the entire 2016 year. I did get the best of it. The symmetry mode is not forgotten, it is completed.
now I am working in channel mode, I am optimizing it, the same I did with symmetry.
when I do finish studding and optimization channel, I do plan to go with multi mode. (symmetry and channel together)
Why it takes so long? We need to interact with the broker, understand how they trap us, latency, spread, swap, etc. It takes time and must be done with real accounts, not only demo accounts.
after completed, we will have the best of both modes.
I see channel performing better than symmetry, just for now.
  • #2,824
  • May 3, 2017 2:58pm May 3, 2017 2:58pm
H All, as anyone got any good set files for any of bautas 104-034 to 037c ? lets all share and help each other, I was going to start the ball rolling with my best set but it said " File not Supported " ? sorry I tried
Geoff
  • #2,825
  • May 12, 2017 10:56am May 12, 2017 10:56am
Quoting bauta
{quote} Version 037c? When EA is in channel mode, dynamic is true and opened orders are 6 or greater, the EA contracts instead of expand creating a diamond. The idea is to trap the market. Interesting results: {image}
Is that your new Channel-Contraction TE and have you changed s_WeightDirection to false in your Symmetry TE now?

Happy trading, jdva
I never lose - either I win or I learn...
  • #2,826
  • May 13, 2017 10:33am May 13, 2017 10:33am
Quoting jdva
{quote} Is that your new Channel-Contraction TE and have you changed s_WeightDirection to false in your Symmetry TE now? Happy trading, jdva
s_WeightDirection parameter is for symmetry mode only. it does not apply for channel mode.
  • #2,827
  • May 14, 2017 3:01am May 14, 2017 3:01am
Quoting bauta
{quote} s_WeightDirection parameter is for symmetry mode only. it does not apply for channel mode.
Bauta, I know that, but there were two questions on your Trade Explorers, first on Channel Contraction and second on Symmetry TE. I saw there two NU trades both with 0,1 lot buy and sell, obviously the direction was unknown so therefore no doubling!?

Happy weekend, jdva
I never lose - either I win or I learn...
  • #2,828
  • May 31, 2017 5:22am May 31, 2017 5:22am
I'm still demoing Symmetry EA since March 13th with this settings and daily Target amount 100€ on DayTarget EA:
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Happy trading, jdva
I never lose - either I win or I learn...
  • #2,829
  • May 31, 2017 5:47am May 31, 2017 5:47am
Quoting jdva
I'm still demoing Symmetry EA since March 13th with this settings and daily Target amount 100€ on DayTarget EA: {image} {image} Happy trading, jdva
Good !!!!!!
Which version you used ?
Live ? or demo ?
  • #2,830
  • May 31, 2017 7:06am May 31, 2017 7:06am
Quoting fibo38
{quote} Good !!!!!! Which version you used ? Live ? or demo ?
mostly demo, in between times also live 2 weeks, v37, EAs start at 00.00 CET per PC task schedules...if daily target not achieved on a day, EA did run further on untill target hit.
I think 40k account balance is required...

Good luck, jdva
I never lose - either I win or I learn...
  • #2,831
  • Jun 2, 2017 7:04am Jun 2, 2017 7:04am
Hello guys.

I`d like to know how can avoid the increase of lots, in the screenshot you`re gonna see something like 1.08 when I was trying to keep it 0.01.

I`ve already put ordermultiplier = 0.

Thanks for all help.
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  • #2,832
  • Jun 4, 2017 1:33am Jun 4, 2017 1:33am
Quoting jdva
I'm still demoing Symmetry EA since March 13th with this settings and daily Target amount 100€ on DayTarget EA: {image} {image} Happy trading, jdva
Hi Jjva,
I tested your setup and it wiped an account with 4000 in over 1 year, just like all the rest, the graphs look good, they make good money in most weeks but over time they all wipe your account, trust me I've lost £4000 3 times over in 2 years.. dont give up its only money :-)
Geoff
  • #2,833
  • Jun 4, 2017 3:23am Jun 4, 2017 3:23am
Quoting Gadge007
{quote} Hi Jjva, I tested your setup and it wiped an account with 4000 in over 1 year, just like all the rest, the graphs look good, they make good money in most weeks but over time they all wipe your account, trust me I've lost 4000 3 times over in 2 years.. dont give up its only money :-) Geoff
Thanks Geoff...would you mind to explain me how you have done the backtest with my exact setup and a 40k (not 4k!) account. What was your setup with which versions that made losses for you? I think...f.i. one wasn't able to limit the MaxOrder setting and some other features in former versions of EG104 Symmetry. Moreover which currencies have you used? That is very important as well... IMHO!

Happy Whitsuntide...

jdva
I never lose - either I win or I learn...
  • #2,834
  • Edited Sep 9, 2025 8:44am Jun 4, 2017 9:10am | Edited Sep 9, 2025 8:44am
Quoting jdva
{quote} Thanks Geoff...would you mind to explain me how you have done the backtest with my exact setup and a 40k (not 4k!) account. What was your setup with which versions that made losses for you? I think...f.i. one wasn't able to limit the MaxOrder setting and some other features in former versions of EG104 Symmetry. Moreover which currencies have you used? That is very important as well... IMHO! Happy Whitsuntide... jdva
Hi Jdva,
Lets be real, I can give you loads of ea's that will not fail and make you good money with £40k in the account but most of us dont have £40k, unless you do, what's the point of even testing.. I tested your settings on wall st with 4k in account and it crashed after 1 year and account was wiped out, so I can be sure I have not missed any settings out contact me on my email at { email address deleted by staff } and send me a set file and I will re run the tests again, also I will send you a set file that has made me money for many years but like yours over time it will hits the big numbers and wipes the account out, the version I used was 037c 30th april testing your figures,.
Geoff
  • #2,835
  • Jun 4, 2017 10:27am Jun 4, 2017 10:27am
Quoting jdva
{quote} Thanks Geoff...would you mind to explain me how you have done the backtest with my exact setup and a 40k (not 4k!) account. What was your setup with which versions that made losses for you? I think...f.i. one wasn't able to limit the MaxOrder setting and some other features in former versions of EG104 Symmetry. Moreover which currencies have you used? That is very important as well... IMHO! Happy Whitsuntide... jdva
Hi Jdva

I have just tested your setting on £40k and the result is as always, total account wipeout. I am not saying it didnt make money because it did, see pic, the best way forward is to take all your profit out every week until you get back the money in your account then at least you have got your money back, and prey it does not wipe out before you get to that point.
Geoff
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  • #2,836
  • Jun 4, 2017 11:45am Jun 4, 2017 11:45am
Quoting Gadge007
{quote} Hi Jdva I have just tested your setting on 40k and the result is as always, total account wipeout. I am not saying it didnt make money because it did, see pic, the best way forward is to take all your profit out every week until you get back the money in your account then at least you have got your money back, and prey it does not wipe out before you get to that point. Geoff {image}
Thanks for your efforts, Geoff, I was told by many people who are experienced in doing backtests that it is not possible to test such a strategy with two EAs Symmetry and DayTarget. I may be wrong - I'm not a computer freak - perhaps Bauta may help us to cleariing up things.

Moreover one can stop trading on specific critical days (ADP,NFP,FOMC) as I have done last Friday. That is the advantage of not beeing permanently in the market. Therefore I prefer to not trusting in any backtest. Of course I know Martingale systems may be dangerous, it depends on how to trade them, a SetandForget strategy may not work, otherwise we would be all millionaires !

once more thank you and good luck...
jdva
I never lose - either I win or I learn...
  • #2,837
  • Jun 4, 2017 12:51pm Jun 4, 2017 12:51pm
Quoting jdva
{quote} Thanks for your efforts, Geoff, I was told by many people who are experienced in doing backtests that it is not possible to test such a strategy with two EAs Symmetry and DayTarget. I may be wrong - I'm not a computer freak - perhaps Bauta may help us to cleariing up things. Moreover one can stop trading on specific critical days (ADP,NFP,FOMC) as I have done last Friday. That is the advantage of not beeing permanently in the market. Therefore I prefer to not trusting in any backtest. Of course I know Martingale systems may be dangerous,...
Hi Jdva

This is true what you say and bauta would be the first to agree that they cannot be tested, but try this one thing for me, run the ea on a demo for 1 week then at the end of that week strategy test it and match the figures, they always match even on real accounts. this makes me wonder, hence I believe they can be tested.. just be careful when on real money, Bauta will crack this one day if anyone can I'm sure.
Good Luck.
Geoff
  • #2,838
  • Jun 4, 2017 10:56pm Jun 4, 2017 10:56pm
Version 038 release candidate.
Please be carefully trading this version. Demo and test it first.
What is new?
Dynamic_Percent_Increase parameter renamed to Expansion_Percent
Dynamic_Grid parameter removed. Now if Expansion_Percent parameter is not equal to zero, then Dynamic_Grid is true (Enabled), if Expansion_Percent parameter = 0, then Dynamic_Grid is disable.
Symmetry mode closes and reopen wining position at grid lines. Rinse and wash.
Channel mode defaults to diamond after order five (5)
Please test and demo it. Post your results and comments.
Thanks,
Bauta
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  • #2,839
  • Jun 5, 2017 1:27pm Jun 5, 2017 1:27pm
Quoting bauta
Version 038 release candidate. Please be carefully trading this version. Demo and test it first. What is new? Dynamic_Percent_Increase parameter renamed to Expansion_Percent Dynamic_Grid parameter removed. Now if Expansion_Percent parameter is not equal to zero, then Dynamic_Grid is true (Enabled), if Expansion_Percent parameter = 0, then Dynamic_Grid is disable. Symmetry mode closes and reopen wining position at grid lines. Rinse and wash. Channel mode defaults to diamond after order five (5) Please test and demo it. Post your results and comments....
Hi Bauta,
Thank you for update.
1- Would you please explain if you did some new changes in this version except renaming and summarizing some items? if so what are they and little bit explanation about reason.
2- In Channel mode, what defaults to Diamond means?
3- is there a why that can switch from Symmetry to Channel (Auto) in certain level or percent of loss for each chart? The reason for asking is that when Symmetry can't close a cycle after certain levels like level 7 (with specific setting), most probably a big trend has started so turning Symmetry to Channel can be an option for it. I know this already discussed and what kind of scenarios can happen later but i have a setting that i observed it in past 6 months and works over 90% now i need to test it with EA too. Appreciate if you can help for it.
Thanks
Mohsen
  • #2,840
  • Jun 6, 2017 2:36pm Jun 6, 2017 2:36pm
HI Bauta,
I have a question is it possible to use maximum orders for symmetry mode and channel mode? Since I believe that with symmetry a different order number is possible than with channel mode. It is important when both settings are used symmetry and channel mode.

Greeting Matthias
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