Trading Institutional Order Flow | Page 178 | Forex Factory

Options

Go to
Permalinks
Print Thread

Similar Threads

What is order flow trading? 93 replies

How to flow with the order flow? 26 replies

Order flow trading thread 166 replies

Domino's Price and order flow trading 1,400 replies

Order Flow Trading with ICCE Channels 3 replies

Attachments: Trading Institutional Order Flow
Exit Attachments

Trading Institutional Order Flow

  • #3,541
  • May 1, 2017 4:29pm May 1, 2017 4:29pm
Quoting 666fx
{quote} Do you have any rules or tips for trading the shorter time frames that you are willing to share? Trading the open and before news and date seems like vegas to me even with supply demand analysis.
Hi mate maybe I can answer this for you since I only do day trades using this method. I always plan my trades the night before or a couple of hours before London open. Without fail I have to check the time of the news releases and the only reason for that is if a trade is close to entry, the news might mess it up for me. Other than that I have no real reason to know every news release but still its just good to know the way the market moves with different news releases especially when your a day trader for daily income.

I use 4hr, 1Hr, 15min and 3min charts. The 4 hour is just to gauge the trend and the rest I do similar to what Akt does. So the 3mins chart is for my entries. You can use any, this is just the ones that make me profit. Trust me, its not vegas because everything is already priced in before the news comes out as institutions will have orders in the S&D zones. That is why I check for my entries or a trade close to my entry etc because spikes happen during news which can close you out plus spread could be added to hit stops earlier. If you can avoid those then your cool. Because really everything you need to know is in this thread and the videos. Just apply the same methodology to smaller time frames.

Stay Classy San Diego
  • #3,542
  • May 1, 2017 6:19pm May 1, 2017 6:19pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Winston2017 Welcome to T.I.O.F Good to meet you. If i may respond to you inquiry please, 1. One of the great things about supply and demand is that it is a methodology applicable to all asset classes whose prices can be charted ie stocks, options, forex, futures, bitcoin even . It is used as the core of an approach to the Markets. 2. There is a myth around supply and demand that it is sort of anti-indicators. That could not be further from the truth actually. Supply and demand as a methodology, a basis for decision...
hello! AKT
iv been reading up on this tread and find it fascinating,!
as far as your gbp/jpy chart,,,,,on your daily chart that level has been tested already , does that matter in this case? I looked left ?,,,,,,

thank you
  • #3,543
  • May 1, 2017 6:56pm May 1, 2017 6:56pm
Quoting dougiewins
{quote} Hi mate maybe I can answer this for you since I only do day trades using this method. I always plan my trades the night before or a couple of hours before London open. Without fail I have to check the time of the news releases and the only reason for that is if a trade is close to entry, the news might mess it up for me. Other than that I have no real reason to know every news release but still its just good to know the way the market moves with different news releases especially when your a day trader for daily income. I use 4hr, 1Hr, 15min...
Hello dougiewins.
Thank you for answering 666fx's question.
I couldn't have said it better really.

666FX, Hello and welcome to T.I.O.F
Good to meet you.

As has been said, particularly for the daytrader, knowing the environments of the market are important.
Starting out, placing orders just before fundamental data releases may be quite challenging
As one gets better, and understands the orderflow that occurs just before these data releases, one can absolutely consider specific zones,
but what is key in all of this is understanding the type of trade one is taking. It is usually those news releases that will drive price into your levels.

A trader trading small intraday timeframes is probably looking for paycheck trades and has his or her set up geared for that, including the mindset to go with that
approach of trading supply and demand. Quick in and out trades, trading quality levels can be very profitable
However, for someone relatively new to SAD trading and even for veterans, this can be the most challenging type of approach.

Best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,544
  • May 1, 2017 7:03pm May 1, 2017 7:03pm
Quoting tony1200
{quote} hello! AKT iv been reading up on this tread and find it fascinating,! as far as your gbp/jpy chart,,,,,on your daily chart that level has been tested already , does that matter in this case? I looked left ?,,,,,, thank you
hello tony1200

Welcome to T.I.O.F Sir
Good to meet you and thank you for the question

I see the wick you refer to but If you look closer, you will see that it actually did not make it to the SZ so it is still fresh.
Suppose it did though, the strategy and technique of entry in addition to the shallowness of such a test would probably still validate taking the trade

best wishes
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: gbpjpy tony.PNG Size: 26 KB
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,545
  • May 1, 2017 7:06pm May 1, 2017 7:06pm
Hello everyone

Trading the S&P500......paycheck trade, in management mode now

Please remember, this is no brag, as always, i only post these trades from time to time to show what is possible, nothing more.

best wishes
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: sp500 set and forget honey trap trade tda.PNG Size: 179 KB
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: sp500 set and forget honey trap trade outcome.PNG Size: 100 KB
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,546
  • May 2, 2017 2:21am May 2, 2017 2:21am
Hey dudes & dudettes,

This is the AUDUSD trade I took yesterday, I'm still in the trade waiting for it to hit the first demand zone it comes across. Let me know what you think....
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: audusd.png Size: 97 KB
  • #3,547
  • Edited 3:49am May 2, 2017 3:23am | Edited 3:49am
thanks Akt

nice examples very helpful

WOULD YOU SAY THE DAILY ON SP LOOKS A BIT SHAKEY NOW AS THERE BEEN A FEW CANDLES ENTER IT - LAST 4-5 DAYS ?
or is this normal on larger timeframes

at what point did you decide to take the 15 m chart ?

was it set and forget or did you manually enter

im asking as

the 1 hour zone is quite large and plenty of room for the market to keep going north

hoping to gain some insight into the finer details

ally
  • #3,548
  • May 2, 2017 3:24am May 2, 2017 3:24am
Hello everyone.

Short term trading zones

best wishes

Inserted Video
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,549
  • Edited 6:52am May 2, 2017 6:37am | Edited 6:52am
Quoting dougiewins
Hey dudes & dudettes, This is the AUDUSD trade I took yesterday, I'm still in the trade waiting for it to hit the first demand zone it comes across. Let me know what you think.... {image}
hi dougwins

7psmy zone are drawn on mt4 so may look different

just my own thoughts re that 30 min level

the one above was a nest ie 1h and 4 h sup zone looks like thats where market wanted to test before it turned

if you like divergence macd div is 7487 area

ally
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: toisv1_.png Size: 12 KB
  • #3,550
  • Edited 8:38am May 2, 2017 6:41am | Edited 8:38am
This is the update of the AUDUSD from earlier, I set alerts for when price reaches certain points so I can have a closer look to determine what to do with the trade. For anyone that day trades, 1hr and lower time frames. So its really true about trading
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: audusd2.png Size: 67 KB
  • #3,551
  • May 2, 2017 7:23am May 2, 2017 7:23am
Thank you for the reply gentlemen. I would have given it the thumbs up but ff not allowing me to do so.
Am I right in saying that it's a rule in s.ad that entry timeframe must also be the exiting? If my research is correct The 1 hour zone will not be removed by the 5m zone? Unless the 5m zone is within in the 1hour? Also do you trade in front of the screen or do you "set and forget" I trade the same timeframe as you dougiewins except instead of using 3m I use the 5m.
  • #3,552
  • May 2, 2017 8:44am May 2, 2017 8:44am
Quoting Winston2017
{quote} hi dougwins 7psmy zone are drawn on mt4 so may look different just my own thoughts re that 30 min level the one above was a nest ie 1h and 4 h sup zone looks like thats where market wanted to test before it turned if you like divergence macd div is 7487 area ally {image}
Hi Winston2017

Look at the area just below 0.7105, you can see now the market got close to that level and turned, which is a demand level. The precise level of demand is at 0.07075 and the market turned at 0.75090 which is probably just a pullback to add more positions. However I never add positions when price is at places like this. Refer back to the first audusd I posted up and we have the same main target only because that area is the origin of the move.

So every time price go to these areas I workout where the next supply is and if its close I let the trade run, plus price action on a bigger time frame can also confirm that.
  • #3,553
  • May 2, 2017 9:03am May 2, 2017 9:03am
Good morning traders, would this apply as a SZ?

regards,

Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: Capture.PNG Size: 28 KB
  • #3,554
  • May 2, 2017 9:28am May 2, 2017 9:28am
Hello everyone
Conclusion to the SP500 trade

Best wishes
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: sp500 set and forget honey trap trade outcome 2.PNG Size: 92 KB
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,555
  • May 2, 2017 9:30am May 2, 2017 9:30am
Quoting andddres1
Good morning traders, would this apply as a SZ? regards, {image}
Hello andddres1
Yes it is supply but No, it is not of good quality

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,556
  • May 2, 2017 9:38am May 2, 2017 9:38am
Quoting Winston2017
thanks Akt nice examples very helpful WOULD YOU SAY THE DAILY ON SP LOOKS A BIT SHAKEY NOW AS THERE BEEN A FEW CANDLES ENTER IT - LAST 4-5 DAYS ? or is this normal on larger timeframes at what point did you decide to take the 15 m chart ? was it set and forget or did you manually enter im asking as the 1 hour zone is quite large and plenty of room for the market to keep going north hoping to gain some insight into the finer details ally
Hello Winston2017

I really have no opinion on what the SP is going to do because i really don't know, nobody does.
I try as much as possible to be flexible in my expectations and rigid with my rules.

The reason i sold was mainly because of where price was.
That is why i went down in time-frame to identify quality supply to execute at
As noted in the picture posted, it was a set and forget trade.
I don't often trade smaller time frames as i am often not in front of my screens

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,557
  • May 2, 2017 9:47am May 2, 2017 9:47am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello andddres1 Yes it is supply but No, it is not of good quality best wishes

AKT, is not a quality zone because of the Daily DZ?

regards,
  • #3,558
  • May 2, 2017 9:52am May 2, 2017 9:52am
Quoting dougiewins
This is the update of the AUDUSD from earlier, I set alerts for when price reaches certain points so I can have a closer look to determine what to do with the trade. For anyone that day trades, 1hr and lower time frames. So its really true about trading {image}
Hello dougiewins
I like it. Here is the top down analysis.

best wishes
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: AUDUSD TDA.PNG Size: 181 KB
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #3,559
  • May 2, 2017 9:56am May 2, 2017 9:56am
Hi Akt!

How many candles should be there to form a S/D ZONE minimum???

Do you consider wick/shadow??? Which TF is best to find a perfect Zone??

Plz advise. thanks & take care.
  • #3,560
  • May 2, 2017 10:44am May 2, 2017 10:44am
Quoting dougiewins
{quote} Hi mate maybe I can answer this for you since I only do day trades using this method. I always plan my trades the night before or a couple of hours before London open. Without fail I have to check the time of the news releases and the only reason for that is if a trade is close to entry, the news might mess it up for me. Other than that I have no real reason to know every news release but still its just good to know the way the market moves with different news releases especially when your a day trader for daily income. I use 4hr, 1Hr, 15min...
Looks like we have abit in common fella. Been trading around 5years strictly intraday. Have had
my fair share of Ups and downs. Been using supply and demand for most of those years. Although the methodology is on point I still struggle intraday trading sometimes. Have you got any more thoughts or tips for day trading?

I've learnt a lot from experience for example if it's to good to be true it more than likely is. And to quote the legendary trader Paul Tudor jones "treat every trade like it's a loser"

thanks in advance
1 trader viewing now