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  • #3,401
  • Apr 28, 2017 6:27am Apr 28, 2017 6:27am
Hey Stu, is that the EU flag I see on your number plate? Shame on you!
  • #3,402
  • Apr 28, 2017 6:40am Apr 28, 2017 6:40am
Quoting jen101
Hey Stu, is that the EU flag I see on your number plate? Shame on you!
Already on there but you did see the GB too.
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  • #3,403
  • Apr 28, 2017 6:49am Apr 28, 2017 6:49am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Morality exists with or without a god. Most sane people know that it is wrong to kill another human, interfere with a child, steal another persons possessions, plus many others. But if god helps you with your innate morality, no probs. But some gods (not to be mentioned here) seem to think that these immoral things are right and proper
Morality exists alright, but absolute morality I'm not so sure, partly for the reasons you mentioned.

There are many millions of people who have a considerably different morality from you or I, it is on our terms that we have decided their morality on certain issues are wrong.

The morality of nature is predominantly the law of the jungle. Edmund Burke talked about this, though I'm certainly not well read on the matter.
  • #3,404
  • Apr 28, 2017 6:52am Apr 28, 2017 6:52am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Already on there but you did see the GB too.
You can get the England flag. As in without Scotland. You know, just to make it clear you're a right wing, racist fascist.
  • #3,405
  • Apr 28, 2017 6:56am Apr 28, 2017 6:56am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YspAt057Uf4/hqdefault.jpg like this?
Ha Ha ... very good ... that's a Peugeot 309
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  • #3,406
  • Apr 28, 2017 7:07am Apr 28, 2017 7:07am
Quoting verv
{quote} Morality exists alright, but absolute morality I'm not so sure, partly for the reasons you mentioned. There are many millions of people who have a considerably different morality from you or I, it is on our terms that we have decided their morality on certain issues are wrong. The morality of nature is predominantly the law of the jungle. Edmund Burke talked about this, though I'm certainly not well read on the matter.
It is not necessary to have a Deity to lay down morals, a Deity is only necessary to remind you that you are not keeping to them.
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  • #3,407
  • Apr 28, 2017 7:08am Apr 28, 2017 7:08am
Quoting jen101
{quote} You can get the England flag. As in without Scotland. You know, just to make it clear you're a right wing, racist fascist.
Done racist, fascist,right wing bigoted B'stard !

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  • #3,408
  • Apr 28, 2017 7:10am Apr 28, 2017 7:10am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} It is not necessary to have a Deity to lay down morals, a Deity is only necessary to remind you that you are not keeping to them.
If there is no deity, how can there be absolute morality? Upon what standard are we judging another person's morality, in the absence of some kind of moral authority, if not our own? And who are we to say that our version of morality, based on our beliefs and feelings are any better than the next persons?
  • #3,409
  • Apr 28, 2017 7:11am Apr 28, 2017 7:11am
Quoting jen101
{quote} What the hell is that? I had to google it. It looks like a biscuit tin.
My third one was like this.....
The boot extends to the leading edge of the rear wheels .... easily get a refugee family in there ... with their goats etc.
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  • #3,410
  • Apr 28, 2017 7:15am Apr 28, 2017 7:15am
Quoting verv
{quote} If there is no deity, how can there be absolute morality? Upon what standard are we judging another person's morality, in the absence of some kind of moral authority, if not our own? And who are we to say that our version of morality, based on our beliefs and feelings are any better than the next persons?
Morality is personal, like beliefs. I have previously expounded my hypothesis on 'God'. Morality stems from people living in communities and not from any other basis. If you need a 'God' that is just borrowing authority.
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  • #3,411
  • Apr 28, 2017 7:25am Apr 28, 2017 7:25am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Morality is personal, like beliefs. I have previously expounded my hypothesis on 'God'. Morality stems from people living in communities and not from any other basis. If you need a 'God' that is just borrowing authority.
I agree, there is definitely some shade of personal belief in there. Not sure I can agree there is an absolute morality without a God.

An atheist (at an old job) said to me one time that his biggest doubt was where he got his morals from, he felt that morals could be God given, but also felt on the weight of other 'evidence' (or lack) it was likely that god didn't exist.
  • #3,412
  • Apr 28, 2017 7:31am Apr 28, 2017 7:31am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} My third one was like this..... The boot extends to the leading edge of the rear wheels .... easily get a refugee family in there ... with their goats etc. {image}
Hey Ex I can't remember now was that the Senator or the Carlton ? I had a Carlton too, think we were still on polaroid film then so no photo. Huge boot as you say.
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  • #3,413
  • Apr 28, 2017 7:49am Apr 28, 2017 7:49am
Quoting verv
{quote} I agree, there is definitely some shade of personal belief in there. Not sure I can agree there is an absolute morality without a God. An atheist (at an old job) said to me one time that his biggest doubt was where he got his morals from, he felt that morals could be God given, but also felt on the weight of other 'evidence' (or lack) it was likely that god didn't exist.
Is homosexuality a sin? If it is, is it ok to throw gays off rooftops? Is that a certain God's "morals?"

Is it OK to kill non believers?
  • #3,414
  • Apr 28, 2017 8:07am Apr 28, 2017 8:07am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Is homosexuality a sin? If it is, is it ok to throw gays off rooftops? Is that a certain God's "morals?" Is it OK to kill non believers?
I personally don't believe so, as you know.

What's the angle you are going for here?
  • #3,415
  • Apr 28, 2017 8:11am Apr 28, 2017 8:11am
Quoting verv
{quote} I personally don't believe so, as you know. What's the angle you are going for here?
What has God to do with morality?
  • #3,416
  • Apr 28, 2017 8:26am Apr 28, 2017 8:26am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Hey Ex I can't remember now was that the Senator or the Carlton ? I had a Carlton too, think we were still on polaroid film then so no photo. Huge boot as you say.
I think the Senator and Carlton had the same chassis, a slightly different outer skin and a bit more 'luxury' inside for the Senator.
Plus I'm not sure that the 3-litre 6-cyl was available in a Carlton .... however Lotus did a twin-turbo version with some chassis tweaks.

I haven't looked lately but I heard the price-minimum for the Lotus version was around £15k and then they started to go up in value!
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  • #3,417
  • Apr 28, 2017 8:28am Apr 28, 2017 8:28am
Quoting jen101
{quote} What has God to do with morality?
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=9808794#post9808794
  • #3,418
  • Apr 28, 2017 8:30am Apr 28, 2017 8:30am
Quoting verv
{quote} I agree, there is definitely some shade of personal belief in there. Not sure I can agree there is an absolute morality without a God. An atheist (at an old job) said to me one time that his biggest doubt was where he got his morals from, he felt that morals could be God given, but also felt on the weight of other 'evidence' (or lack) it was likely that god didn't exist.
As Jen said, what has God to do with morality....

Nothing as far as I know. The morality is just a judgement of people's behaviour to which shame may or may not be attached. Kind of, because morality is also a judgement of one's own behaviour and does not require any more substance than a concern for how others will perceive it, or how you might perceive it in others. ...no God in that bit.
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  • #3,419
  • Apr 28, 2017 8:31am Apr 28, 2017 8:31am
Quoting verv
Unusual question. What are people's thoughts on the Madeline McCann disappearance which is now back in the news?
This is a very sad case.
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  • #3,420
  • Apr 28, 2017 8:41am Apr 28, 2017 8:41am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} As Jen said, what has God to do with morality.... Nothing as far as I know. The morality is just a judgement of people's behaviour to which shame may or may not be attached. Kind of, because morality is also a judgement of one's own behaviour and does not require any more substance than a concern for how others will perceive it, or how you might perceive it in others. ...no God in that bit.
I replied to DrManhatten's post where it said:

"The problem with Post Modern theories is that if there is no universal Truth, how can anyone objectively criticize human acts such as the Holocaust, slavery, forced female genital mutilation?"

Which of course implies that there must be a universal truth if we are to objectively judge.

...hope it is clear now how this came up initially.

Does God have a role in morality, depends if he exists or not, and anyone claiming perfect knowledge on that topic is talking shit.
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