Disliked{quote} Yes. Is it not a certain God who supposedly advocate kill all infidels?Ignored
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Disliked{quote} Yes. Is it not a certain God who supposedly advocate kill all infidels?Ignored
Disliked{quote} According to who? The man who originated such passage in the liturgy you refer to or God itself?Ignored
Disliked{quote} Was he not God's messenger? God is in the minds of whatever people choose to believe, so it should be the whole religion that is questioned. What is the difference between a religion and a cult or an absolute on which one bases every aspect of their lives? Whose opinion matters? Yours or a few billion others?Ignored
Disliked{quote} I replied to DrManhatten's post where it said: "The problem with Post Modern theories is that if there is no universal Truth, how can anyone objectively criticize human acts such as the Holocaust, slavery, forced female genital mutilation?" Which of course implies that there must be a universal truth if we are to objectively judge. ...hope it is clear now how this came up initially. Does God have a role in morality, depends if he exists or not, and anyone claiming perfect knowledge on that topic is talking shit.Ignored
Disliked{quote} Was he not God's messenger? I don't know. How would one go on to established that from an objective point of view? According to his followers? A text reference? Still, isn't that claim not derived from the man's devout followers or the so called origin who made such a claim?Ignored
Disliked.... Well the word "Cult" is a pejorative term, and is hard to define, but 20th century connotations suggest....Ignored
Disliked{quote} You're missing my point. You cannot separate a religion's God from the entire religion itself. All is in the minds of the people who choose to believe. You cannot say that the God is pure and good, but the messenger got it all wrong or question whether or not he was even the messenger! The followers believe it, so you have to respect that. The messenger is their only link to their God and whether the God is real or imaginary, is irrelevant.Ignored
Disliked{quote}Well done. You have just rescued your credibility after that earlier bollox concerning Truth. {quote}No, the word 'cult' has roots back into French and Latin, but has been twisted in recent years to imply witless behaviour by some. BTW it appears that devil worship was invented by an Irishman ... o'Cult ... just my opinion.Ignored
Disliked{quote} Earlier bollox concerning truth? Care to elaborate? I have no idea what you are talking about. Yes the word cult has such roots, I was referring to the contemporary definition of it, not it's origins. It has many different definitions and connotations that can vary, hence why I stated it was a pejorative term and hard to define.Ignored
Disliked{quote} Edit: If people want to choose some illiterate paedo goat herder or whatever he was as their messenger from their God, who are you to argue?Ignored
Disliked{quote} I respectfully disagree. You asked the question "was he not God's messenger? My response to that question was appropriate in the context you presented. My premise is that the concept of God itself would be implied by your non believing standards is man made, therefore your argument of GOD, having been the cause or the belief of such a God is of mans conflicts, or that he sent a message to man himself is not proven. I contend that it isn't. Yes you can separate the debate of religion and God itself. If you are specifically discussing a particular...Ignored
Disliked{quote} " Truth as you well know is a subjective term, so it all depends on the context which it is referred as such" It is possible that I have not perceived the difference between "Truth" and "truth". To me, "truth" is a statement of fact and not an interpretation of anything, therefore its origins are not open to discussion. Stories on the other hand...... I have just been dispatched on an errand, so later guys...Ignored
Disliked{quote} What is your definition of God? Are you referring to some universal higher power or in a religious sense? Or is God just something that someone worships? In which case, God could be a Dominoes pizza. I think we are accepting here that there is a/ are certain God/s per religion. Religion is entirely a man made concept, as Christopher Hitchens says, to explain phenomena in the past when the Science was absent. Therefore, God in reference to the religion, is a man made concept too. So, yes, man is responsible for atrocities, but so is the whole...Ignored
Disliked{quote} Well you were not asking me what my definition of God was, I was merely responding to the premise in which you presented your original argument of God or Gods being the source for mans conflicts, when clearly history refutes that assertion. The only reason that even comes up as a pretext, is the nations who do such warring or engage in such conflicts of destroying each other is to justify their cause as being moral. Everything else I can not disagree with you on as religion or God being man made, as there is no way to substantiate that point...Ignored