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  • #150,001
  • Apr 18, 2017 9:22pm Apr 18, 2017 9:22pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} he was at a parade clapping.. we could have ended him there.. maybe the u.s. hacked the failed rocket launch.. maybe we can do it again and turn his rockets toward him.. very cost effective.. and then we play dumb and say, he did it to himself.
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  • #150,002
  • Apr 18, 2017 9:24pm Apr 18, 2017 9:24pm
Quoting goosebone
{quote} . {image}
smart wabbit
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  • #150,003
  • Apr 18, 2017 9:24pm Apr 18, 2017 9:24pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} i dont like the guy either.. yeah he is bad news.. on the other hand, he has a sovereign nation. we think the u.n. gives us a right to go kicking in others doors. we have done this for the past 50 yrs.. it hasn't worked out so well. i see it like some russians going into texas and kicking in some doors late at night. some poor guy in his bed sleeping with his nude wife. maybe shoot the family dog or and slapped around some. i can promise you this much.. those texans would be killing some russians, after all is said and done. now those texans...
If Kim Jong Un came to possess a nuclear weapon capable or intercontinental travel- who do you think would be most at risk? Keep in mind, KJU is North Korea, there are no checks and balances..

The answer, is anyone who disagrees with KJU. Not just the US. If you disagree with KJU, you die (and usually the US is blamed by KJU as a matter of convenience)

There is only one nation in the world that has openly threatened another nation with nuclear war since the 90's- and the nation doing the threatening has nothing to lose. North Korea is not a US failure, it is a world failure.
  • #150,004
  • Apr 18, 2017 9:31pm Apr 18, 2017 9:31pm
uj back to teasing 108.56 atm... its R here.. i use a different L roll than most.. most see it as a close below 108.56 today.. i see it at 108.73
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #150,005
  • Edited 9:43pm Apr 18, 2017 9:32pm | Edited 9:43pm
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} If Kim Jong Un came to possess a nuclear weapon capable or intercontinental travel- who do you think would be most at risk? Keep in mind, KJU is North Korea, there are no checks and balances.. There is only one nation in the world that has openly threatened another nation with nuclear war since the 90's
He watched Khaddafi give up nukes. Then get pulled out of a ditch and skewered. I dont see him backing down. It cant end well. And telling China they really ought to do this or that about it is nothing new and no more productive a strategy than it ever has been. No easy answers. Except the easy one that comes with at least a few regrets.
I just wish someone could even act like they had a plan. Fake it til you make it only works if you dont wear it on your sleeve. Last guy in the white house treated it with the same dumbfounded look on his face this ones got.
  • #150,006
  • Apr 18, 2017 9:36pm Apr 18, 2017 9:36pm
I agree with you that he United State's wars have mostly been proxy wars, and unneeded wars at the expense of other nations. I don't agree with the war I served in. The thing is, at times war is necessary and you damn sure don't want to be on the wrong end of the wars that matter. Revolutionary war, WW2 to name a few. KJU is likely to be another.
  • #150,007
  • Apr 18, 2017 9:59pm Apr 18, 2017 9:59pm
My grandfather served under General Patton and my dad Vietnam. Political wars. All about money! Most wars are for this cause with twisted causes for the avg Joe that is to ignorant to see the forest from the trees.

Took a position at .0730 Short. Going to watch .068x like a hawk.
  • #150,008
  • Apr 18, 2017 10:02pm Apr 18, 2017 10:02pm
Quoting goosebone
{quote} He watched Khaddafi give up nukes. Then get pulled out of a ditch and skewered. I dont see him backing down. It cant end well. And telling China they really ought to do this or that about it is nothing new and no more productive a strategy than it ever has been. No easy answers. Except the easy one that comes with at least a few regrets. I just wish someone could even act like they had a plan. Fake it til you make it only works if you dont wear it on your sleeve. Last guy in the white house treated it with the same dumbfounded look on his...
In the 11th hour it'll come down to China's choice. They'll either have to flip on NK for a sweeter deal from the US or go to war with the most volatile nation in the world as their partner. They're the one's providing the nukes, no secret there.

My personal theory is that China is looking for the right deal to flip on NK, afterall- you don't side the with guy everyone in the playground hates. A NK that China can't control is useless to China, but using NK to do the dirty work and being the only nation with the key to their (easy) demise is a pretty sweet set up to negotiate with....
  • #150,009
  • Apr 18, 2017 10:12pm Apr 18, 2017 10:12pm
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} In the 11th hour it'll come down to China's choice. They'll either have to flip on NK for a sweeter deal from the US or go to war with the most volatile nation in the world as their partner. They're the one's providing the nukes, no secret there. My personal theory is that China is looking for the right deal to flip on NK, afterall- you don't side the with guy everyone in the playground hates. A NK that China can't control is useless to China, but using NK to do the dirty work and being the only nation with the key to their (easy) demise...
look at what china had trump do already.. remember all the china currency manipulation talk last year. china is playing trump like a fiddle, china is pulling the strings. Trump for better than a year has called out china.. "make america great" , bring manufacturing back home yada yada.. and now he has already sold u.s. workers out. he is willing to give out handjobs over N korea, to china.. china is the big winner. and they will string this along for as long as they can,,, years decades or more.. till kim #45 is born. he has GS deep in the cabinet. he screwed the working man for 40 yrs (he has screwed thousands of small businessman).. i doubt the election will change that
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #150,010
  • Apr 18, 2017 10:21pm Apr 18, 2017 10:21pm
Quoting gatorinla
uj back to teasing 108.56 atm... its R here.. i use a different L roll than most.. most see it as a close below 108.56 today.. i see it at 108.73
coming up on the 12h.. not gonna make 108.73, but 108.56 in play..
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  • #150,011
  • Apr 18, 2017 10:44pm Apr 18, 2017 10:44pm
off to bed
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  • #150,012
  • Apr 19, 2017 12:34am Apr 19, 2017 12:34am
Quoting The Fool
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/31/why-b...d-tax-day.html "Going back 20 years, April has been positive for the S&P 500 75 percent of the time, with an average gain of 2.16 percent, according to Bespoke. It's also hands down the best-performing month of the year for the Dow, going back 50 years." Going into the real meat of earnings season next week, I will bet on a modest rise for the spoos, say 2,340 up to 2,370 into next week, That'll give Trump's Armada time to get up to the Sea...
...gold should slide along with an equity bounce,,,/GC down $7 in overnight....back to $1260 or lower next week on some strong bull equity action....
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  • #150,013
  • Edited 4:22am Apr 19, 2017 3:32am | Edited 4:22am
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} In the 11th hour it'll come down to China's choice. They'll either have to flip on NK for a sweeter deal from the US or go to war with the most volatile nation in the world as their partner. They're the one's providing the nukes, no secret there. My personal theory is that China is looking for the right deal to flip on NK, afterall- you don't side the with guy everyone in the playground hates. A NK that China can't control is useless to China, but using NK to do the dirty work and being the only nation with the key to their (easy) demise...
Im still trying to figure out what leverage the US thinks it has with China in these trade negotiations. When the white house says things like "Help us with NK and we will give you a good deal on trade" that sounds to me like the emptiest of threats mainly because China is not blind to the fact that the US economy (voter) is addicted to cheap Chinese goods. WW3 might not start by KJU's hand but it'll blow up right quick when the yellow dot sale is gone forever and the price of a "These Colors Dont Run!" 4XL camo tank top goes up 4X. And that the president is destined to end up a martyr for that cause when 2020 opposition throws around Reagans old saw "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago". Not saying the USA cant "win" a trade war with China (whatever that means) just that in the end theyll win it without whichever president started it. So it doesnt look like much carrot or much stick is in the white house toolbox heading into negotiation. Last time they met, Xi called Trump a weak politician looking to flex his muscles. Thats the words of a man with either a very good poker face or without much to fear.
I believe after all the big big talk, the giant trade deal will be just like the Carrier charade and will amount to a few concessions by China in the right direction to make DJT appear to have achieved something on the deficit (ie China will promise to buy a little more agricultural and other goods from the US) in exchange for some easing of regs that make Chinese investments in the US safer and easier. Thats it. No mention of NK whatsoever. Thats my guess.
  • #150,014
  • Edited 4:29am Apr 19, 2017 4:01am | Edited 4:29am
That was it for the European session.... very little to track with only politics and twitter in control till French elections are cleared. Only highlight come from the Euro we have set the map for the french flows trade this weekend already so all cards on the table bar a last minute unexpected noise from politicians...

Nothing to see till NY ...

sisse

Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} I'd like to see KJU go .... There is no room for Kim Jong-Un nor religious zealots in my world....
Neither for criminal dictators, cheap nationalistic populists, neonazis, extreme right/left and nutters who abuse power and subdue people for their own or cronies political and economic interest, etc etc ...sadly we humans and especially right now across the world are far from that...

As I always argue here, I always see theses things for the principle not for the name of the idiot or country in charge/religion/race. The same poor value has KJ than al-Assad in Syria, Chavez in Venezuela, a neonazi/extremist party running in France or tomorrow a lunatic with a 2400 TN of nuclear weapons trying to nuke the world via a Tweet or with a cyber-hack in Russia, China or the US for that matter...

Quoting Pharm0r
There is only one nation in the world that has openly threatened another nation with nuclear war since the 90's- and the nation doing the threatening has nothing to lose. North Korea is not a US failure, it is a world failure.
Absolutely. It's a failure of the World not the US alone not at all. Those non sense ideas only come from extreme left/lefties wing propaganda. However ...

=> Don't forget there is only one country in the world that have used nuclear weapons (and not one but two) against civilians in war.... Like in FX trading you have to see both side of the equation (in the case of NK, its a no brainer who is the fcker in the equation) but you have to be careful that the US not always represent the moral compass of the world (sadly not even for the west lately) neither has the universal truth...

... the aggression we see from NK, its the same aggression some others may perceive from the US in other situations ... As Gator mentioned above, this current NK it's panning out to be just pure BS for the media and political manipulation/consumption.

=> Last week, I was talking with an expert in Security and the M.East (and most experts I have hear) puts very close odds of having the next DT foreign policy tantrum with Iran before the end of the summer. Won't go in more details here but let's just paraphrase and say the odds of a couple of 'American sailors suddenly being detain in the Gulf' in a few months/weeks with DT giving an ultimatum to Iran to comply or else are very high ...

=> From a market/trading perspective the key issue is to highlight the difference between politics, risk and potential market reaction, instead of an actual real full blown risk on war/conflict. The latter will be sudden and strong and the big bastards will be caught with their pants down, while in the former, markets will hedge on/ or before the tweet and once its clear it will be business as usual ....

sisse
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  • #150,015
  • Apr 19, 2017 4:36am Apr 19, 2017 4:36am
regarding NK
I see it as the world believes Kim to be a lunactic and aggressor, my question is

does Lunatic/ aggressor = leader that has attacked no one in comparison to the country that has
for 50 years had 40,000 troops on there border and crippled them with economic sanctions/ that starved 100,000s people.
threatened to invade / take out / wipe out every time they have a new leader.

does lunatic/ aggressor = someone that has had to build an army to defend against / or the illusion of defence , simply to stop
what it has seen for decades an aggressive foreign policy of a expanding economic empire that desperately
seeks a solid footing on the border of its economic equal. ( china will not give up its buffer zone as Russia didn't in Ukraine )

so is a lunatic simply someone that isn't a YES man/ push over / and wants to keep intact primarily himself and secondly his country that has every right to have been paranoid for the last 50 years .
another question , how many people have actually been to NK ? or is your view that of a mutli media effect of the last 50,40,30,20 years

the question isn't as simple as CNN or NCBC would have you believe.
  • #150,016
  • Apr 19, 2017 4:57am Apr 19, 2017 4:57am
There is no lunatics in the world.its just simple profit and loss.So there are lunatics in NK and not in israelli.Its what the world circle.

There really is some leader that cross the line. But in the end is .....

" Its Just About The Money "
  • #150,017
  • Apr 19, 2017 5:34am Apr 19, 2017 5:34am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} coming up on the 12h.. not gonna make 108.73, but 108.56 in play.. {image}
12h made 108.56+close.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #150,018
  • Apr 19, 2017 5:45am Apr 19, 2017 5:45am
Looking like EU wants to go higher before it goes lower. I guess 784 like Gatorinla and Goosebone pointed out. I'm also seeing a Deep Crab ending at 764.
  • #150,019
  • Apr 19, 2017 5:49am Apr 19, 2017 5:49am
Quoting sisse
That was it for the European session.... very little to track with only politics and twitter in control till French elections are cleared. Only highlight come from the Euro we have set the map for the french flows trade this weekend already so all cards on the table bar a last minute unexpected noise from politicians... Nothing to see till NY ... sisse {quote} Neither for criminal dictators, cheap nationalistic populists, neonazis, extreme right/left and nutters who abuse power and subdue people for their own or cronies political and economic interest,...
add into the equation turkey. if a NATO member becomes a dictatorship, does NATO still fight for him?, to the point would a attack on turkey or turkey attacking another mean NATO comes to its side. go back through 10 yrs of post. several mentions of a time when NATO fights NATO. and or many countries getting together with a single currency getting along is a myth, its been tried before, the euro dollar isn't the first time. it was tried long before with gold and silver with a central bank in rome.

in a civil war in turkey who would NATO back? would it spread to other parts of europe? could the u.s. lose the ally and russia gain one..

meanwhile back at the farm,, we got a dumbfuck president congratulating a dictatorship for his election win.. whats up, is down now..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #150,020
  • Apr 19, 2017 6:00am Apr 19, 2017 6:00am
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/16/w...s-erdogan.html

major political ww3 fires all over the world,,, so lets play golf..
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