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  • #3,121
  • Apr 5, 2017 7:58am Apr 5, 2017 7:58am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Outstanding!
Hello also.... ( nearly a handshake )
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #3,122
  • Apr 5, 2017 8:05am Apr 5, 2017 8:05am
We have a very fragile form of government. Our founders told us as much -- a government dependent on good people doing the right thing. Two very strong points have been done away with -- states rights were guaranteed by state legislatures electing senators -- now done by popular vote so voters can vote themselves bennies thus open to vote buying. The other was the founders envisioned citizen legislators -- not goofballs getting in for life by giving out bennies. I'm hoping we can start to get back on track. Why brexit so important to us -- many Americans see US and Brits joined at the hip and both us fighting for our freedom.
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  • #3,123
  • Apr 5, 2017 8:06am Apr 5, 2017 8:06am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Hello also.... ( nearly a handshake )
HaHa -- that ain't nowhere near a handshake in the US!
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  • #3,124
  • Apr 5, 2017 9:01am Apr 5, 2017 9:01am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} HaHa -- that ain't nowhere near a handshake in the US!
What is it then, the Trump way? I posted a video of that before. So I suppose you don't want the rest of the world believing you're limp wristed libs?
  • #3,125
  • Edited 10:08am Apr 5, 2017 9:38am | Edited 10:08am
Quoting jen101
{quote} What is it then, the Trump way? I posted a video of that before. So I suppose you don't want the rest of the world believing you're limp wristed libs?
In the US, that is the symbol of the black panther party -- Louis Farrakhan, ect.

Gloves are off! Trump blaming Obama policy for latest Syrian gas attack. That being said, doesn't seem to me Trump administration knows at this moment how to handle the situation.

Getting on ignored list now by people I've never seen or heard of. Makes me so sad!
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  • #3,126
  • Apr 5, 2017 10:08am Apr 5, 2017 10:08am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} In the US, that is the symbol of the black panther party -- Louis Farrakhan, ect. Gloves are off! Trump blaming Obama policy for latest Syrian gas attack. That being said, doesn't seem to me Trump administration knows at this moment how to handle the situation.
What's that? Like black lives matter?
  • #3,127
  • Apr 5, 2017 10:19am Apr 5, 2017 10:19am
Quoting jen101
{quote} What's that? Like black lives matter?
No. They are a mostly black domestic terrorist organization dating back to the mid 60's. They love to paint themselves as a civil rights group but that is BS. You might remember couple blacks held up a clinched, gloved fist at the, I think, Mexico Olympics. Their last escapade was blocking voters with billy sticks somewhere up north during the first Obama election. Shortly thereafter, Eric Holder, Obama's first attorney general, basically said they weren't going to do a lot of minority prosecuting. They are now associating themselves with the black lives thing, another group of domestic terrorist.
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  • #3,128
  • Apr 5, 2017 11:18am Apr 5, 2017 11:18am
Quoting Stu Effex
https://youtu.be/DFAG-OVIlxE
...Nigel gets applause @ 1:35

I thought he was a pariah in EU-land.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #3,129
  • Apr 5, 2017 11:55am Apr 5, 2017 11:55am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} ...Nigel gets applause @ 1:35 I thought he was a pariah in EU-land.
Whilst in the minority, the anti Eu sentiment is growing , not just across Europe but also in the EU itself
  • #3,130
  • Apr 5, 2017 2:37pm Apr 5, 2017 2:37pm
Is That you Stew ? Can you use shout ?
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #3,131
  • Apr 6, 2017 1:22am Apr 6, 2017 1:22am
In this morning's news reports we have the latest divisive witterings from the Labour Party.

Those who can afford, or even those who in-debt themselves, to pay for better education for their children should pay VAT on the school fees. The tax proceeds will be used, allegedly, to fund free primary school meals for the rest of the country. ....really? You mean it will not end-up funding the foreign aid budget? ....or the roads pot-hole repair fund?

This little gem is borrowed from other Parties' ideas, specifically it was in the manifesto of the Liberal Democrats. Also it appears that the idea was vetoed by Mrs.May when it was suggested for the Conservative Party in the recent past.

These people cannot see past the end of their noses!
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #3,132
  • Apr 6, 2017 1:23am Apr 6, 2017 1:23am
Quoting stu effex
is that you stew ? Can you use shout ?
Hi Stu,
IS THIS WHAT YOU MEANT?

( the editor converted my first Upper-case attempt to lower-case, no doubt assuming I didn't want to shout )
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #3,133
  • Apr 6, 2017 2:03am Apr 6, 2017 2:03am
Quoting Exodus
In this morning's news reports we have the latest divisive witterings from the Labour Party. Those who can afford, or even those who in-debt themselves, to pay for better education for their children should pay VAT on the school fees. The tax proceeds will be used, allegedly, to fund free primary school meals for the rest of the country. ....really? You mean it will not end-up funding the foreign aid budget? ....or the roads pot-hole repair fund? This little gem is borrowed from other Parties' ideas, specifically it was in the manifesto of the Liberal...
Corbyn is an absolute numpty. The Authors of the report on Radio this morning have said that they have not proven the the correlation between free school meals and improved attainment and that more research is required.

He seems to have no understanding that it is not only the rich who send their kids to private school, but also middle income parents who feel that the state system is shit (largely due to Labour education and social policies) and deprive themselves of life luxuries in order to afford the very high fees. Introducing VAT of private education will damage the sector, reduce the number of place taken up and in turn fail to deliver the expected revenue. I say all this and then ask myself the question, would the UK electorate vote into power, someone who would not be prepared to use lethal force in order to protect his country's citizens?
  • #3,134
  • Edited 3:16am Apr 6, 2017 2:54am | Edited 3:16am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Hi Stu, IS THIS WHAT YOU MEANT? ( the editor converted my first Upper-case attempt to lower-case, no doubt assuming I didn't want to shout )

Ha ha no I was asking stef3an if it was STEW..... From few years back, I don't think we agree on a lot of stuff but he was nice chap

EDIT but I do that TOO Ex
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #3,135
  • Apr 6, 2017 3:15am Apr 6, 2017 3:15am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Corbyn is an absolute numpty. The Authors of the report on Radio this morning have said that they have not proven the the correlation between free school meals and improved attainment and that more research is required. He seems to have no understanding that it is not only the rich who send their kids to private school, but also middle income parents who feel that the state system is shit (largely due to Labour education and social policies) and deprive themselves of life luxuries in order to afford the very high fees. Introducing VAT of...
I do think this stuff needs to be in place. But it has to be policed well and structured right I have no issue in my tax feeding some kids at school if I know the kids parents aren't sitting on the couch, smoking, drinking and watching Jeremy Kyle all day. They have to be out trying to get work, doing constructive things.
EDIT: Agree Vat on that education is just staying we prefer more dumb people please
I am for Capital and corporal punishment. However I would not rely on a jury to decide on capital cases. That would have to be clear evidence, like video, photographic evidence clear and without any doubt. When I was kid you got the cane, plimsoll and other effective instruments in school for misbehaving. I bet if they conducted a survey of how how youth behaviour/morals has deteriorated since the abolition of that there would be steep curve.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #3,136
  • Apr 6, 2017 4:07am Apr 6, 2017 4:07am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I do think this stuff needs to be in place. But it has to be policed well and structured right I have no issue in my tax feeding some kids at school if I know the kids parents aren't sitting on the couch, smoking, drinking and watching Jeremy Kyle all day. They have to be out trying to get work, doing constructive things. EDIT: Agree Vat on that education is just staying we prefer more dumb people please I am for Capital and corporal punishment. However I would not rely on a jury to decide on capital cases. That would have to be clear evidence,...
I agree with you. There has to be accountability at all levels from Government down to the individual/citizen level. Tax is essential but the Governments accountability in its spending of our taxes is even more important. Waste, budgetary stupidity and incompetence should be sack-able offences. All budgets should have a proper plan, including evidence that the desired outcome is achievable, full monetary audit trail, proof of value for money spending, proof of outcome and someone's gonads on the line. This criteria should especially apply to foreign aid, which I think should be open to public scrutiny right from the proposal stage
  • #3,137
  • Apr 6, 2017 4:28am Apr 6, 2017 4:28am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I agree with you. There has to be accountability at all levels from Government down to the individual/citizen level. Tax is essential but the Governments accountability in its spending of our taxes is even more important. Waste, budgetary stupidity and incompetence should be sack-able offences. All budgets should have a proper plan, including evidence that the desired outcome is achievable, full monetary audit trail, proof of value for money spending, proof of outcome and someone's gonads on the line. This criteria should especially apply...
Fully agree Dev More balls need to be on the line, not sideways shift to another department etc etc
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  • #3,138
  • Apr 6, 2017 6:56am Apr 6, 2017 6:56am
Thoughts on this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-39504338
  • #3,139
  • Apr 6, 2017 7:30am Apr 6, 2017 7:30am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I agree with you. There has to be accountability at all levels from Government down to the individual/citizen level. Tax is essential but the Governments accountability in its spending of our taxes is even more important. Waste, budgetary stupidity and incompetence should be sack-able offences. All budgets should have a proper plan, including evidence that the desired outcome is achievable, full monetary audit trail, proof of value for money spending, proof of outcome and someone's gonads on the line. This criteria should especially apply...
This is another thing going on under the radar. Trump is having all cabinet heads analyze their departments. He wants waste and unnecessary people eliminated. Won't be mass firings -- just retirement. Ultimate goal is to eliminate departments like energy, education, and couple others. Federal hiring was frozen first few days. New budget eliminates lot of things like planned parenthood (read abortion factory's) and PBS. All out war now between democrat machine and conservatives. We are starting to wonder if the media is a branch of the democrat party or the democrat party is a branch of the media?
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  • #3,140
  • Apr 6, 2017 8:16am Apr 6, 2017 8:16am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} We are starting to wonder if the media is a branch of the democrat party or the democrat party is a branch of the media?
from over here in the UK it does look like your media and the democratic party are in bed together
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