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  • #2,541
  • Mar 7, 2017 5:08am Mar 7, 2017 5:08am
Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} We can not compare Hitler with Trump (so far) & Co., because their hands are not "bloody" in this sense. However there is an "authority" which can easily be compared with "phenomenon of Hitler" and this is Rome - better said The Vatican. They are both the best indicators of how were "holy grounds" used for mass enslavement and destruction. Hitler and Cesar on the other side were "self-styled gods". Religion itself can not be liberal (even not Buddhism) but has been too often used by "god's elites" to enslave "mortals".
I agree with you on what I can understand of your post, namely the first and last sentences. Sometimes you can talk sense.
  • #2,542
  • Mar 7, 2017 5:10am Mar 7, 2017 5:10am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Because often it wasn't there. For example, Hell. There is not one mention of hell or any red devil with horns and a pitchfork anywhere in the text.
There is mention of Fire in the text, which is a translation of hell I believe.
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  • #2,543
  • Edited 6:04am Mar 7, 2017 5:52am | Edited 6:04am
The religious talk can get deep and then it's one persons interpretation to another. So maybe it's best not to concern with that directly but look at the actions which result from their (muslim) interpretation and how it is imposed on modern day western life. So we know there are many customs and applications we don't approve of but if we had to make the argument on one point only, it will never be right in the mind and eyes of any normal western person for a man to have sex with a minor. And for that I would apply a punishment they are fond of and behead them.

EDIT: This not just my view about applying to muslims this is applicable to anyone but we know they have a particular problem in that they openly say it's ok to marry a child etc.
We have become just too nice as a country. Wanting to treat this crap like an illness. Putting tags on these people and treating them makes no sense to me. The children's welfare will always be more important than trying to cure anyone of this so called disease. While they are being treated kids are still at risk, lets just stop being nice and execute them.
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  • #2,544
  • Mar 7, 2017 7:21am Mar 7, 2017 7:21am
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0307/857771-eu-court-asylum-visas/
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  • #2,545
  • Mar 7, 2017 7:31am Mar 7, 2017 7:31am
Quoting Stu Effex
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0307/857771-eu-court-asylum-visas/
I suspect that the EU and the Eu courts are softening their stance in light of the upcoming elections in France Netherlands and Germany
  • #2,546
  • Mar 7, 2017 7:43am Mar 7, 2017 7:43am
https://youtu.be/m6jvLyzvlKg
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  • #2,547
  • Mar 7, 2017 7:45am Mar 7, 2017 7:45am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I suspect that the EU and the Eu courts are softening their stance in light of the upcoming elections in France Netherlands and Germany
I suspect you are right Dev. I think it's too little too late.
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  • #2,548
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:03am Mar 7, 2017 8:03am
Quoting Stu Effex
The religious talk can get deep and then it's one persons interpretation to another. So maybe it's best not to concern with that directly but look at the actions which result from their (muslim) interpretation and how it is imposed on modern day western life. So we know there are many customs and applications we don't approve of but if we had to make the argument on one point only, it will never be right in the mind and eyes of any normal western person for a man to have sex with a minor. And for that I would apply a punishment they are fond of...
heh, let me play historical devils advocate.

Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed. Why does God bring on menarche at the age of 12 or 13?

Quoting Stu Effex
https://youtu.be/m6jvLyzvlKg
I wish he would have just said, because if you believe anything in Christian bible you have to know that multiculturalism is illogical on it's face. Do Muslims believe in multiculturalism? How many churches are in Mecca?

That would have taken 30 seconds and would have been much more powerful.

Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I suspect you are right Dev. I think it's too little too late.
I hope we do not just roll over and die. Europe is the cradle of Modern civilization and too little too late is the best we get??

Quoting Stu Effex
The religious talk can get deep and then it's one persons interpretation to another. So maybe it's best not to concern with that directly but look at the actions which result from their (muslim) interpretation and how it is imposed on modern day western life. So we know there are many customs and applications we don't approve of but if we had to make the argument on one point only, it will never be right in the mind and eyes of any normal western person for a man to have sex with a minor. And for that I would apply a punishment they are fond of...
No. Let's just send them home. No need for killing unless they become aggressors.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,549
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:21am Mar 7, 2017 8:21am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} heh, let me play historical devils advocate. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed. Why does God bring on menarche at the age of 12 or 13? {quote} I wish he would have just said, because if you believe anything in Christian bible you have to know that multiculturalism is illogical on it's face. Do Muslims believe in multiculturalism? How many churches are in Mecca? That would have taken 30 seconds and would have been much more powerful.
JMN I have said I'm not religious and don't care if biologically they are prepared, it's not right end of story. We have laws which says it isn't right, I have personal sensibility which says it isn't right, so with all due respect the devil's advocate can F.Off, it's not up for discussion, it's wrong.
Devil's advocate is about seeing valid points in both sides of an argument. There is no valid side to an argument that could be positive about a girl's readiness for sex at the age of 12/13.
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  • #2,550
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:25am Mar 7, 2017 8:25am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} J watch vid post 2492 this thread, it's only short. There are many examples in the hadith and quran, the press like to isolate bits that suit their narrative, then leave great chunks behind.
I missed this post, and will do so immediately.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,551
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:26am Mar 7, 2017 8:26am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} heh, let me play historical devils advocate. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed. Why does God bring on menarche at the age of 12 or 13? {quote} I wish he would have just said, because if you believe anything in Christian bible you have to know that multiculturalism is illogical on it's face. Do Muslims believe in multiculturalism? How many churches are in Mecca? That would have taken 30 seconds and would have been much more powerful. {quote} I hope we do not just roll over and die. Europe is the cradle of Modern civilization and too...
What do you mean ? "too little too late is the best we get" . I said that about what the EU court has ruled, this is purely a reaction to the political unrest with regard to the mass migration into EU. This should have been addressed long ago. It doesn't deal with the masses that are already in. I can give solutions on a personal basis, I see it all very easy to deal with but it won't align with current elected government.
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  • #2,552
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:35am Mar 7, 2017 8:35am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} heh, let me play historical devils advocate. Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed. Why does God bring on menarche at the age of 12 or 13? {quote} I wish he would have just said, because if you believe anything in Christian bible you have to know that multiculturalism is illogical on it's face. Do Muslims believe in multiculturalism? How many churches are in Mecca? That would have taken 30 seconds and would have been much more powerful. {quote} I hope we do not just roll over and die. Europe is the cradle of Modern civilization and too...
"No need for killing unless they become aggressors" I disagree and I was specifically referring to the deviants who think it is ok to marry and have sex with children. I don't want to spend a penny on educating them or jailing them, just execute them.
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  • #2,553
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:35am Mar 7, 2017 8:35am
Quoting Stu Effex
https://youtu.be/hkOPHu1w73Q
What is so is that this verse is not original.

Matthew 25:40. Sound familiar?

As far as Hollywood, not too long ago, Hollywood was the mouthpiece of the Jews. I will let you put the connection together.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,554
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:39am Mar 7, 2017 8:39am
[quote=jmn5611;9636186]{quote} What is so is that this verse is not original. Matthew 25:40. Sound familiar? As far as Hollywood, not too long ago, Hollywood was the mouthpiece of the Jews. I will let you put the connection together.[/q

I don't know why you keep referring me to religious text or interpretation. Can you just talk about things without it ? The contentious issues do not need to rely on religious talk to justify or condemn.
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  • #2,555
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:40am Mar 7, 2017 8:40am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} "No need for killing unless they become aggressors" I disagree and I was specifically referring to the deviants who think it is ok to marry and have sex with children. I don't want to spend a penny on educating them or jailing them, just execute them.
If they are Ishamaelites, send them home.

The Ishamaelites have also been blessed by God. Nothing man made will destroy them. God himself saved Ishmael from certain death. Send them home, but do not kill any of them unless they attempt to kill you. In the case of rape, turn them over to the family of the child they raped. In the case of child brides. Well, Elvis married a child. So I need your definition to be a bit more clear.

[quote=Stu Effex;9636216]
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} What is so is that this verse is not original. Matthew 25:40. Sound familiar? As far as Hollywood, not too long ago, Hollywood was the mouthpiece of the Jews. I will let you put the connection together.[/q I don't know why you keep referring me to religious text or interpretation. Can you just talk about things without it ? The contentious issues do not need to rely on religious talk to justify or condemn.
No, all of society is based on religion. The West is Christendom. You have to know the history of the formation of the current civilization that we are in to understand fully what is going on.

Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} What do you mean ? "too little too late is the best we get" . I said that about what the EU court has ruled, this is purely a reaction to the political unrest with regard to the mass migration into EU. This should have been addressed long ago. It doesn't deal with the masses that are already in. I can give solutions on a personal basis, I see it all very easy to deal with but it won't align with current elected government.
The solution is simple. The answer at least 1000 years old. The Ishmaelites will contend with everyone around them outside of their natural borders. You do not like religion, and that is fine, but it seems to me that the book of Genesis had it right. It would be very hard to argue against what God told Hagar.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,556
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:49am Mar 7, 2017 8:49am
Quoting jmn5611
If they are Ishamaelites, send them home.
Where is home? They are British citizens. Some were born here. Those who aren't and arrived on the back of a lorry have no paperwork.
  • #2,557
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:55am Mar 7, 2017 8:55am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} What is so is that this verse is not original. Matthew 25:40. Sound familiar? As far as Hollywood, not too long ago, Hollywood was the mouthpiece of the Jews. I will let you put the connection together.
Jmn, do you believe in creationism? That the world is only 4000 years old?
  • #2,558
  • Mar 7, 2017 8:57am Mar 7, 2017 8:57am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} If they are Ishamaelites, send them home. The Ishamaelites have also been blessed by God. Nothing man made will destroy them. God himself saved Ishmael from certain death. Send them home, but do not kill any of them unless they attempt to kill you. In the case of rape, turn them over to the family of the child they raped. In the case of child brides. Well, Elvis married a child. So I need your definition to be a bit more clear.
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} No, all of society is based on religion. The West is Christendom. You have to
...
J are you trying to justify the sexual persuit of 12/13 year olds ? My definition was clear I don't care if elvis, the pope, mohamed or any other arsehole. For most it is abhorrent, not even a positive side to that argument. Within their culture it is ok to take a child bride, they are in my country with those beliefs. I don't need 1000 year old religious texts to tell me it's wrong and know 100% how I would deal with them.
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  • #2,559
  • Mar 7, 2017 9:19am Mar 7, 2017 9:19am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Where is home? They are British citizens. Some were born here. Those who aren't and arrived on the back of a lorry have no paperwork.
If they are Brits they will assume English manners and customs. If they fail to do this, send them back to the House of Saud.

Quoting Stu Effex
{quote}{quote} J are you trying to justify the sexual persuit of 12/13 year olds ? My definition was clear I don't care if elvis, the pope, mohamed or any other arsehole. For most it is abhorrent, not even a positive side to that argument. Within their culture it is ok to take a child bride, they are in my country with those beliefs. I don't need 1000 year old religious texts to tell me it's wrong and know 100% how I would deal with them.
I did that to let you know that the definitions of "woman" is different all over the world. Even here in the USA from state to state. What say ye?

Quoting jen101
{quote} Jmn, do you believe in creationism? That the world is only 4000 years old?
Yes, I believe in creationism. It is the only logical path.

No, I do not believe the earth is 4000 years old.

A day in the eyes of the Lord is like 1000 years. And that is just an estimate. It has been proven that carbon dating has some significant flaws. So it is entirely possible that creationism and evolution may be one and the same. If you read Genesis carefully, Adam and Eve were not the first humans on Earth.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,560
  • Mar 7, 2017 9:26am Mar 7, 2017 9:26am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} If they are Brits they will assume English manners and customs. If they fail to do this, send them back to the House of Saud. {quote} I did that to let you know that the definitions of "woman" is different all over the world. Even here in the USA from state to state. What say ye?
If they are British citizens, under international law they cannot be removed from their own country unless they have dual citizenship.. If they are EU citizens they cannot be removed because they have the right to remain under EU laws and EU human right legislation. If they are foreign criminals or hate preachers, they have the right to remain under EU human rights laws, probably because there might be a risk of torture in their home country or that the prison in their home country houses more than two convicts per cell or hasn't got a Sky subscription
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