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  • #1,093,661
  • Feb 28, 2017 3:59am Feb 28, 2017 3:59am
Quoting Ata-Turkoglu
{quote} I think I have the right to ask you why are you still trading if you believe market is pure manipulation? Because if someone tells me that all my opponents sitting on a poker table are cheaters I as a logical person wouldn't play poker with them.. simple analogy.. so why (I am really curious) are you still trading? Is that some sort of challenge? Or is there some deep voice inside you that whispers "No no there is no manipulation.. you can still make money" Which one is it?
It's just fun
...hey, seriously, who ever stopped any retailer to go with the "manipulation" flow and be a winner?
Meaning: manipulation doesn't necessary make all of us losers!
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  • #1,093,662
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:02am Feb 28, 2017 4:02am
Quoting Ata-Turkoglu
{quote} I think I have the right to ask you why are you still trading if you believe market is pure manipulation? Because if someone tells me that all my opponents sitting on a poker table are cheaters I as a logical person wouldn't play poker with them.. simple analogy.. so why (I am really curious) are you still trading? Is that some sort of challenge? Or is there some deep voice inside you that whispers "No no there is no manipulation.. you can still make money" Which one is it?
It is definitely manipulated to a certain degree, just think of the last 1-2 minutes of an hour moves which can completely change the shape of the candle (latest example a minute ago GBPUSD). That doesn't mean you can't make money trading it. Anyone who watches smaller than 4H+ charts can notice it.
  • #1,093,663
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:06am Feb 28, 2017 4:06am
Quoting mades
{quote} It is definitely manipulated to a certain degree, just think of the last 1-2 minutes of an hour moves which can completely change the shape of the candle (latest example a minute ago GBPUSD). That doesn't mean you can't make money trading it. Anyone who watches smaller than 4H+ charts can notice it.
That GBP move just trigered my trade short GBP/USD
  • #1,093,664
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:07am Feb 28, 2017 4:07am
The Hour is come... .0590 should be off the move now,looking at .0625 next
Nothing stands in the way of a person's will -THE MYSTICS
  • #1,093,665
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:08am Feb 28, 2017 4:08am
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Sorry, pal. I didn't said anything about you. It wasn't about you. Was about internet trolls. (ok, the tetris was a friendly joke) You're my friend here because you sincerely show me my faults helping me to be a better man. Of course you look sometimes just bored or just very negative or emo... but it's just you, and we all love you as you are
awsome reply.
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  • #1,093,666
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:09am Feb 28, 2017 4:09am
Quoting yanitsa
{quote} That GBP move just trigered my trade short GBP/USD
It reversed mine and yet it is very possible it will fail again. I swear I won't trade these London-only hours anymore, it's just fucking untradeable, changing direction every single hour.
  • #1,093,667
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:13am Feb 28, 2017 4:13am
swiss franc took the role of the euro yesterday....
  • #1,093,668
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:18am Feb 28, 2017 4:18am
Quoting basitata
{quote} awsome reply.
I think so , too

But I refrain from throwing oil to the fire . . . It creates smog

  • #1,093,669
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:19am Feb 28, 2017 4:19am
Quoting yanitsa
{quote} That GBP move just trigered my trade short GBP/USD
You see what I'm talking about now? It took 15 minutes to completely AGAIN reverse it. Why did it drop last minute, who benefited from that? Im so sick of this shit, I never see this during asian or ny, never.
  • #1,093,670
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:20am Feb 28, 2017 4:20am
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} It's just fun ...hey, seriously, who ever stopped any retailer to go with the "manipulation" flow and be a winner? Meaning: manipulation doesn't necessary make all of us losers!
Quoting mades
{quote} It is definitely manipulated to a certain degree, just think of the last 1-2 minutes of an hour moves which can completely change the shape of the candle (latest example a minute ago GBPUSD). That doesn't mean you can't make money trading it. Anyone who watches smaller than 4H+ charts can notice it.
I agree with you both.. My conclusion is this there are 2 types of manipulation talkers (if not more):

Group A)
Those who for many simple or complex reasons can't make enough profits or no profits at all start bringing the "manipulation" topic up the most so they can blame other sources for their inexperienced decisions..

Group B)
Those who make good money but are greedy and want more and think they could make much more if market were just not manipulated.

In both cases manipulation or RB or any other sofisticated name doesn't play any role for happy, well earning traders.. not for me.. It never did as soon as I started making consistent and good money I stopped thinking about it.. It doesn't exist.. not for the 1%.. but surely the manipulation topic must be a wallpaper or screensaver to the 99% of traders that shows up again and again in their daily routine..

Consistent 10 pips a day is enough to become a millionaire.. and even manipulated, the market can provide that 10 pip per day to you.. If you can't achieve that learn better ways to trade.. the rest is noise.

My humble opinion..

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Focus only on what truly matters!
  • #1,093,671
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:28am Feb 28, 2017 4:28am
Quoting Ata-Turkoglu
I started making consistent and good money I stopped thinking about it.. It doesn't exist.. not for the 1%.. but surely the manipulation topic must be a wallpaper or screensaver to the 99% of traders that shows up again and again in their daily routine.. Consistent 10 pips a day is enough to become a millionaire.. and even manipulated, the market can provide that 10 pip per day to you.. If you can't achieve that learn better ways to trade.. the rest is noise. My humble opinion.....
The greatest word of the day
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  • #1,093,672
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:37am Feb 28, 2017 4:37am
i got stopped and my buy order triggered lol if this retraces back to 1.0583 ill hate london too
  • #1,093,673
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:42am Feb 28, 2017 4:42am
Quoting Windstrown
i got stopped and my buy order triggered lol if this retraces back to 1.0583 ill hate london too
the same here
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  • #1,093,674
  • Feb 28, 2017 4:43am Feb 28, 2017 4:43am
Quoting Connors
{quote} {quote} There is no robber bank! Not in the way you keep complaining about, stop this nonsense. You have a demo account where you want to satisfy yourself, which is fine. Even if you have a live account, do you honestly believe that all the high street banks are after your or my irrelevant amount of capital??!!?? Lets try to make an educated guess about all the retailer forex traders live accounts, how much do you believe it is in dollar amount? 1 billion, 2 billion USD. Lets make it 10 B. Do you think this is a relevant amount for high...
Thinking and worse believing in an idea of there are robber banks trying to nick our dollars and cents by moving a major pair up down 20-30 pips.. Only underdeveloped brains can believe in such a travesty. Get a grip people! Nobody in a prime bank cares about your few thousands dollars, not one single soul. If you think we are all sitting at the same table, I really am sorry for you. Actually I am not. Keep creating monsters in your free time, blame everything else other than your incompetence. Do not read, do not think, dont every try to be creative or analyse market behaviour and derived changes related to it.
  • #1,093,675
  • Feb 28, 2017 5:06am Feb 28, 2017 5:06am
Quoting mades
{quote} You see what I'm talking about now? It took 15 minutes to completely AGAIN reverse it. Why did it drop last minute, who benefited from that? Im so sick of this shit, I never see this during asian or ny, never.
Stop above 1.2450
  • #1,093,676
  • Feb 28, 2017 5:11am Feb 28, 2017 5:11am
Quoting Connors
{quote} Thinking and worse believing in an idea of there are robber banks trying to nick our dollars and cents by moving a major pair up down 20-30 pips.. Only underdeveloped brains can believe in such a travesty. Get a grip people! Nobody in a prime bank cares about your few thousands dollars, not one single soul. If you think we are all sitting at the same table, I really am sorry for you. Actually I am not. Keep creating monsters in your free time, blame everything else other than your incompetence. Do not read, do not think, dont every try to...
Well I wouldn't see it so black 'n' white. While retail forex is only around 6% of total market but:

98% of traders lose and as some institutional traders said even here on FF (years ago): You would be surprised how little is sometimes needed to move market by 20-30 pip. It might be way less than 1 yard.

Now retails do around $300 bil daily turnover and if 98% of them lose, that is a lot of money to be taken on the table.
  • #1,093,677
  • Feb 28, 2017 5:22am Feb 28, 2017 5:22am
Quoting mades
{quote} Well I wouldn't see it so black 'n' white. While retail forex is only around 6% of total market but: 98% of traders lose and as some institutional traders said even here on FF (years ago): You would be surprised how little is sometimes needed to move market by 20-30 pip. It might be way less than 1 yard. Now retails do around $300 bil daily turnover and if 98% of them lose, that is a lot of money to be taken on the table.

So you base your idea on this statement. Yes then it must be true if you had seen it on FF. And you are sure about retailers generating 300 B volume daily.

Seriously, I am lost for words. I am done with this topic. Lets move on.
  • #1,093,678
  • Feb 28, 2017 5:31am Feb 28, 2017 5:31am
Quoting Connors
{quote} So you base your idea on this statement. Yes then it must be true if you had seen it on FF. And you are sure about retailers generating 300 B volume daily. Seriously, I am lost for words. I am done with this topic. Lets move on.
retails 282B daily

source: http://www.bis.org/publ/rpfx16fx.pdf

There is no way to get an information about how much is needed to move the market at certain times, only anecdotes of others. This was claimed by respected traders years before you joined FF. FF doesnt exist since december 2015.

You should seriously drop your arrogant attitude, just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not possible.
  • #1,093,679
  • Feb 28, 2017 5:34am Feb 28, 2017 5:34am
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} the same here
you scared about this press conference this eve? i think it might make yen stronger and dollar stronger so i am lol freaking triggering orders
  • #1,093,680
  • Feb 28, 2017 5:37am Feb 28, 2017 5:37am
Quoting mades
{quote} Well I wouldn't see it so black 'n' white. While retail forex is only around 6% of total market but: 98% of traders lose and as some institutional traders said even here on FF (years ago): You would be surprised how little is sometimes needed to move market by 20-30 pip. It might be way less than 1 yard. Now retails do around $300 bil daily turnover and if 98% of them lose, that is a lot of money to be taken on the table.
98% of traders are losing money is a myth..

The winning traders are about 20-30%... If you check on myfxbook you can that right now 47% of the trading accounts are profitable..
Buy at the Low, Sell at the High You make money by waiting not by trading.
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