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  • #2,081
  • Jan 10, 2017 1:36am Jan 10, 2017 1:36am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Chino Welcome to T.I.O.F Correct, it is a demand zone It is important for those taking day trades that given where price is, taking shorts is lower probability best wishes
Thanks Akt, closed my shorts earlier on GA as well.
Should we go long since it is in the Demand Zone?
  • #2,082
  • Jan 10, 2017 3:37am Jan 10, 2017 3:37am
Hello TIOF,

First post here, getting back to the groove of things.

I do realise my chart isn't as clean as I want it to be, will be working on that a little!

Saw this little opportunity for a decent 1:3 RR opportunity. Wasn't a set and forget trade opportunity, however saw that it took out a demand zone and entering a nested demand zone the R:R was good enough and took it!

Disclaimer: Very rusty. Also, I am aware that the target set was higher than 1:3, only realised after the screenshot was taken, TP is lower than as depicted.

Hoping to get back into it, I've set myself a small goal of a minimum of 2 posts a week. Looking forward to grow with the community! Do correct me if anyone spot anything that's blatantly wrong.

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  • #2,083
  • Jan 10, 2017 4:29am Jan 10, 2017 4:29am
Hi guys, any scalpers here today?
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  • #2,084
  • Jan 10, 2017 4:40am Jan 10, 2017 4:40am
Quoting TophatTrader
Hello TIOF, First post here, getting back to the groove of things. I do realise my chart isn't as clean as I want it to be, will be working on that a little! Saw this little opportunity for a decent 1:3 RR opportunity. Wasn't a set and forget trade opportunity, however saw that it took out a demand zone and entering a nested demand zone the R:R was good enough and took it! Disclaimer: Very rusty. Also, I am aware that the target set was higher than 1:3, only realised after the screenshot was taken, TP is lower than as depicted. Hoping to get back...
I don't get it, assuming your HTF is monthly, which by itself its clearly on a downtrend, you are entering long based on the execution timeframe?
Shouldn't you be looking to start looking for longs when price reach you M DZ?
To me this trade makes more sense if you HTF is the Daily, wich is my case, and currently I'm looking at same setup, however waiting for confirmation on the H1 timeframe.
I'm a noob in this methodology, so bear in mind that I'm learning as well

regards
thinking outside the box
  • #2,085
  • Jan 10, 2017 4:49am Jan 10, 2017 4:49am
Quoting Mr.PhiBo
Hi guys, any scalpers here today? Zrzut ekranu 2017-01-10 o 11.25.04.png;2133117 {image}
hello Mr.PhiBo, i am with you on this one
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  • #2,086
  • Jan 10, 2017 4:56am Jan 10, 2017 4:56am
also a quick short on USDJPY 30mins supply zone....
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  • #2,087
  • Jan 10, 2017 5:08am Jan 10, 2017 5:08am
nobody here use supply and demand along with fibs?
  • #2,088
  • Jan 10, 2017 5:57am Jan 10, 2017 5:57am
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  • #2,089
  • Jan 10, 2017 7:11am Jan 10, 2017 7:11am
Quoting bleeze
{quote} hello Mr.PhiBo, i am with you on this one {image}
Great bleeze ! Where do you plan to exit?
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  • #2,090
  • Jan 10, 2017 9:24am Jan 10, 2017 9:24am
Quoting Szymon
hello everyone, I am new to this thread. I trade using vsa (volume spread analysis) - wondering have you ever tried to combine your attitude with vsa? for example to filter best quality S/D zones? regards, s.
hello everyone, hello Akt

once again- thank you for this thread, great work.
i am analytical mind. this is why probably i prefer step by step aproach. i am reading the hole thread (currently at 27 page). everything seems to be clear for me. one thing still comes back to my mind. the methodology is good, may be very good but (probably because of my lack of knowledge) also very unprecise. i mean the idea of opening the position at one edge of the zone and putting the stop above/below the second edge.
i believe you use a kind of filter which zone to trade and which not - you call it "quality of the zone" i believe could you please write a little bit more about it, with some examples if it is possible?

and last question, Akt, you were writing a couple o times about your fellow traders who use also other tools together with SAD. do you know anybody who combine it with VSA? take a look at the screen below - don't you think that filtering the best zones using volume is very good idea to force the probablity to work with/for us?

thank you in advance for your time and answer. regards, s.
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  • #2,091
  • Jan 10, 2017 9:31am Jan 10, 2017 9:31am
Quoting Szymon
{quote} hello everyone, hello Akt once again- thank you for this thread, great work. i am analytical mind. this is why probably i prefer step by step aproach. i am reading the hole thread (currently at 27 page). everything seems to be clear for me. one thing still comes back to my mind. the methodology is good, may be very good but (probably because of my lack of knowledge) also very unprecise. i mean the idea of opening the position at one edge of the zone and putting the stop above/below the second edge. i believe you use a kind of filter which...
Unless you're trading futures I can't see much value of adding VSA into forex, since at best you're getting a proxy of volume from your broker...
thinking outside the box
  • #2,092
  • Jan 10, 2017 10:23am Jan 10, 2017 10:23am
Quoting Mercennary
{quote} Unless you're trading futures I can't see much value of adding VSA into forex, since at best you're getting a proxy of volume from your broker...
yes, of course, sorry i didnt mention - i trade only futures
s.
Mind is like a parachute - it is useful only if open
  • #2,093
  • Jan 10, 2017 10:38am Jan 10, 2017 10:38am
Quoting Szymon
{quote} hello everyone, hello Akt once again- thank you for this thread, great work. i am analytical mind. this is why probably i prefer step by step aproach. i am reading the hole thread (currently at 27 page). everything seems to be clear for me. one thing still comes back to my mind. the methodology is good, may be very good but (probably because of my lack of knowledge) also very unprecise. i mean the idea of opening the position at one edge of the zone and putting the stop above/below the second edge. i believe you use a kind of filter which...
Hello Szymon
I understand what you are asking and why you ask.
I too have an analytical mind

Here is the thing. No matter how analytical i am, i am also practical. I do not expect to be able time my entries to the tick. Not only is that impossible, it is not realistic.
There must always be risk in trading, otherwise there will be no reward.
If i expect to time the market to the tick to where it would turn then i wouldn't need a stop. We know this is impractical

As per using volume in trading supply and demand, i too started out as a futures trader. Traded futures for several years.
The only benefit volume has in S.A.D is not in identifying quality zones but more in identifying zones formed in more liquid periods of the markets
And even then, those formed in more liquid periods only have a slight edge over those formed in less liquid periods
In addition, in trading futures, remember volume is really only useful when used in this way in the intra-day periods.

VSA is a useful method for those who trade VSA, no doubt. Talking about being imprecise, VSA is probably one of the most imprecise methods i found. It has the trader waiting for confirmations with significant risks (not the same confirmations we speak of in S.A.D).
Like i said, it is very useful for those who use it and understand it. I understand it but don't use it.

I hope that helps

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #2,094
  • Jan 10, 2017 10:43am Jan 10, 2017 10:43am
Quoting here4dapips
nobody here use supply and demand along with fibs?
Hello here4dapips

Do you want to use Fibs with S.A.D? it is possible.

If i may offer some advice please, get really good at using S.A.D in itself first before layering it with other tools.

S.A.D works well with indicators but here is what i have found, traders who have not been grounded in the methodology first will very quickly start deferring more and more to the indicators for their decision making rather than S.A.D.
We all know how that usually ends right?

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #2,095
  • Jan 10, 2017 11:08am Jan 10, 2017 11:08am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Szymon I understand what you are asking and why you ask. I too have an analytical mind Here is the thing. No matter how analytical i am, i am also practical. I do not expect to be able time my entries to the tick. Not only is that impossible, it is not realistic. There must always be risk in trading, otherwise there will be no reward. If i expect to time the market to the tick to where it would turn then i wouldn't need a stop. We know this is impractical As per using volume in trading supply and demand, i too started out as a futures...
thank you Akt, for your answer.
you are correct, it is not possible to be at every tick i am also trying to be practical and this is why i am asking about filtering the zones.
do you trade every valid zone you notice? valid i mean properly created and correct according to your decision matrix. or do you filter them out somehow? do you have your min r/r ratio?

sorry but i have plenty of questions to you i write them down while reading the thread. the more i read the more answers i get but also next questions apeared
i still feel a little bit uncomfortable with all these questions, sorry and thank yo again for you time and good will.

regards,
s.
Mind is like a parachute - it is useful only if open
  • #2,096
  • Edited 12:08pm Jan 10, 2017 11:21am | Edited 12:08pm
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone GBPAUD, looking at the day trader's perspective best wishesgbpaud daily ff.PNG;2131139 {image}
Hello Akt, I very apriciate your thread. What is our opinion about long on GBP/AUD? Demand zone is noticeably broken, but situation on M30 now looks as a entry confirmation.

Thank you.

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  • #2,097
  • Jan 10, 2017 12:11pm Jan 10, 2017 12:11pm
Quoting Szymon
{quote} - you call it "quality of the zone" {image}
may someone be that kind to give me a hint to the vids on the youtube channel where this topic is explained in a proper way. Thank you!
  • #2,098
  • Jan 10, 2017 12:29pm Jan 10, 2017 12:29pm
Quoting LeGrice
{quote} may someone be that kind to give me a hint to the vids on the youtube channel where this topic is explained in a proper way. Thank you!
There is a video in the first post. Just open it in youtube site and there you go...
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBf...ZS7J4oOx3hHl3g
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  • #2,099
  • Jan 10, 2017 12:38pm Jan 10, 2017 12:38pm
Quoting lifon
{quote} Hello Akt, I very apriciate your thread. What is our opinion about long on GBP/AUD? Demand zone is noticeably broken, but situation on M30 now looks as a entry confirmation. Thank you. 20170110_1913_GBPAUD.png;2134002 {image}
Hello Lifon.
Welcome to T.I.O.F

Here are my thoughts

best wishes
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  • #2,100
  • Jan 10, 2017 12:42pm Jan 10, 2017 12:42pm
@ Mr.PhiBo
i ve seen that. thank you. just wondering, if there is a video which is covering the topic "quality of the zone" explicitly
but most likely it is just mentioned in all of them somehow...
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