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  • #1,082,981
  • Dec 7, 2016 3:45pm Dec 7, 2016 3:45pm
Quoting Don96
{quote} ohh okay, so they hit expiry at 3pm london time, and have to have above the price to be in the money? i guess they do because them being at the exact price at exactly 3pm is pretty low chances... im a bit confused, i read somewhere that they can expiry at 9pm UK time... that one for 1.0x billion at 1.0750... price wasat 1.072x at this point - so the company lost x amount on that option... as soon as it expired... price rose and didnt look back??????
It would depend on if it was a put or call option...a put was in the money and was paid, a call would have been out of the money and the holder of the option would be out just the premium he paid for the option.If this stuff interests you here is the link http://orders.forexlive.com/ good info. hope this helps you.
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  • #1,082,982
  • Dec 7, 2016 3:51pm Dec 7, 2016 3:51pm
Quoting Spartanholds
{quote} It would depend on if it was a put or call option...a put was in the money and was paid, a call would have been out of the money and the holder of the option would be out just the premium he paid for the option.If this stuff interests you here is the link http://orders.forexlive.com/ good info. hope this helps you.
okay so whats the difference there? why does put win 1.0x billion and call doesn't?

i feel there is a lot to read about... the payout was 1.0x billion, trade size obviously wasn't that, but my question is WHY on the expiry at x oclock, did the price not drop ( i take it that there was a lot of buying pressure as the option person would want the option to hit the price)

my only other thought is the other side of the trade was more... they traded against it and as soon as the option expired they eased of selling or even started buying - and causing the price to rise like it did....??????????
  • #1,082,983
  • Dec 7, 2016 3:52pm Dec 7, 2016 3:52pm
Quoting NotAtrader
{quote} And why should we believe that you know what you are doing? As I said you need to learn what respect means and accept that other people can be successful traders too, if not better than you. Who are you anyway?! And what makes you think that you own this forum?
Peace, bro! The forum is about learning and sharing. Not for ego show or to trade insults. Each trader decides what s/he takes from the forum and each owns the outcome of his/her trade. Btw, there are many ways to succeed in this business. Let's make this thread sane. Lol.

KP
Do your homework, follow the footprints of smart money
  • #1,082,984
  • Dec 7, 2016 3:55pm Dec 7, 2016 3:55pm
Quoting Don96
{quote} ohh okay, so they hit expiry at 3pm london time, and have to have above the price to be in the money? i guess they do because them being at the exact price at exactly 3pm is pretty low chances... im a bit confused, i read somewhere that they can expiry at 9pm UK time... that one for 1.0x billion at 1.0750... price wasat 1.072x at this point - so the company lost x amount on that option... as soon as it expired... price rose and didnt look back??????
EXAMPLES:

Plain Vanilla Options:
1-I sell EU 1.07 Puts that expire @ 10AM
***As long as price is above 1.07 @ 10AM then I keep the $$ I collected for selling the Puts.
***If the price is below 1.07 @ 10AM then I will have the lots "put" to me @ a price of 1.07 so I need $$ in my account to buy.

2-I sell EU 1.07 Calls that expire @ 10AM
***If price closes below 1.07 @ 10AM then I keep the $$ I collected for selling the Calls.
***If price closes above 1.07 @ 10AM then I will have my position "called" away or I'll be short EU if I don't have the long position in my account.

3-The reverse applies if buying options.

Barrier Options (Touch Options)

***Various ways to trade this but different from plain vanilla in that price only has to touch(or NOT touch) the strike price before expiration & doesn't have to close above/below a certain price @ a certain time.

***Sorry, don't want to explain all the details :-)
  • #1,082,985
  • Dec 7, 2016 4:01pm Dec 7, 2016 4:01pm
Quoting srt
{quote} EXAMPLES: Plain Vanilla Options: 1-I sell EU 1.07 Puts that expire @ 10AM ***As long as price is above 1.07 @ 10AM then I keep the $$ I collected for selling the Puts. ***If the price is below 1.07 @ 10AM then I will have the lots "put" to me @ a price of 1.07 so I need $$ in my account to buy. 2-I sell EU 1.07 Calls that expire @ 10AM ***If price closes below 1.07 @ 10AM then I keep the $$ I collected for selling the Calls. ***If price closes above 1.07 @ 10AM then I will have my position "called" away or I'll be short EU if I don't have...
ah shit, im confused...
you sell at 1.07... but if price is above you keep $$ you collected? collected from where?

any chance you could explain it with that 1.0750 for $1.0x billion? cheers
  • #1,082,986
  • Dec 7, 2016 4:02pm Dec 7, 2016 4:02pm
Quoting srt
{quote} EXAMPLES: Plain Vanilla Options: 1-I sell EU 1.07 Puts that expire @ 10AM ***As long as price is above 1.07 @ 10AM then I keep the $$ I collected for selling the Puts. ***If the price is below 1.07 @ 10AM then I will have the lots "put" to me @ a price of 1.07 so I need $$ in my account to buy. 2-I sell EU 1.07 Calls that expire @ 10AM ***If price closes below 1.07 @ 10AM then I keep the $$ I collected for selling the Calls. ***If price closes above 1.07 @ 10AM then I will have my position "called" away or I'll be short...
It doesnt get any better then that srt....good explanation...thank you.
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  • #1,082,987
  • Dec 7, 2016 4:03pm Dec 7, 2016 4:03pm
what does this show?
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  • #1,082,988
  • Dec 7, 2016 4:05pm Dec 7, 2016 4:05pm
Quoting Don96
{quote} ah shit, im confused... you sell at 1.07... but if price is above you keep $$ you collected? collected from where? any chance you could explain it with that 1.0750 for $1.0x billion? cheers
If I sell a put @ 1.07 then someone else bought the put from me.
Price closes above 1.07 so the buyer loses the money & I keep the money.

For the seller to make $$, price just needs to close above 1.07.
For the buyer to make $$, price must close below 1.07 plus the price they paid for the put.
  • #1,082,989
  • Dec 7, 2016 4:10pm Dec 7, 2016 4:10pm
Quoting KeenPips
{quote} Peace, bro! The forum is about learning and sharing. Not for ego show or to trade insults. Each trader decides what s/he takes from the forum and each owns the outcome of his/her trade. Btw, there are many ways to succeed in this business. Let's make this thread sane. Lol. KP
Yes KP I fully agree and your message should be addressed to everyone involved in this case. I did never put other's strategies and profits under question. But as soon as I said that I make profit, the so called experts in this forum wanted to eat me alive and started calling me mentally unstable who is only seeking attention and making people losing their money by telling lies and so on and so on. All they are for sure good traders, but they simply do not respect other's opinions and cannot accept that someone, who doesn't obey they complicated systems, can make so much money.

Anyways let's trade and good luck everyone

NaT
No username yet? You are on my ignore list. Fuck off and do not quote me!
  • #1,082,990
  • Dec 7, 2016 4:24pm Dec 7, 2016 4:24pm
Quoting NotAtrader
{quote} Yes KP I fully agree and your message should be addressed to everyone involved in this case. I did never put other's strategies and profits under question. But as soon as I said that I make profit, the so called experts in this forum wanted to eat me alive and started calling me mentally unstable who is only seeking attention and making people losing their money by telling lies and so on and so on. All they are for sure good traders, but they simply do not respect other's opinions and cannot accept that someone, who doesn't obey they complicated...
Resolved! Green pips to all.

KP
Do your homework, follow the footprints of smart money
  • #1,082,991
  • Dec 7, 2016 4:26pm Dec 7, 2016 4:26pm
Quoting NotAtrader
{quote} Yes KP I fully agree and your message should be addressed to everyone involved in this case. I did never put other's strategies and profits under question. But as soon as I said that I make profit, the so called experts in this forum wanted to eat me alive and started calling me mentally unstable who is only seeking attention and making people losing their money by telling lies and so on and so on. All they are for sure good traders, but they simply do not respect other's opinions and cannot accept that someone, who doesn't obey they complicated...
Amen Brother....there is more than one way to skin a cat....
I may not be right...BUT, I am never wrong
  • #1,082,992
  • Dec 7, 2016 4:30pm Dec 7, 2016 4:30pm
Quoting Spartanholds
{quote} Amen Brother....there is more than one way to skin a cat....
No username yet? You are on my ignore list. Fuck off and do not quote me!
  • #1,082,993
  • Dec 7, 2016 5:50pm Dec 7, 2016 5:50pm
Trading is moving kinda slow recently. Isn't there supposed to be a Santa Claus rally sometime soon?
  • #1,082,994
  • Dec 7, 2016 6:33pm Dec 7, 2016 6:33pm
Quoting bestchao14
Trading is moving kinda slow recently. Isn't there supposed to be a Santa Claus rally sometime soon?
Watching the wrong markets.
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  • #1,082,995
  • Dec 7, 2016 6:45pm Dec 7, 2016 6:45pm
Ok, EJ has had enough consolidation, enough people have shorted it & many closed from below for small profits, it's time to continue the up trend.
  • #1,082,996
  • Dec 7, 2016 8:53pm Dec 7, 2016 8:53pm
Quoting KeenPips
{quote} Resolved! Green pips to all. KP
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KeenPips rule
SRT also
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Good explanation guys.
Don, please read about options. They are like insurance. Ok?
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And all that haggling, who said what when, how much..... It doesn't matter. Peace.
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Green pips.
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
  • #1,082,997
  • Dec 7, 2016 9:02pm Dec 7, 2016 9:02pm
Quoting Not-KPMG
{quote} KeenPips rule SRT also Good explanation guys. Don, please read about options. They are like insurance. Ok? And all that haggling, who said what when, how much..... It doesn't matter. Peace. Green pips.
Peace
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  • #1,082,998
  • Dec 7, 2016 9:21pm Dec 7, 2016 9:21pm
Bought
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  • #1,082,999
  • Dec 7, 2016 9:31pm Dec 7, 2016 9:31pm
Quoting yuddy
{quote} Since the ecb show is tomorrow, Asia gonna be very busy. Pals don't go sleeping, get ur coffee jar filled and stay awake. Asia gat juice for us.
I hope asia is giving y'all lotta juice?
  • #1,083,000
  • Dec 7, 2016 10:04pm Dec 7, 2016 10:04pm
SHORT @ 1.0779
TP: 1.0732
SL: NIL ( ADDICTED NSF ) " NON STOP LOSS FREAK

anyone else on the short wagon?
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