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  • #701
  • Oct 30, 2016 8:45am Oct 30, 2016 8:45am
Quoting jen101
{quote} If a burglar enters my house whilst I am there, I would grab the children and get the hell out, leave them to it and then call the police. The only things of value to me are photographs and videos and those are backed up. Everything else is insured and replaceable. I don't believe it's worth risking your life or that of your family's over possessions. There were 55 answers to date on the Quora piece, a mixture of Brits and Americans having lived in both countries.
You assume you will be able to escape or that the criminal is there just for your possessions and not you and your children. You also assume the police will arrive in a timely manner. My wife and I each have a handgun on our respective sides of the bed. Our bedroom is on the second floor. If a criminal was to make to our bedroom door during the night our only escape would be to break the windows and jump about 15 feet. I'd rather put a couple of .45 pieces of lead into the criminal's chest. Self protection is about self protection and defending your life...not possessions.

Again I care not what others think of the US. I only needed to read one or two answers to know what was coming in that Quora piece.

I am not in doubt about what true freedom is. It is not a question for me. Freedom as I see it was defined by the founding fathers of the US Constitution which was all about limiting the power of government, not empowering it. Centralized government in the US was reluctantly created. The anti-Federalists feared that even the strictest limitations on government over reach would eventually be overcome by the government itself. This has become a reality. As much as I love the US I am very concerned that our government now rules it's citizens.
  • #702
  • Oct 30, 2016 9:07am Oct 30, 2016 9:07am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} You assume you will be able to escape or that the criminal is there just for your possessions and not you and your children. You also assume the police will arrive in a timely manner. My wife and I each have a handgun on our respective sides of the bed. Our bedroom is on the second floor. If a criminal was to make to our bedroom door during the night our only escape would be to break the windows and jump about 15 feet. I'd rather put a couple of .45 pieces of lead into the criminal's chest. Self protection is about self protection and defending...
I understand. Your society is inherently different to ours in the sense that we do not ever feel the need to have to overthrow our government as we have a Monarchy. The Queen as our head of state retains the royal prerogative to dissolve Parliament should the need arise. Additionally, the armed forces are answerable ultimately to the ruling monarch.

I used to have a German Shepherd. I might look to get another dog, perhaps a German Shepherd/ Collie cross. No one would want to attack me or the kids with a big dog around. Also, I do know the police where I am and know they would be round in a matter of minutes if I were to call them.
  • #703
  • Oct 30, 2016 9:40am Oct 30, 2016 9:40am
Quoting jen101
{quote} I understand. Your society is inherently different to ours in the sense that we do not ever feel the need to have to overthrow our government as we have a Monarchy. The Queen as our head of state retains the royal prerogative to dissolve Parliament should the need arise. Additionally, the armed forces are answerable ultimately to the ruling monarch. I used to have a German Shepherd. I might look to get another dog, perhaps a German Shepherd/ Collie cross. No one would want to attack me or the kids with a big dog around. Also, I do...
Agreed. Hopefully we can reign in our government's power binge using constitutional provisions. Article 5 of the US constitution: "on the application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the several states" (presently 34), to "call a convention for proposing amendments".[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution#cite_note-A5convetion-5)

This is how the people can directly propose amendments to the US constitution. Our congress will not do this on their own. They are too drunk with their power and keeping the status quo. Such proposals could limit government power. Currently the "Convention of States" movement has already drafted a number of amendment proposals and may include the following:

  1. A balanced budget amendment
  2. A redefinition of the General Welfare Clause (the original view was the federal government could not spend money on any topic within the jurisdiction of the states)
  3. A redefinition of the Commerce Clause (the original view was that Congress was granted a narrow and exclusive power to regulate shipments across state lines–not all the economic activity of the nation)
  4. A prohibition of using international treaties and law to govern the domestic law of the United States
  5. A limitation on using Executive Orders and federal regulations to enact laws (since Congress is supposed to be the exclusive agency to enact laws)
  6. Imposing term limits on Congress and the Supreme Court
  7. Placing an upper limit on federal taxation
  8. Requiring the sunset of all existing federal taxes and a super-majority vote to replace them with new, fairer taxes

We have 3 dogs. One is a German Shepard/Boxer mix. But they are no guard dogs for sure other than their barking.

  • #704
  • Oct 30, 2016 10:34am Oct 30, 2016 10:34am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Agreed. Hopefully we can reign in our government's power binge using constitutional provisions. Article 5 of the US constitution: "on the application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the several states" (presently 34), to "call a convention for proposing amendments".[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution#cite_note-A5convetion-5) This is how the people can directly propose amendments to the US constitution. Our congress will not do this on their own. They are too drunk with their power...
If someone wanted to attack me, it would be a lot easier to ambush me in the street than in my own home. The chances of that happening are less than getting hit by a bus whilst crossing a road. It's not worth considering.
  • #705
  • Oct 30, 2016 1:38pm Oct 30, 2016 1:38pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} If someone wanted to attack me, it would be a lot easier to ambush me in the street than in my own home. The chances of that happening are less than getting hit by a bus whilst crossing a road. It's not worth considering.
Everyone should feel safe in their own home. Yet the facts are there:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245417/Burglary-victims-attacked-home-30-minutes.html
  • #706
  • Edited 2:47pm Oct 30, 2016 2:28pm | Edited 2:47pm
Dear gun lovers, please debate this (if you can)

Perhaps it's time someone makes you see the elephant in the room.

Nobody really believes [the right to bear arms is] about maintaining a militia. Its about having possession of a tool that makes a person feel powerful nearly to the point of exaltation. I am not saying that people who love guns inordinately are unstable; I am saying that a gun is the most powerful device there is to accessorize the ego.

I bet y'all have some really cute guns .... We all want a "big dick"

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  • #707
  • Oct 30, 2016 3:01pm Oct 30, 2016 3:01pm
Quoting Mingary
Dear gun lovers, please debate this (if you can) Perhaps it's time someone makes you see the elephant in the room. Nobody really believes [the right to bear arms is] about maintaining a militia. Its about having possession of a tool that makes a person feel powerful nearly to the point of exaltation. I am not saying that people who love guns inordinately are unstable; I am saying that a gun is the most powerful device there is to accessorize the ego. I bet y'all have some really cute guns .... We all want a "big dick" {image}
Nothing to debate here. Not even worth a reply.
  • #708
  • Edited 3:23pm Oct 30, 2016 3:13pm | Edited 3:23pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Nothing to debate here. Not even worth a reply.
Choose the item that would make you feel more powerful


1) a spoon
2) a gun

When you can answer neither, then you will know true power.
Of course, it would be rather silly to bring a spoon to a gun fight or drink soup with a Glock 26.
Jokes aside, as I mentioned in a previous post, most NRA / 2nd amendment enthusiasts have a romantic idea about guns that will get them killed in a combat situation either by accident or because they are just stupid and untrained. Fortunately, the great majority is never ever confronted to use a gun in a life or death situation. They just shoot at targets fantasizing they are shooting at terrorists, Hilary Clinton or liberals.
  • #709
  • Oct 30, 2016 10:34pm Oct 30, 2016 10:34pm
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The second amendment to the US constitution is clear and unambiguous except to those unfamiliar with the US constitution and it's origins.

MOST NRA and 2nd amendment enthusiasts are responsible gun owners have no romantic ideas nor do they make correlations between their guns and their genitalia. I own a .380 Sig Sauer which is quite small and a .45 PARA 1911 which is quite big in addition to several other small and large firearms.

Many gun owners are previous military or currently employed in law enforcement and thus are well-trained in the use of firearms. Responsible individuals who acquire firearms but have no formal training are usually exceedingly careful and eager to learn to use their weapons carefully. There is zero evidence that these individuals of which I am one fantasize about shooting at terrorists, Hilary Clinton or liberals although we have a healthy recognition of the damage they are doing to the US.

But your post, Mingary, does suggest that it is you who are fantasizing.
  • #710
  • Oct 30, 2016 10:52pm Oct 30, 2016 10:52pm
Quoting Winston Reed
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The second amendment to the US constitution is clear and unambiguous except to those unfamiliar with the US constitution and it's origins. MOST NRA and 2nd amendment enthusiasts are responsible gun owners have no romantic ideas nor do they make correlations between their guns and their genitalia. I own a .380 Sig Sauer which is quite small and a .45 PARA 1911 which is quite big in addition to several other...
I wouldn't even bother with this idiot! He often makes blanketed overt generalization based on hyperbole, is antagonistic in an attempt to get a rise out people, and usually is obtuse in his responses; he can't even put forth a cogent reasonable argument as evidenced by his previous posts on this site to support anything he says. Not worth wasting your time with people like this as they are perfectly content on supporting thuggish behavior of the left.
  • #711
  • Oct 30, 2016 10:54pm Oct 30, 2016 10:54pm
https://youtu.be/w9nt9xMNniY
  • #712
  • Oct 30, 2016 10:55pm Oct 30, 2016 10:55pm
https://youtu.be/cJV41gS2c8M
  • #713
  • Oct 30, 2016 11:05pm Oct 30, 2016 11:05pm
Quoting verv
American media this election:https://www.publicintegrity.org/2016/10/17/20330/journalists-shower-hillary-clinton-campaign-cash?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=watchdog&utm_medium=publici-email&goal=0_ffd1d0160d-9567d30c7c-100391041&mc_cid=9567d30c7c&mc_eid=a4a523f69c
https://youtu.be/DvlbZWZWz0M
  • #714
  • Oct 30, 2016 11:35pm Oct 30, 2016 11:35pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Fact, our burglaries tend not to involve guns. Yours do. Then it's a 50/50 chance on who gets shot first. Nice thought anyway . Where I live and in the surrounding villages, it's a sleepy little place with no crime. If you forget to lock your door, it's no big deal. Nevertheless, having your house well secured, alarmed with rapid response and camera surveillance is plenty of reassurance. I feel pretty safe here. Also, with 5 lever mortice locks as standard, internally glazed windows, alarms and surveillance equipment, it is highly...

Huh?

So what you are saying there are no guns in England that are used in Burglaries? I highly doubt that, the statistics simply don't support that statement.

How do you explain the rise in crime in the UK and Wales then?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12112024/Violent-crime-jumps-27-in-new-figures.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/21/england-wales-homicides-rise-knife-gun-crime
  • #715
  • Oct 30, 2016 11:42pm Oct 30, 2016 11:42pm
Quoting jen101
I agree that the majority of gun owners in the US are law abiding, responsible citizens. So why should the majority be punished? The majority of Muslims are peaceful, law abiding citizens. Trump is going to ban Muslims from entering America until he "can figure what the hell is going on." Is that not punishing the majority over the actions of a few? Is it not the same argument? https://youtu.be/cAoXgZLRee0 I can't see any country wanting to adopt the American laws on gun ownership. I wonder why if it is so great? {image} As to...
No it is not the same argument, because Gun control and immigration where national security is at stake are two separate issues. Also Trump said temporarily suspend visa's from Muslim countries where terrorist's are known to be from and vetting or verification can not be verified. As it is right now over 65% of visitors over stay their visa's and less than 0.02% are ever caught. That is a real problem right now and needs to be fixed A.S.A.P.

At least 480,000 people overstayed their visas last year, adding to a backlog thats reached some 5 million total, members of Congress said. But immigration agents launched investigations into just 10,000 of them, and arrested fewer than 2,000, less than 0.04 percent, saying the others dont rise to the level of being priority targets.
  • #716
  • Oct 31, 2016 1:44am Oct 31, 2016 1:44am
@ post 710

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{quote} I wouldn't even bother with this idiot! He often makes blanketed overt generalization based on hyperbole, is antagonistic in an attempt to get a rise out people, and usually is obtuse in his responses; he can't even put forth a cogent reasonable argument as evidenced by his previous posts on this site to support anything he says. Not worth wasting your time with people like this as they are perfectly content on supporting thuggish behavior of the left.

Speaking of blanket statement...

I can't wait to see the reaction from the "they want our guns" crowd when it's revealed that Trump-the-savior (yes, some of you believe he was prophesized) is actually working with HRC ...

"perfectly content on supporting thuggish behavior of the left" ? You have no idea what my views are. But here, I will tell you who I will vote for:

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Hint: most of humanity is sailing into the storm on a ship of fools.
  • #717
  • Edited 3:00am Oct 31, 2016 2:04am | Edited 3:00am
Quoting Winston Reed
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The second amendment to the US constitution is clear and unambiguous except to those unfamiliar with the US constitution and it's origins. MOST NRA and 2nd amendment enthusiasts are responsible gun owners have no romantic ideas nor do they make correlations between their guns and their genitalia. I own a .380 Sig Sauer which is quite small and a .45 PARA 1911 which is quite big in addition to several other...
I agree that responsible gun owners do exist. And the responsible gun owners must be in constant conflict with the NRA and 2nd amendment enthusiasts !
As with any ideology you will find the disturbing and destructive patterns; "logo" and "dogma" . MOST NRA and 2nd amendment enthusiasts do not have a clue what this means:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

... and they repeat it like a prayer, mantra and slogan. A bumper sticker is the most favored.
  • #718
  • Oct 31, 2016 3:28am Oct 31, 2016 3:28am
Hey! ...you guys have been busy over the weekend! I might not catch-up on all of it


Quoting jen101
The average IQ in America is 98. As I've mentioned in the past, I believe that the distribution is not even and it is likely to show a weighted bell curve, with a few very intelligent people and the majority below average. Someone with an IQ of 70 is considered to have mild learning difficulties. There will be plenty of people in that category and below. What's the IQ of a monkey? So that is effectively monkeys running around with guns. Whatever could go wrong?
The average IQ of an American is 100. That number is produced by statistical analysis of the data set and the 'average' is given the value 100. Therefore some number of people have an IQ less than 100 and an equal number of people have an IQ greater than 100.

If what you really meant to say is that on average Americans are more stupid than Britons then; a) I'm now going to hide ... b) I disagree

Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #719
  • Oct 31, 2016 3:29am Oct 31, 2016 3:29am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Mingary, I couldn't agree more! What about kids getting hold of guns? No matter how careful people think they are, if guns are a part of life, kids will get hold of them, Then of course the low IQ's are not careful. There are a lot of stories concerning guns, kids and accidents - even just one is too much.
Kids get hold of guns in the UK. That in itself is a feat of accomplishment because supposedly there are none to be had.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #720
  • Oct 31, 2016 3:35am Oct 31, 2016 3:35am
Quoting Mingary
..... .
Truly insane thinking. Many more people would have been killed. I shudder at the thought of your average "WallMart shopper" carrying a gun. Typically, joeBob with a gun will;
1) Drink lots of beer and shoot at targets "because it's fun".
2) accidentally shoot himself
3) Psychologically, the gun is his surrogate penis.
4) His child will play with the gun and kill someone or himself.
5) He will see some Arab looking dude (or black, or Mexican or a woman- whatever Trump said in the last speech) and shoot at him/her.

What part of the body does it represent for a woman...?
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