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  • #261
  • Oct 7, 2016 6:48am Oct 7, 2016 6:48am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} No way! Granted we had some bad years in the 80's and 90's but our cars have gotten a lot better since, especially Ford, and no one can beat our trucks. You have never driven a Mustang Shelby or Dodge Challenger? Pure Power, and exhilaration! I do like Aston Martin (one of my favorites) and the BMW M5, Audi SR6 is pretty sweet. Sorry, I edited this after further thought.
Admittedly my experience of American cars have all been hire cars whilst over there plus also what others have said. I guess reputation sticks for a while. The Ford Mondeo is actually a fantastic car and for the money could almost rival the BMW 5 series, so I give you that . The handling on the Mondeo is superb and very responsive.

My first car was a Golf, haha. But I wouldn't buy VW now. They seem quite unrefined and then there's that emissions thing. I love the look of Audis but they are just so noisy!

What is the price of fuel in the US at the moment? We're about £1.15 a litre, France is €1.20-1.40 so not that much in it (not last night!) Put up the price of fuel to our levels and you can pay off your national debt.... Putting up the price of fuel in America is on par with getting rid of the second amendment .

Quoting ThunderHeart
https://youtu.be/4ZVeC1gXYNE New debate topic
Or a parallel universe................................

Quoting ThunderHeart
A DR Sueus Character running for president! {image} Yep! Looks like a crazy woman to me!
Ok, I'm going to be a little bit of a devil's advocate here. Now you know where I stand on the political scale and that's probably more to the right than most. Assume then I wasn't. Assume I didn't care much about politics. More like most then?

I see Hillary as a motherly type; she will listen and make you feel better when you hit a bad patch, maybe someone you can confide in.
Obama is a gentleman. He will open doors and have impeccable manners. Approachable.
Bill Clinton is a charmer and will always say the right things. He will try hard to gain your trust.

Now Trump. I wouldn't go near him with a barge pole! He is unpredictable, volatile and comes across as a misogynist! He's a major turn off for women.

You may have a problem there.
  • #262
  • Oct 7, 2016 7:49am Oct 7, 2016 7:49am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Admittedly my experience of American cars have all been hire cars whilst over there plus also what others have said. I guess reputation sticks for a while. The Ford Mondeo is actually a fantastic car and for the money could almost rival the BMW 5 series, so I give you that . The handling on the Mondeo is superb and very responsive. My first car was a Golf, haha. But I wouldn't buy VW now. They seem quite unrefined and then there's that emissions thing. I love the look of Audis but they are just so noisy! What is the price of fuel...
I never heard of the Mondeo. There are some cars that are sold over seas that are not available to US consumers. For example, the Chrysler 300 Diesel which Singapore has quite a few, but we can't get them, which is an awesome car.

We buy by the gallon. (yes I know the old imperial system, ha!) We current pay around 2.20 Us Dollars per gal, but that varies depending on what state you are in due to Taxes.
  • #263
  • Edited 8:39am Oct 7, 2016 8:23am | Edited 8:39am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} I never heard of the Mondeo. There are some cars that are sold over seas that are not available to US consumers. For example, the Chrysler 300 Diesel which Singapore has quite a few, but we can't get them, which is an awesome car. We buy by the gallon. (yes I know the old imperial system, ha!) We current pay around 2.20 Us Dollars per gal, but that varies depending on what state you are in due to Taxes.
https://youtu.be/V3iryOgoElI
Same engine as the X type Jaguar. It's what I have at the moment. That's why I know it so well . It drives best when I'm alone and I can really throw it around, no weight and no one to be sick!

1 US gallon = 3.7854 litres
That would be £4.35 a gallon for you. Not that much at the moment, but when it was $2 to 1 ....
1.15 / litre is pretty cheap. Not long ago it hit 1.50 / litre. £5.68 a gallon? It's about time you paid more for your fuel!!!

Everything is cheaper in the US, about 20%. You pay a lot less in income tax too. At 100k a year salary, a UK worker would be 2k a month better off.
  • #264
  • Oct 7, 2016 8:32am Oct 7, 2016 8:32am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twt1M3wPCqc

this is the bike I would want in an ideal world - closest thing to 2015 motogp spec bike

as for a car, not 100% sure what I would want - got a hankering for a honda s2000, love the sound
  • #265
  • Oct 7, 2016 8:37am Oct 7, 2016 8:37am
Quoting jen101
{quote} French cars are abysmal! But they are not the worst... https://youtu.be/nenQI4HrUhk I want to have some fun!!
Many years ago whilst I was on business in Paris, I asked French guy why he had bought a new Renault 25 (I know, it's going back a few years) and his answer was "because it is French". I nearly choked. I thought he was going to say he got a great deal on it (nearly free or something) I hadn't got the heart to tell him that "because it is French" is not a reason, it's an affliction
  • #266
  • Oct 7, 2016 8:44am Oct 7, 2016 8:44am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Many years ago whilst I was on business in Paris, I asked French guy why he had bought a new Renault 25 (I know, it's going back a few years) and his answer was "because it is French". I nearly choked. I thought he was going to say he got a great deal on it (nearly free or something) I hadn't got the heart to tell him that "because it is French" is not a reason, it's an affliction
The 2CV is still very much in use.
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  • #267
  • Oct 7, 2016 9:03am Oct 7, 2016 9:03am
Quoting jen101
{quote} The 2CV is still very much in use. {image}
The 2CV and the D series are two of the few French cars that I admire from an engineering perspective. Everything else since then has been has been total cacky
  • #268
  • Oct 7, 2016 9:18am Oct 7, 2016 9:18am
Quoting jen101
.... Adaptive steering, head up display and night vision as well.
Night vision! I'm sold
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #269
  • Oct 7, 2016 9:33am Oct 7, 2016 9:33am
Quoting verv
{quote} I've been doing my motorcycle lessons - like wtf are all these tests for: CBT, Theory, Off Road Test (for cc group), On Road Test (for cc group) plus more tests if you don't do it on 500cc initially
It is all part of the secret government plan to reduce the number of motorcyclists. This has come about due to the number of young riders doing serious damage to themselves as technology has outpaced their abilities.

Go for direct access on a 500cc, otherwise you will just have to keep paying and wondering why.....

Quote
.... I've stopped going into Autumn / Winter, the roads are too wet.
You need to get that experience for the day when you are caught miles from home in an unexpected downpour. Also, if you've never driven a rear-wheel-drive car then find one and give it some stick (in an unnoticeable way )

Quote
Also was at my first motogp race this summer
Excellent!

I prefer watching on the TV due to the much better race coverage, and not having to stand in the cold and rain. I wish the BBC would bring motoGP back to the tele, and ditch that F1 crap.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #270
  • Oct 7, 2016 9:57am Oct 7, 2016 9:57am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Night vision! I'm sold
The active steering is more impressive.
https://youtu.be/48KSYBkhnfY
  • #271
  • Oct 7, 2016 10:09am Oct 7, 2016 10:09am
Quoting jen101
{quote} https://youtu.be/V3iryOgoElI Same engine as the X type Jaguar. It's what I have at the moment. That's why I know it so well . It drives best when I'm alone and I can really throw it around, no weight and no one to be sick! 1 US gallon = 3.7854 litres That would be 4.35 a gallon for you. Not that much at the moment, but when it was $2 to 1 .... 1.15 / litre is pretty cheap. Not long ago it hit 1.50 / litre. 5.68 a gallon? It's about time you paid more for your fuel!!! Everything is cheaper in the US, about...

About the fuel part, no we shouldn't pay more, we produce a lot of own Oil. We currently import about 70% with 40% coming from Canada. Also considering that we have such much untapped Oil at the moment, (with also a recent discovery in Alaska that would potentiall produce 100 million barrels a month we really don't need to import. One of Trump's plans is to become energy independent, which would be good for our economy. Now factor that aspect alone into the Globalist meme and you can understand why they want to stop Trump?

Also on the taxes, if you add the amount of taxes we pay, Corporate, Federal, State, Capital gains, Estate, and sales tax, plus the double tax American's living abroad have to pay, we pay the most in the world. If we are just talking about just straight income tax, then yes we pay less, but with all the other taxes we are forced to pay it is pretty much a moot point.

Oh that car. Ok, I have seen that one before, just don't know it by name. Ha! Nice!
  • #272
  • Oct 7, 2016 10:10am Oct 7, 2016 10:10am
Quoting verv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twt1M3wPCqc this is the bike I would want in an ideal world - closest thing to 2015 motogp spec bike as for a car, not 100% sure what I would want - got a hankering for a honda s2000, love the sound

Honda's is pretty awesome. Their resale value is also pretty good, due to the fact their engines are practically indestructible and can run forever. The Honda Goldwing is legendary!
  • #273
  • Oct 7, 2016 10:12am Oct 7, 2016 10:12am
Quoting jen101
{quote} The 2CV is still very much in use. {image}

That is consider a classic isn't it?
  • #274
  • Oct 7, 2016 10:19am Oct 7, 2016 10:19am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} About the fuel part, no we shouldn't pay more, we produce a lot of own Oil. We currently import about 70% with 40% coming from Canada. Also considering that we have such much untapped Oil at the moment, (with also a recent discovery in Alaska that would potentiall produce 100 million barrels a month we really don't need to import. One of Trump's plans is to become energy independent, which would be good for our economy. Now factor that aspect alone into the Globalist meme and you can understand why they want to stop Trump? Also on the taxes,...
Oil will be obsolete as soon as they sort out battery life. The electric motor is far superior than any petrol or diesel. That's just round the corner.

Then what will the government do about all that fuel duty they will lose? Hmm.
  • #275
  • Oct 7, 2016 10:21am Oct 7, 2016 10:21am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Admittedly my experience of American cars have all been hire cars whilst over there plus also what others have said. I guess reputation sticks for a while. The Ford Mondeo is actually a fantastic car and for the money could almost rival the BMW 5 series, so I give you that . The handling on the Mondeo is superb and very responsive. My first car was a Golf, haha. But I wouldn't buy VW now. They seem quite unrefined and then there's that emissions thing. I love the look of Audis but they are just so noisy! What is the price of fuel...

Sorry can't agree on anything you said about Hillary or Obama. Nope! They are just plain wrong! One is a narcissist and the other is just down right evil. Oh and they both have in common as being socio paths, NEO-Cons, liars, and murderers and can't balance a budget if their life depended on it. Trump is unfairly characterized as a Misogynist that is purely made up from main stream media, and his portrayed character on the highly successful show "The Apprentice". Trump is tough, but he is fair. Did you see his family? His three kids are pretty amazing and successful in their own right. Evanka, turned down a 7 figure modeling career to focus on business. She is extremely impressive for a Millennial Eric and his brother are equally impressive and well mannered and spoken.
  • #276
  • Oct 7, 2016 10:23am Oct 7, 2016 10:23am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Oil will be obsolete as soon as they sort out battery life. The electric motor is far superior than any petrol or diesel. That's just round the corner.

You will still need Oil no matter what, but the demand for it will diminish with the advent of new technologies. But for the interim it will be enough to pay down our debt in the next 4 to 8 years and create jobs.
  • #277
  • Oct 7, 2016 11:05am Oct 7, 2016 11:05am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} Sorry can't agree on anything you said about Hillary or Obama. Nope! They are just plain wrong! One is a narcissist and the other is just down right evil. Oh and they both have in common as being socio paths, NEO-Cons, liars, and murderers and can't balance a budget if their life depended on it. Trump is unfairly characterized as a Misogynist that is purely made up from main stream media, and his portrayed character on the highly successful show "The Apprentice". Trump is tough, but he is fair. Did you see his family? His three kids are...
It was the way Trump portrayed himself which really turned me off him as a person, mocking Hillary. I just wondered how many more would have thought the same as I did, but the difference being, they have a less strong political viewpoint than I have.

Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} Also on the taxes, if you add the amount of taxes we pay, Corporate, Federal, State, Capital gains, Estate, and sales tax, plus the double tax American's living abroad have to pay, we pay the most in the world. If we are just talking about just straight income tax, then yes we pay less, but with all the other taxes we are forced to pay it is pretty much a moot point.
I question that. We need a bean counter to clarify. But anyhow, at least we have ways we can hide offshore, which you can't....
  • #278
  • Oct 7, 2016 11:21am Oct 7, 2016 11:21am
Quoting jen101
{quote} It was the way Trump portrayed himself which really turned me off him as a person, mocking Hillary. ...
Surely can't have been worse than some of the full-frontal verbal assaults from Nigel Farage in the European parliament....

Politics is a dirty game.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #279
  • Oct 7, 2016 11:31am Oct 7, 2016 11:31am
Quoting jen101
{quote} It was the way Trump portrayed himself which really turned me off him as a person, mocking Hillary. I just wondered how many more would have thought the same as I did, but the difference being, they have a less strong political viewpoint than I have. {quote} I question that. We need a bean counter to clarify. But anyhow, at least we have ways we can hide offshore, which you can't....
What are you talking about? I can hide offshore! You have heard of BVI's right?
  • #280
  • Oct 7, 2016 11:32am Oct 7, 2016 11:32am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Surely can't have been worse than some of the full-frontal verbal assaults from Nigel Farage in the European parliament.... Politics is a dirty game.

It is indeed!
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