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  • #781
  • Jul 21, 2016 3:52am Jul 21, 2016 3:52am
Quoting JPworks
Mzvega, From where are we suppose to get the "dir" and "act" that bring "net" which is dir-act where we get the negative and positive flow? Reading alone couldn't avail, getting clue form the spread sheet of the terms will help me understand the reading. Thanks
Hey JP,

do you asking for the correct calculation of the net flow?
this is not my invention, from Jones free website articles (Copyright CISCO Futures), please have a look:

https://web.archive.org/web/20100716..._example2.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20100716..._example1.html

I think, DIR means direction and ACT means activity.

greetings
C
  • #782
  • Jul 21, 2016 7:25am Jul 21, 2016 7:25am
Quoting dljonesFan
{quote} Hey JP, do you asking for the correct calculation of the net flow? this is not my invention, from Jones free website articles (Copyright CISCO Futures), please have a look: https://web.archive.org/web/20100716..._example2.html https://web.archive.org/web/20100716..._example1.html I think, DIR means direction and ACT means activity. greetings C
Chris,
I understood it is direction and activity as terminology. But to be honest, the calculations or from where the figures are manipulated, I did not get it from readings as related to the csv from which every things comes I guess. Thanks. JP
  • #783
  • Jul 21, 2016 10:12am Jul 21, 2016 10:12am
Quoting JPworks
{quote} Chris, I understood it is direction and activity as terminology. But to be honest, the calculations or from where the figures are manipulated, I did not get it from readings as related to the csv from which every things comes I guess. Thanks. JP
Did none of these links I suggested you read first explain it?
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...21#post9021021
Markets are not efficient, rather they are effective - Jones
  • #784
  • Jul 22, 2016 2:16am Jul 22, 2016 2:16am
Hey JP,

the articles clearly explain what you should do to calculate the net flow data. What is the problem? Is it

1. the excel programming

2. the article by itself

greetings
C
  • #785
  • Jul 22, 2016 9:34am Jul 22, 2016 9:34am
Mzvega and Chris,
Is my assumption wrong? I am assuming this data base image bellow is created with having relational relationship with the spreadsheet (csv) we download from mt4 file updating itself using macro. So I was trying to relate which is which without knowing as to what and why but seeing it first technically from database stand point.

I see a glimpse from the links you sent me about dir+act=net
---------------------------------------------------------
""Flow Analysis Studies

In the examples of flow analysis:
DayTradingEngine_Flow_Example1
DayTradingEngine_Flow_Example2

We first selected a set of Visual Graphics reference points for directional (price higher (+) or lower (-)) measurement. We selected another set for activity (more active (+) or less active (-). The activity set is an 'assist' for the directional. That is, if price is flowing up (or down) and activity is increasing, the flow is strengthened. The sum of the two sets of measures is the 'NET'. A positive NET indicates an upward flow and predicts higher prices. Conversely, a negative NET flow predicts lower prices.""
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In this scenario if dir(7)-act(-3)=(net)4, where in the relational database did you get 7 and -3? Please don't answer my questions with questions other wise I will spend in the non essentials to figure out reading the bulk materials I downloaded and come up with another question. Tell me how you get dir(7) in this scenario as related to csv. I am assuming the 3,5,10,20 days csv we download each time are the master databases, am I right? I will get the whys and whats by and by, let me get which is which technically.

If I am giving hard time I am sorry, I just can't simply keep quite seeing such magnitue of truth which I will learn in due process. Thank you
  • #786
  • Jul 22, 2016 9:47am Jul 22, 2016 9:47am
Sorry I forgot to attached the image I was taking about, here it is
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1468911259
  • #787
  • Jul 22, 2016 9:49am Jul 22, 2016 9:49am
Can anyone please tell me place to learn price action trading.im new to the forex....
  • #788
  • Edited 1:59pm Jul 22, 2016 12:12pm | Edited 1:59pm
Quoting JPworks
Mzvega and Chris, Is my assumption wrong? I am assuming this data base image bellow is created with having relational relationship with the spreadsheet (csv) we download from mt4 file updating itself using macro. So I was trying to relate which is which without knowing as to what and why but seeing it first technically from database stand point. I see a glimpse from the links you sent me about dir+act=net --------------------------------------------------------- ""Flow Analysis Studies In the examples of flow analysis: DayTradingEngine_Flow_Example1...
Do me a favor.......just read the links I asked you to read, not the links/broken link you posted
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...28#post9042528


http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...93#post9030693
Markets are not efficient, rather they are effective - Jones
  • #789
  • Jul 22, 2016 5:18pm Jul 22, 2016 5:18pm
Quoting mzvega
{quote} Do me a favor.......just read the links I asked you to read, not the links/broken link you posted http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...28#post9042528 http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...93#post9030693
I think you mean the second link about all the links which are mentioned about database here and there.

Here is what I am thinking. Consider me as one who produce a database being instructed to develop without knowing why and what but manipulates data for a client. I am not a programmer. But I have some knowledge developing relational database using Ms access or Libre database including excel. I am now looking into the 3,5,10, 20 days csv as master base and want know which one goes with what to develop a relational data base and calculations. That way I can minimize the learning curve of auction market profile. So please help in this journey. Thank you
  • #790
  • Jul 22, 2016 6:51pm Jul 22, 2016 6:51pm
Quoting JPworks
{quote} I think you mean the second link about all the links which are mentioned about database here and there. Here is what I am thinking. Consider me as one who produce a database being instructed to develop without knowing why and what but manipulates data for a client. I am not a programmer. But I have some knowledge developing relational database using Ms access or Libre database including excel. I am now looking into the 3,5,10, 20 days csv as master base and want know which one goes with what to develop a relational data base and calculations....
Here's what I'm thinking..............let's be "realistic"

It's like you're asking me to teach you to read book. Yet you have no interest in learning the alphabet first (the what & why's)

You want me to teach you how to use "words" to form sentences first. You think it's more important that you understand how to construct a sentence first, because you don't want to spend time learning "non essentials" such as the alphabet, punctuation, grammar.

How can I show you how to string words together to form a sentence when you don't want to learn what a word is first? (the what & why's)

How do I explain to you in detail how to use "words" to string together a sentence, when you don't first know what a word is or how a word is even constructed? (the what & why's)

How do I teach you word construction, when you don't understand how to first "form the words" used to string the sentences together?(the what & why's)

How do I teach you how to construct a word, using letters when you don't want to spend time learning the alphabet first,"non essentials" as you put it?

I cant teach or explain to you how to create words using letters without you learning and understanding the alphabet first.

I cant explain to you how to string together words into sentences when you don't know what a word is first.

I cant teach you how to string together a sentence, when you don't know what punctuation is first.

This isn't reverse engineering.

You want me to spend my time explaining to you all the technical details on how to read a book because you think it will help you better learn your ABC's at a later time and date.
It's like you asking me to explain & teach you how to read "War & Peace" , when you refuse to learn the alphabet first.

Here's another analogy,
It's like you asking me to explain and help you understand the details of performing Algebra, you want to understand all the specific details first, because you don't want to spend your time learning the "non essentials" as you put it, like actually learning how to count first.

If you cant count, I cant teach you to add or sub,
If you cant add or sub I cant teach you to multiply or divide.
If you cant add, sub, multiply or divide, how can I possibly teach you algebra?

If you spent a whole year teaching a room full of 4 year old's the technical details of performing Algebra, what will they have actually learned in a years time? Learning all the technical details of Algebra is not going to help them be better counters or teach them how to learn how to count at a future point in time.

No one is going to hire someone to manipulated data who has no clue what data needs to be manipulated, why and what for . It's the job of the database analyst to know exactly what data needs to be manipulated, how, why, and what for.
Markets are not efficient, rather they are effective - Jones
  • #791
  • Jul 22, 2016 7:41pm Jul 22, 2016 7:41pm
Finally read the whole thread !

This belongs in FF hall of fame . I don't even know how you had the patience to put out all this information. A must read even for people who do not subscribe to this form of trading.

The theory is quite simple and straight forward at first glance. It seems the hard part is actually organizing the data (Excel, Python, MySQL, LibreOffice, mql4... I have so many idea's) the learning curve for all this programming is intimidating to say the least.

I would like to jump right into the heart of everything: The reference points, their explanations & formula's (the thread pretty much explains the "how to" and validates interpretation). The information is here but scattered in different posts, books & articles it seems.

Mzvega if you still have the time and patience please do collate these reference points (links or direct posts to all 30 if possible or the 16 you are more familiar with) in one post. I am yet to read a page of any of the books you suggested and I believe the most important parts have already been stated here with the exception of all the reference points but I plan on reading them in the advised order eventually.
  • #792
  • Jul 23, 2016 12:01am Jul 23, 2016 12:01am
Quoting sinqua
Finally read the whole thread ! This belongs in FF hall of fame . I don't even know how you had the patience to put out all this information. A must read even for people who do not subscribe to this form of trading. The theory is quite simple and straight forward at first glance. It seems the hard part is actually organizing the data (Excel, Python, MySQL, LibreOffice, mql4... I have so many idea's) the learning curve for all this programming is intimidating to say the least. I would like to jump right into the heart...
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...45#post8944045
Markets are not efficient, rather they are effective - Jones
  • #793
  • Jul 23, 2016 5:15am Jul 23, 2016 5:15am
Quoting mzvega
{quote} http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...45#post8944045
I have no idea how I missed that.
  • #794
  • Jul 23, 2016 6:29am Jul 23, 2016 6:29am
Quoting mzvega
{quote} Here's what I'm thinking..............let's be "realistic" It's like you're asking me to teach you to read book. Yet you have no interest in learning the alphabet first (the what & why's) You want me to teach you how to use "words" to form sentences first. You think it's more important that you understand how to construct a sentence first, because you don't want to spend time learning "non essentials" such as the alphabet, punctuation, grammar. How can I show you how to string words together to form a sentence when you don't want to learn...
Mzvega,
"This isn't reverse engineering." ...What do you mean by that? Am I missing you here? I think you already tell everything in this forum, you hide nothing as far as I know. I am asking for some clarifications to what you already plainly and frankly put in place. You mentioned before that we have to construct our own excel workbook to manipulate data. I think your excel workbook you constructed aided by python is not publically available but instead you want us to have our own. Am I right? So did I do wrong if I do the necessary preparations to have my own? Isn't that what you expects us to do? If I miss something I didn't know if there is any protocol my friend. Or, is there anything you want us not to by-pass?

As far as which has to come first, the image or the puzzle, I could have given many examples but would be argumentative. The browser I am writing right now does not know the sentences I am writing and I don't know html either, but the browser only knows the language in html format. But I am writing sentences without knowing html. And the browser understands me. But in the mean time while I am utilizing what is available I can teach my self also to learn html.

It is only the full who doesn't give credit or spend time to read what you have put together. But one can read util his eyes bleed and does get it unless a guide and hand's on experience are incurred. I also know your passion to teach and you are well versed in what you are saying. You have formed a separate forum when people try confuse and mix things. You want to simplify things and make it clear. I am sure you spend a lot of time to reach at this, and you travel the less traveled. How do we travel in short the long traveled journey remains in each one of us. Thank you for your time and concern. I would like to thank you on behalf of those who esquire like me. JP
  • #795
  • Jul 23, 2016 8:14am Jul 23, 2016 8:14am
Mzvega and Chris,
I am so sorry if may make you tired. I got my simple answer for my simple question which was posted by Chris while strugling to reach to the present level.
Thank you
JP
http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...6&d=1445944823
  • #796
  • Jul 23, 2016 8:42am Jul 23, 2016 8:42am
Quote from Mzvega
"
Quoting dljonesFan
2.Can you show me how to deal with daily flow data? Is this the Market Flow analysis discribed by Jones? http://www.cisco-futures.com/daytrad..._example1.htmlhave a nice sunday Chris
It absolutely is........
You have to first get the data.......click the export feature on your indicator
Then open the Data Folder in mt4.............
Then open the Files folder.......
the data for the exported data should be in there
The data is done in horizontally and vertically. It also contains .dat files.
Once you have the data you need, apply it as described by Jones
"
Where is description of Jones, which book or article please? JP
  • #797
  • Edited Jul 24, 2016 12:08pm Jul 23, 2016 9:36pm | Edited Jul 24, 2016 12:08pm
Quoting JPworks
I got my simple answer for my simple question which was posted by Chris while strugling to reach to the present level. Thank you JP {image}
It's unfortunate, you could have got the simple answer to your simple question 9 days earlier when I asked you to read the same post 9 days ago.
EDIT: I had highlighted the wrong link.....corrected now
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Yesterday, I had to almost go as far as to beg you to read the same post
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And here we are full-circle, rather than to simply read my post 9 days ago, you chose to spend the last 9 days concentrating on the "whole" because you think that will help you minimize your learning curve.

You have actually increased the length of your learning curve by 9 days, because here you are 9 days later, exactly where you should've been 9 days ago, had you took my advice & the time to read my post when I posted it.

You cant begin to understand the "whole", without first understanding the sum of it's parts..
Markets are not efficient, rather they are effective - Jones
  • #798
  • Jul 24, 2016 6:12am Jul 24, 2016 6:12am
Mzvega,
I apologize. You are right I am trying to get the whole to understand the parts. I hope you accommodate all sorts of people. Thank you so very much dear. JP
  • #799
  • Jul 24, 2016 3:26pm Jul 24, 2016 3:26pm
Quoting JPworks
Quoting mzvega
It absolutely is........ You have to first get the data.......click the export feature on your indicator Then open the Data Folder in mt4............. Then open the Files folder....... the data for the exported data should be in there The data is done in horizontally and vertically. It also contains .dat files. Once you have the data you need, apply it as described by Jones
...Where is description of Jones, which book or article please? JP
Again here we are full circle, again............

This is the info you were hoping to find by asking for a simple answer to a simple question...

Unfortunately, here you are 16 days later asking for exactly the same info I asked you to read first, 16 days ago.
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  • #800
  • Jul 24, 2016 4:10pm Jul 24, 2016 4:10pm
Quoting JPworks
{quote} you are well versed in what you are saying.............You want to simplify things and make it clear. I am sure you spend a lot of time to reach at this, and you travel the less traveled. How do we travel in short the long traveled journey remains in each one of us. ............
So what your asking me is, How do you take a "short cut", like crawling under the fence to cut across the field, rather than take the long traveled road around the field?

I'm not sure if you meant "I took a lot of time to research this" or if you meant "it took me a lot of time to reach a level of understanding". In either case, you don't get it, there are no shortcuts

I left the MP thread for a reason..Retail traders will always choose the path of least resistance even when that path leads to no where, or leads them in circles. People will spend more time and energy looking for a shortcut (days, weeks months, etc ), than it actually takes to read the material itself.

The only reason I joined the MP thread was because the very first resource for info posted to the thread was Cisco http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...99#post4336099 (post # 6).

5 years and 5,895 posts later has anyone in that thread ever consider they ought to read the first resource the OP posted to the thread ? No, that would be way too hard. (path of least resistance) They're still looking for shortcuts..........

I am well versed because I have to be......there are no shortcuts.......... it's not very complex at all, you chose to either, read the info or not. You either do or you don't.
Markets are not efficient, rather they are effective - Jones
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