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  • Jul 22, 2016 6:02am Jul 22, 2016 6:02am
  •  Matraguna
  • | Joined Jul 2014 | Status: Blaah | 264 Posts
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{quote} NA comes from tickstory. But it's actually 99.90%, I experience the same output glitch with my tickstory Pro. Please read carefully as he already said he was backtesting using 99% tickdata If you knew a little about BT, the amount of ticks modeled on his BT should have rung a bell
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check the 5 trades that are closed around 1.13930 . If spread was at that time 3 pips and my backtest calculates a normal spread of 1.2 than it's inaccurate as hell as that trade would not have been closed and there are many other occasions when spread or slippage are ruining a test. I am not saying that the EA does not do well or it's logic is flawed but backtesting is not forward test.
The EA does what you told him to do and does not know the deffinition of maybe.. Maybe later on those trades would have closed but maybe not so having a percentage of DD ex 29% and the actuall being maybe 59% or maybe 101% should raise questions.
If i set the spread to 2 pip it may be 4-5 at some time.
If i set to 5 although the normal spread offered by broker is 1.5 , i still may have 6-10 pip if market moves fast and what would have closed on demo would be still open on real.

How about this one?
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Or this one.
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Or this one ? Notice that i am using every tick and tickstory with current spread as default.
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We can sit here and argue about the backtest being unreliable or continue on developing/ testing on something that has actual relevance to trading.

This is a cent account that i use for testing and my results so far for 4.3
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  • Jul 22, 2016 6:04am Jul 22, 2016 6:04am
  •  Imperial1
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Quoting Edorenta
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New Autop stable release : v5.3 New features: - Disable Short Cycles (disabling short cycles will still allow the EA to open short hedges on long cycles) - Disable Long Cycles (disabling Long cycles will still allow the EA to open long hedges on short cycles) Trading Idea: Opportunity mode By running 2 instances of the EA on 2 charts of the same pair, one with Long Cycles disabled, the other with Short Cycles disabled, and using the one-sided trend filter on both, we will make sure that the EA makes money of big moves whatever the direction even...
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Hi, thanks for the new version.
Is the EA good to go as it is (default setting) or do you suggest any other back tested settings? Should we change the Magic Nr for two chart operation? or the EA can take care of that?
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  • Jul 22, 2016 6:28am Jul 22, 2016 6:28am
  •  Barlam
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Quoting Edorenta
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New Autop stable release : v5.3 New features: - Disable Short Cycles (disabling short cycles will still allow the EA to open short hedges on long cycles) - Disable Long Cycles (disabling Long cycles will still allow the EA to open long hedges on short cycles) Trading Idea: Opportunity mode By running 2 instances of the EA on 2 charts of the same pair, one with Long Cycles disabled, the other with Short Cycles disabled, and using the one-sided trend filter on both, we will make sure that the EA makes money of big moves whatever the direction even...
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Exactly what we were talking about in an practical approach!
... also this keeps giving us hard times testing all the options!
Great work! I'm quite sure we will make this cow fly!

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Barlam
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  • Jul 22, 2016 6:35am Jul 22, 2016 6:35am
  •  Edorenta
  • Joined May 2014 | Status: Work in progress | 245 Posts
Quoting Matraguna
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{quote} {image} If spread was at that time 3 pips and my backtest calculates a normal spread of 1.2 than it's inaccurate as hell as that trade would not have been closed and there are many other occasions when spread or slippage are ruining a test. I am not saying that the EA does not do well or it's logic is flawed but backtesting is not forward test. The EA does what you told him to do and does not know the deffinition of maybe..
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I appreciate your opinion. I agree with you 100% but unfortunately I haven't got enough time to run raw spread BTs (as Capella would do on worlwide-invest).
I encourage as many people as possible to run tests with custom sets and share their results. BT can get us on the road to good sets but ofc the market still won't behave the same tomorrow as it did yesterday.

I can see your demo acc has grown already, but what scares me is the negative pips (neg edge), could you share your full report and sets please?
Thank you for contributing.

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{quote} Hi, thanks for the new version. Is the EA good to go as it is (default setting) or do you suggest any other back tested settings? Should we change the Magic Nr for two chart operation? or the EA can take care of that?
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Hi Imperial, as I said in my previous post you have to change the magic numbers for the Long and the Short setups. Otherwise the EA will aggregate floating datas and mess up with your account, and you don't want this to happen believe me

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{quote} Yes, of course. I should to remind you ..... I`m trading with v4.2 .... {image}
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Dude what happened with your TE? Your account was flying still a few hours ago, keep sharing your stats please
You'll always miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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  •  kornrogers
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Quoting Edorenta
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New Autop stable release : v5.3 New features: - Disable Short Cycles (disabling short cycles will still allow the EA to open short hedges on long cycles) - Disable Long Cycles (disabling Long cycles will still allow the EA to open long hedges on short cycles) Trading Idea: Opportunity mode By running 2 instances of the EA on 2 charts of the same pair, one with Long Cycles disabled, the other with Short Cycles disabled, and using the one-sided trend filter on both, we will make sure that the EA makes money of big moves whatever the direction even...
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Finally EDO , that's what one of the approaches I was talking about, going to test this to exhaustion, but already have a live account running with conservative rules... good luck to all...
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  • Jul 22, 2016 7:14am Jul 22, 2016 7:14am
  •  troya7634
  • | Joined Apr 2016 | Status: Member | 84 Posts
Quoting Sunnybeach
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​For OrderModify error 130. I found the problem. The TP is too close from current price. Please modify the setting to 10-20 points. {image} It is very slow for backtest, one of reason is historic data. My historic data start is from 2013.01.01. I start to do backtest from date 2013.1.10, it is quick in the beginning and getting slow and slow. Edo, would you please check this?
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and .... OrderSend error 131 ?
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  • Jul 22, 2016 7:40am Jul 22, 2016 7:40am
  •  bobby2
  • Joined Oct 2010 | Status: Member | 1,526 Posts
http://www.forexfactory.com/bobby2#acct.81-tab.report

v5.2 live as of this writing (running about 36 hours now) , same settings as in post 212
Haven't tried v5.3 yet. Maybe from Next week's open. I'll give this one another day first.
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  • Jul 22, 2016 8:19am Jul 22, 2016 8:19am
  •  Barlam
  • | Joined Jul 2016 | Status: Member | 96 Posts
Quoting bobby2
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http://www.forexfactory.com/bobby2#acct.81-tab.report v5.2 live as of this writing (running about 36 hours now) , same settings as in post 212 Haven't tried v5.3 yet. Maybe from Next week's open. I'll give this one another day first.
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Hi boby2,

would You plz tell us the pairs here You are trading in that live account? Do You use the exact same settings on every pair?
Thx for Your support!

Cheers
Barlam
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  • Jul 22, 2016 8:23am Jul 22, 2016 8:23am
  •  MasterGuru
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Quoting Matraguna
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{quote} Modeling quality NA. Anything below 99% is unacceptable in backtest and even 99% can't guarantee it's performance because there is 0 slippage in backtest and no requotes ever. The backtest was invented as a method for code writers to check if their code is performing how it should, open trades based on the conditions and whatever else they input in that code. Later on people started to do backtest on systems to find out that the results from backtest does not match with forward test and not even demo trading is not reliable because of the...
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@Matraguna

Anyone who has been around on FF for a while knows that - even "tick level" 99.9% - MT4 backtesting has limited use for many reasons (which reasons have been mentioned before), not to mention the fact that open and close prices of each trade are simply simulated by MT4 even in M1 tick level backtesting. But thanks for reminding...

On the other hand, having no better options to filter out obviously bad parameter settings, it is still more practical than running 4 years of live forward tests on 5000+ separate $10 funded cent-accounts with all 5000+ possible paramater combinations as suggested. In other words: backtests are reasonably OK to discard useless settings, as parameter combinations which fail in backtests will likely fail in live forward tests, too.

In conclusion: Once we manage to get rid of the obviously useless settings we might have left with 10-20 "promising" parameter combinations. And THEN - and only THEN - it is practical to run live account forward tests. At least that is my approach.

But please feel free to run all parameter combinations on thousands of 10 USD funded cent-accounts for 4 years and we will be curiously waiting for your results in 2020...
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  • Jul 22, 2016 8:34am Jul 22, 2016 8:34am
  •  Edorenta
  • Joined May 2014 | Status: Work in progress | 245 Posts
Quoting bobby2
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http://www.forexfactory.com/bobby2#acct.81-tab.report v5.2 live as of this writing (running about 36 hours now) , same settings as in post 212 Haven't tried v5.3 yet. Maybe from Next week's open. I'll give this one another day first.
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I see your live is stuck in the USDCAD cycle, hope it will retrace soon. I ran several BT and as a matter of fact I would avoid this pair

Quoting MasterGuru
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{quote} But please feel free to run all parameter combinations on thousands of 10 USD funded cent-accounts for 4 years and we will be curiously waiting for your results in 2020...
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Well said
You'll always miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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  • Jul 22, 2016 8:38am Jul 22, 2016 8:38am
  •  Barlam
  • | Joined Jul 2016 | Status: Member | 96 Posts
Quoting Edorenta
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{quote} I see your live is stuck in the USDCAD cycle, hope it will retrace soon. I ran several BT and as a matter of fact I would avoid this pair
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Hi Edo,

could You give us a hint - perhaps everybody here is asked - on what pairs (and may be TF) we should extend our testing while I stick to EURUSD until today as I think that, if it works here, it will work in other pairs too (at least in a similar way).

Cheers
Barlam
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  • Jul 22, 2016 8:47am Jul 22, 2016 8:47am
  •  bobby2
  • Joined Oct 2010 | Status: Member | 1,526 Posts
Quoting Barlam
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{quote} Hi boby2, would You plz tell us the pairs here You are trading in that live account? Do You use the exact same settings on every pair? Thx for Your support! Cheers Barlam
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usdcad, eurchf, audjpy, audusd, M1, exact same settings on all. Hope that helps.
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  • Jul 22, 2016 8:58am Jul 22, 2016 8:58am
  •  Barlam
  • | Joined Jul 2016 | Status: Member | 96 Posts
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{quote} usdcad, eurchf, audjpy, audusd, M1, exact same settings on all. Hope that helps.
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Thx,

of cause it helps as I think we progress together and can support Edo this way. Only if we share those information someone else could offer his/her comments...

Cheers
Barlam
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  • Jul 22, 2016 9:01am Jul 22, 2016 9:01am
  •  bobby2
  • Joined Oct 2010 | Status: Member | 1,526 Posts
[quote=Edorenta;9044007]{quote} I see your live is stuck in the USDCAD cycle, hope it will retrace soon.

The move down was mostly news positioning and then the actual news, There are currently 6 longs open on usdcad. 1 is slightly in the money. The other 5 are 35-60 pips south of the border. Luckily the other 3 pairs are doing OK so no danger yet. One of the "endearing" qualities of UC and AU are they are usually concerted opposites. AU and AJ are moving lower at the moment. When the news wears off UCad will probably get back normal. Maybe
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  • Jul 22, 2016 9:10am Jul 22, 2016 9:10am
  •  bobby2
  • Joined Oct 2010 | Status: Member | 1,526 Posts
Quoting Barlam
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{quote} Thx, of cause it helps as I think we progress together and can support Edo this way. Only if we share those information someone else could offer his/her comments... Cheers Barlam
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  • Jul 22, 2016 9:15am Jul 22, 2016 9:15am
  •  Edorenta
  • Joined May 2014 | Status: Work in progress | 245 Posts
Alright peeps, let's attach to the thread some TE.
Is anyone interested? Preferably last version, with backtested sets.
I can't access my VPS atm as I'm overseas and do not have my credentials, so I won't be attaching any forward TE ran by myself yet.
You'll always miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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  • Jul 22, 2016 9:37am Jul 22, 2016 9:37am
  •  Imperial1
  • | Joined Jan 2015 | Status: Member | 64 Posts
Quoting bobby2
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{quote} usdcad, eurchf, audjpy, audusd, M1, exact same settings on all. Hope that helps.
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Hi bobby2,
would you be so kind and give us your settings in a form of a set file.
Thanks
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  • Jul 22, 2016 9:54am Jul 22, 2016 9:54am
  •  bobby2
  • Joined Oct 2010 | Status: Member | 1,526 Posts
My current Chart Portfolios
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Note: 6 min. after posting these charts, USDCAD hit TP.
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  • Jul 22, 2016 10:00am Jul 22, 2016 10:00am
  •  kornrogers
  • | Joined Feb 2016 | Status: Member | 179 Posts
Quoting Edorenta
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New Autop stable release : v5.3 New features: - Disable Short Cycles (disabling short cycles will still allow the EA to open short hedges on long cycles) - Disable Long Cycles (disabling Long cycles will still allow the EA to open long hedges on short cycles) Trading Idea: Opportunity mode By running 2 instances of the EA on 2 charts of the same pair, one with Long Cycles disabled, the other with Short Cycles disabled, and using the one-sided trend filter on both, we will make sure that the EA makes money of big moves whatever the direction even...
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Ey EDO, do you have some set files for this suggestion? I have defined the 5.3 with the indications you mentioned but I have no opened trades till now in either chart.

Thanks
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  • Jul 22, 2016 10:13am Jul 22, 2016 10:13am
  •  Edorenta
  • Joined May 2014 | Status: Work in progress | 245 Posts
Quoting bobby2
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My current Chart Portfolios {image}{image}{image}{image}{image} Note: 6 min. after posting these charts, USDCAD hit TP.
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Hi Bobby,

The Max DD your account came across is really high considering your balance, maybe you should consider safer setfiles?
Be careful, I'd be embarrassed you burn those $270 before doubling it
You'll always miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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