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  • #2,401
  • Apr 11, 2016 6:31am Apr 11, 2016 6:31am
Quoting remon78eg
{image} Why I Made This Simulator ! To Compare The EA And The Simulator Results/Profits In A Same Price Movements (By Convert The Price To 0&1 And Run At The Simulator) I Have To Make Both Results Exact The Same.
Mr Remon,

I don't want to task you with too much to think about as I am sure that you are swamped in your head with your own ideas on how to mak your strategy work. However, I have recently discovered something that might be useful to you in the world of gridding.

When you are taking profit, you can consider to take profit at mid-level of the grid. This way should the PA reach an absolute bottom or absolute top, your midway point can act as a buffer to not open another position unless it goes the other 50% of your grid step which in that case PA will not have reached the HH or the LL.

This does result in lower profits but it does fight the extremities of the entire grid of open positions and brings opportunity in given conditions to close all open trades at profit. Also, in the BUY/SELL open position at price level, It can make use of fractal volatility and take both mid level TPs out.

I thought I would share this with you as you have been so helpful with me and it would be wrong if I don't share what I am doing on my side with gridding since you have opened this fantastic thread.

Many Thanks & Best Regards,

Daniel
  • #2,402
  • Apr 11, 2016 6:57am Apr 11, 2016 6:57am
Quoting keydcuk
{quote} Mr Remon, I don't want to task you with too much to think about as I am sure that you are swamped in your head with your own ideas on how to mak your strategy work. However, I have recently discovered something that might be useful to you in the world of gridding. When you are taking profit, you can consider to take profit at mid-level of the grid. This way should the PA reach an absolute bottom or absolute top, your midway point can act as a buffer to not open another position unless it goes the other 50% of your grid step which in that...
your proposal sounds something like the attached pic? sorry the left side not fully show but price is way bellow the median of the move.

while there is merit in closing a grid at a median price, sometimes I think the trend takes a very long time to reach that point, -especially with larger grid steps -, if ever, not always there is a 50% pullback from low. ( needed if you use same size grid lots).
progressive lot sizing helps, but even then, it works out to advantage to use small pullbacks as opportunity to scale out from positions, book some profit, and have a chance to put back on same trade for a (supposed) median pullback if arise.
carrying the bulk position to a median pullback would be indeed very profitable when the lots are progressive, but the risk would be tremendous if that not happening.
after all, ending up in a larger position is a result of a larger intraday move ( call it an intraday trend if you wish) that just like any trend might be followed with some ranging, a chance to the grid to slowly grid its way to profit opening and closing some steps again and again ( even if pullback never reach the median of the move prior).
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there is always, always another trade!!
  • #2,403
  • Apr 11, 2016 7:10am Apr 11, 2016 7:10am
Quoting keydcuk
{quote} There are various ones in test but I attach the one that I am using. Some are using others. I invite you to click on the link that shows all the attachments of this thread and try different ones to try. Personally I am most interested in this one for the time being. I hope to check some others at a later point in time. {file}
Thanks! I'll look into the code and try to optimize the remon idea. Is there anyone who already forward trade it? Link to thread explorer..
Risk comes from not knowing what you're doing.
  • #2,404
  • Apr 11, 2016 7:18am Apr 11, 2016 7:18am
Quoting dragonexpert
{quote} Thanks! I'll look into the code and try to optimize the remon idea. Is there anyone who already forward trade it? Link to thread explorer..
all my posts forward tests, I don't run backtests.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #2,405
  • Apr 11, 2016 7:20am Apr 11, 2016 7:20am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} your proposal sounds something like the attached pic? sorry the left side not fully show but price is way bellow the median of the move. while there is merit in closing a grid at a median price, sometimes I think the trend takes a very long time to reach that point, -especially with larger grid steps -, if ever, not always there is a 50% pullback from low. ( needed if you use same size grid lots). progressive lot sizing helps, but even then, it works out to advantage to use small pullbacks as opportunity to scale out from positions, book...
Thanks for your input. It is greatly appreciated.

It is difficult for me to see it from a 1min chart perspective as per your example. However, what you say is similar to some of my own thoughts as far as progressive lots. I have ran some experiments and realized that progressive lots is high risk however what I am concentrating on this this grid step in the BUY/SELL position where both of them are open at the same level.

Idea 1: As per previous post, TP on the median. To me this sets the standard to idea 2 and 3.

Idea 2: In the up trend let your buy TP be median and your sell be 2 medians down. This way you are still trying to capture the HH without opening a BUY/SELL unless it takes the other 50% of the gridstep. The sell position is held a little longer taking higher profit in a turnaround or working within the inner of the grid.

Idea 3: In the BUY/SELL uptrend position, let the buy be more weighted in lots than the sell. If it trends it could be 0.04 lots and taking 0.01 lots in the retracing sell. I know this could hold heavy positions should the market turn around but hopefully it would only be 1 heavy weighted position to deal with and you will have made enough profit leading up to this to compensate for a heavy loser.

Just some thoughts. I'm not sure how much of it could be applied for Remon's strategy. Here is how it produced for idea 1 which is my bar standard.

I'm not going to post the EA as it does not follow Remon's strategy rules, it is simply a BUY/SELL hedge gridder taking profits at median.

GBPJPY pair for the year of 2015 at tickmode test.
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  • #2,406
  • Apr 11, 2016 7:24am Apr 11, 2016 7:24am
Quoting dragonexpert
{quote} Thanks! I'll look into the code and try to optimize the remon idea. Is there anyone who already forward trade it? Link to thread explorer..
I am only forward testing part 1 of the strategy as I think that part 2 of method 1 is less profitable than just part 1 on it's own. Other than this, there is no method 2 EA out there yet except with Rinse n Repeat which is on Steve Hopwood Forex website. So far it is not the best of attempts (yet) as it cannot be following method 2 strategy. It is taking consecutive losses more than profits. This one we will wait if there is any development. The programmer / website owner is very temperamental.

Hope you are doing well with your dragonexpert EA!

Daniel
  • #2,407
  • Apr 11, 2016 7:41am Apr 11, 2016 7:41am
Quoting keydcuk
{quote} Thanks for your input. It is greatly appreciated. It is difficult for me to see it from a 1min chart perspective as per your example. {image}
sorry, just doesn't like to zoom that much out for better view.
the pictured pair is EurUsd, the day of the sample is today. day's low will make it easy to identify the rest, both the high, and the subsequent pullbacks trades.

your GJ test looks OK, but cant help to notice that the entire period shows a varying size of equity DD.
I know I might repeat myself, but there is a beauty in not running something 24/7....namely that every time I turn off the EA the account has no drawdown. every day it starts fresh, with balance = equity 100%.
but yes, needs certain monitoring of the EA at least time to time, else hard to achieve this. on the other hand, so far the forward test I run looks very impressive, and not at all something that cant manage to do on live account ( after some more test).
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #2,408
  • Apr 11, 2016 8:01am Apr 11, 2016 8:01am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} sorry, just doesn't like to zoom that much out for better view. the pictured pair is EurUsd, the day of the sample is today. day's low will make it easy to identify the rest, both the high, and the subsequent pullbacks trades. your GJ test looks OK, but cant help to notice that the entire period shows a varying size of equity DD. I know I might repeat myself, but there is a beauty in not running something 24/7....namely that every time I turn off the EA the account has no drawdown. every day it starts fresh, with balance = equity 100%. but...
What I don't get of what you are saying is why would you think of turning off the EA?

I do understand that if it was an EA that was dependant on trends and especially indicator based EAs, you would tell it not to trade after NY session closes for example. But in the case of a grid trading EA, what is the difference if the grid is kept on or off? You start at a new position and market will still do what market does. The only benefit I see with this is if you followed news events and you were in a smaller grid size scenario, you would be looking to close before a news event, but even then... So news spikes up PA by 200 pips in a given direction... its a few grid steps to the north or the south... because gridding is based on PA only, you get what you get whether it is good or bad.

The only scenario I can imagine being good for closing an EA that grids is if it does it linear. You could say, close at profit and open at daily open as then you are gridding against the daily candle's wick. If your grid size is bigger than the wick or that it only hedges 1 negative position, in a linear gridding situation, it might be profitable if you have a trade manager that says disable EA on profit and only open at daily open.

I don't know. I tried linear gridding before and have given up on the idea as the hedged situation caused huge DD in some cases and TP closes could take weeks and months.

What are you forward testing at the moment and how do you apply your strategy?

Thanks,

Daniel
  • #2,409
  • Apr 11, 2016 8:13am Apr 11, 2016 8:13am
Quoting keydcuk
{quote} Daniel
The AB 4 not opening any trade today. I have not expected why? But today and till tomorrow london should be perfect days.
Forex; the game of movements not the game of candles.
  • #2,410
  • Apr 11, 2016 8:28am Apr 11, 2016 8:28am
Keydcuk,

what do you think why your GJ BT shows a continuos DD?

would you think that it could be improved on?
would you believe that if there wouldnt be a constant dd on the balance you would be more confident to trade such EA on live account?

the rest i will answer PM, dont want to go offline much here, i dont think there is many who inteserted in this discussion
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #2,411
  • Apr 11, 2016 8:44am Apr 11, 2016 8:44am
Quoting Paqe
I have read all thread with my poor english. It took a long time but i did Thank you very much Mr. Remon, Voldemar227, abokwaik and other developers. These are my results. remon78eg 30-03-2016 , 1000 $ account demo, only EURUSD, fix lot 0.01 , Trade trend: On , Step Order: 10 (1 pip) , Profit close: 3 $ , Start: 04 April Monday 06:00 GMT , it worked full time until weekend , result says DD is %10 but i saw -370$ most {image} remon78eg 2 Part 1-fixlot , EURUSD, 1 chart buy and 1 chart sell , fixlot 0.01 , Step order:10 (1pip) , Profit close: 1...
very good results, I have launched a demonstration account with 200e with settings remon78eg 03.30.2016. you have tried to test with the same settings in other pairs? to see if you can improve, for example in EURCHF EURGBP or?
Thank you.
  • #2,412
  • Apr 11, 2016 9:46am Apr 11, 2016 9:46am
my testing on eu, now total profit in $1000 .

i kept the EA runing, and add some sound when it closed on profit. 1 day i can hear around 10 or more close on profit alert without have to sitting in front of monitor all the time. just look at it for a while.

let see today on EU NEWS how the grid behave..

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  • #2,413
  • Apr 11, 2016 10:25am Apr 11, 2016 10:25am
Hi guys, can somebody add to this EA couple more entries please, I'm very bad with coding, thank you for your help.

Close all trades in pair, if profit reached : example 12 USD
Close all trades in pair, if profit reached : true/false
Close all trades in pair if profit reached % : example 1.5 %
Close all trades in pair if profit reached % : true/false
After profit reached, stop EA : true/false

If pair is in loss ( in money), close all trades and stop EA : example 22.50 USD
If pair is in loss ( in money), close all trades and stop EA : true/false
If pair is in loss ( in % ), close all trades and stop EA : example 10 %
If pair is in loss ( in % ), close all trades and stop EA : true/false
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File Type: mq4 remon78eg-fixlot.mq4   6 KB | 397 downloads
  • #2,414
  • Edited 10:51am Apr 11, 2016 10:30am | Edited 10:51am
Quoting madscalp
{quote} Try this : {image}
Yeah Man, I knew that, but the regular versions not open Buys above and Sell below Entry, but I accidentally found the version

for HEDGE what do exactly what I have in mind.. That's Remon's Trend Anti-Trend Fixed lot.. I stick that on 3 pairs and

hit it with 1 LOT, so far didn't see more than -120$ That's almost impossible, Hedge working perfectly.. Previous Version which I test,

Demolish my Account during those crazy GU/EU EJ/GJ uptrend.. But the other Instance made money cause I got Equity S

EA in place which close EA automatically after hitting 100$ profit sometime in the midnight, that's why it survived with the profit..

So those EA's must be only used in RANGE , or use Flat lot.. I'll see how the Hedge go, the only Cons, it's very tiny profit

I mean with the 1 LOT it's an ATM machine sure, but Now I have to figure out what is the MAX DD, and what type of Deposit size

can handle this... Let's rock!

Also About FiFo compliance version? I don't think is worth the time.. I mean Poor Americans
cannot have more than 1:50 in some instance, MARGIN, How the F, you are supposed to
trade Grid EA with Margins like That, that's nonsense.. I better open offshore non regulated with 1:800 Margin
Then Screw with FXCM/OANDA type of BS.
  • #2,415
  • Apr 11, 2016 10:38am Apr 11, 2016 10:38am
at this point recommended increment or fixed ? thank you.
  • #2,416
  • Apr 11, 2016 10:38am Apr 11, 2016 10:38am
Quoting braveh4rt
my testing on eu, now total profit in $1000 . i kept the EA runing, and add some sound when it closed on profit. 1 day i can hear around 10 or more close on profit alert without have to sitting in front of monitor all the time. just look at it for a while. let see today on EU NEWS how the grid behave.. {image}
has the account burst?
  • #2,417
  • Apr 11, 2016 10:48am Apr 11, 2016 10:48am
Quoting enzoforex
at this point recommended increment or fixed ? thank you.
I dunno, even if Account big enough nobody want's to see 40%+ DD, that's unacceptable..

I would trash any EA doing more than 20% DD.. I mean if 30% DD occurs only ones in 5 years? That's Fine,

But when you see several occasions daily when your DD Hitting 30% that's no go... Try Using Fixed,

And simply increase the LOT size if you want more profit..
  • #2,418
  • Apr 11, 2016 10:57am Apr 11, 2016 10:57am
Quoting Clipi
{quote} very good results, I have launched a demonstration account with 200e with settings remon78eg 03.30.2016. you have tried to test with the same settings in other pairs? to see if you can improve, for example in EURCHF EURGBP or? Thank you.
No, i was not. I only tested with EURUSD. I'm in trouble with marjin in my country. Marjin is 1:50 for EU below 7000$ account, 1:100 above 7000$ acoount in here. And other pairs has 1:50 above 7000$ and 1:25 below 7000$. I have to research brokers in Europe but i don't know how it would be the deposit and withdrawal cause of i don't use credit card, just debit card. And i know scrills etc. but also i don't know how much of the commission. May be i will use a cent account for testing for a while.

remon78 eg 30-03-2016 is still working with same set up since 04 April 06:00 GMT I wonder that it does survive 200-300 pips price change.
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  • #2,419
  • Apr 11, 2016 11:04am Apr 11, 2016 11:04am
Quoting progress
Hi guys, can somebody add to this EA couple more entries please, I'm very bad with coding, thank you for your help. Close all trades in pair, if profit reached : example 12 USD Close all trades in pair, if profit reached : true/false Close all trades in pair if profit reached % : example 1.5 % Close all trades in pair if profit reached % : true/false After profit reached, stop EA : true/false If pair is in loss ( in money), close all trades and stop EA : example 22.50 USD If pair is in loss ( in money), close all trades and stop EA : true/false...
This EA will do the job for you.
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  • #2,420
  • Apr 11, 2016 11:26am Apr 11, 2016 11:26am
to MasterGuru,

Thank You so much for your help.
I have only one question about this nice EA.
If I have turn on Disable all EA's and in section with Magic number I will put magic number of EA already running in some pair, it will stop only this EA or all EA's in Metatrader ?

Thank you for your time.
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