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  • #141
  • Mar 20, 2016 8:40am Mar 20, 2016 8:40am
Quoting MasterGuru
It is interesting that at 8:14 of the video the stategy is still in -30 pips Equity Loss (not considering the significant spread losses on previously closed trades), but it comes out of it with a nice net profit at the very end... Real or Magic Trick...? If it were "for real", then what is the "edge"...? {image}

one more thing to highlight is as per my understanding, there is no real solid edge in this world to make money in forex... only thing that is available are probabilities and opportunities... you can try to use them as clever as possible and still it will not guarantee you 100% profits....
  • #142
  • Mar 20, 2016 8:51am Mar 20, 2016 8:51am
Quoting abokwaik
I am not being negative about this, and I always salute new ideas. However Facts need to be considered. Assuming same lot size for Buy and Sell as in the video. Fact 1: Close old Sell = new Buy. Fact 2: Close old Buy = new Sell. If we are using a no-commission account. So we only pay the spread at entry, we got new facts: Fact 1: Close old Sell is better than opening a new Buy, as we are saving the spread Fact 1: Close old Buy is better than opening a new Sell, as we are saving the spread Fact 3: Sequence of closing trades of same type has no difference...

happy to see you here abokwaik... you are another great person who share ideas with people....

with regards to your facts... my understanding is that, there is no relation with closing orders and opening orders.... the new trades are opened based on price movement.. and closing of orders is based on price retracement. there is another important factor added in this concept which is hedging. without hedging, we cannot protect our capital... and without opening orders, we cannot hedge....

sorry, if i have misunderstood your thought process... if you could explain it with an example, that would help...
  • #143
  • Mar 20, 2016 9:05am Mar 20, 2016 9:05am
Quoting tradeforlife
{quote} happy to see you here abokwaik... you are another great person who share ideas with people.... with regards to your facts... my understanding is that, there is no relation with closing orders and opening orders.... the new trades are opened based on price movement.. and closing of orders is based on price retracement. there is another important factor added in this concept which is hedging. without hedging, we cannot protect our capital... and without opening orders, we cannot hedge.... sorry, if i have misunderstood your...
Good observation @tradeforlife!

I agree that hedging - even though PARTIAL - makes this strategy significantly safer against sudden price spikes (in either direction).
  • #144
  • Mar 20, 2016 9:45am Mar 20, 2016 9:45am
Quoting abokwaik
{quote} Thank You, Example : Assume our Grid size is fixed at 10 pips, and lot size fixed at 0.1, and spread of 2 pips (as per video). I did part of the example, but I think its clear. {image}

Abokwaik, i think you have to be a bit more clear here...
each dot (grid) is a 10 pip gap. you have mentioned 'Sell' for a dot and '-1' for a dot from bottom to top which means it is not -9 and it is -18 Sell trades. and you have mentioned only 1 buy trade at bottom so i assume it is closed at 1 dot retracement and then you are placing one sell trade and then buy trades for down retracement.
suppose if the price didn't retrace and it went up for another 100 dots (pip gaps), how are we going to come out of the negative equity?
  • #145
  • Mar 20, 2016 10:18am Mar 20, 2016 10:18am
Quoting abokwaik
{quote} The first entry was a sell, and lost after 10 pips up move. We open a new buy at the SL of the first sell (as we might picked up the wrong direction in our first trade). And we wait to see where the price will go, (as there is no meaning of closing a sell at loss and immediately opening a new sell at SL price). It goes another 10 pips up we open a new sell (as it might be overbought). If the second sell get stopped, we wait for another 10 pips up move before opening a new sell, and we already have our first buy order still alive. We continue...

thanks Abokwaik for explaining it... this looks like totally a new method/concept and is very much different from the initial concept....
  • #146
  • Mar 20, 2016 10:21am Mar 20, 2016 10:21am
Hey remon nice work here. I've been trading something very similar for over a year now with good results. I've been using a 25 pip grid but not saying you should do the same. I've been trading it manually so it is a lot of work with having to put in constant pending orders. Here's what I'll say about this system and then I will silently follow along without being a distraction. If anyone is going to use a broker with 50:1 leverage, save yourself the time and money and don't even bother. Bare minimum is 400:1. Killing off the biggest loser while collecting a little profit is the heart of this system. The biggest loser will weigh down the margin so killing it off when able is crucial. I trade this on a fixed spread broker with no commission and no crazy spread increase during news or end of NY/start of Asia. This means I pay a little more up front (2 pip for EU and UJ), but the levels are a constant. Don't forget with ecn, you'll pay low spreads, but also commission, and you have to take into consideration the swap if a position is open for a long time. You absolutely want to keep the positions hedged at all times. This will protect your margin when the market starts chopping every which way, or decides it will spike one way for 200 pips. Finally, keep moving along. The naysayers will always be there but they don't have the mental capacity to see the big picture. Looking forward to your EA and wish you the very best.
  • #147
  • Mar 20, 2016 11:10am Mar 20, 2016 11:10am
Quoting TheDirtySerb
Hey remon nice work here. I've been trading something very similar for over a year now with good results. I've been using a 25 pip grid but not saying you should do the same. I've been trading it manually so it is a lot of work with having to put in constant pending orders. Here's what I'll say about this system and then I will silently follow along without being a distraction. If anyone is going to use a broker with 50:1 leverage, save yourself the time and money and don't even bother. Bare minimum is 400:1. Killing off the biggest loser while...
Since you have been trading it for a while, could you tell us the lot size you consider relatively safe for $1k or $10k (with the mentioned 25-pip grid)?
  • #148
  • Mar 20, 2016 11:53am Mar 20, 2016 11:53am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} Since you have been trading it for a while, could you tell us the lot size you consider relatively safe for $1k or $10k (with the mentioned 25-pip grid)?
I trade 1 micro or 1000 units per 25 pip grid on a 500:1 $1200 account. Its never been even close to a margin call so you could say my way is very conservative. With a 10 pip grid you're looking at many more entries so if trading just EU, you could probably do 400:1 at $2K, 500:1 at $1.6K, and 1000:1 at $800. I wouldn't start with this much though until the EA is fully tested. I wouldn't use a demo account either. Open a cent account with $100 and trade 1 or 10 units per entry which is the equivalent of a tenth of a cent or a cent per pip per entry. Then you'll get a better idea of how the ea performs, along with other factors such as margin, profit, spread, news, etc. Good luck guys, I won't be commenting anymore with respect to remon and the integrity of the thread.
  • #149
  • Mar 20, 2016 12:15pm Mar 20, 2016 12:15pm
Quoting TheDirtySerb
{quote} I trade 1 micro or 1000 units per 25 pip grid on a 500:1 $1200 account. Its never been even close to a margin call so you could say my way is very conservative. With a 10 pip grid you're looking at many more entries so if trading just EU, you could probably do 400:1 at $2K, 500:1 at $1.6K, and 1000:1 at $800. I wouldn't start with this much though until the EA is fully tested. I wouldn't use a demo account either. Open a cent account with $100 and trade 1 or 10 units per entry which is the equivalent of a tenth of a cent or a cent per pip...
Thanks!

Since the positions are always hedged (at least partially) the leverage seems to be really important (i.e. the higher the better).
  • #150
  • Mar 20, 2016 12:37pm Mar 20, 2016 12:37pm
Quoting remon78eg
{quote} The Hedge Is Not 100% So, We Have To Avoid Trading In Friday To Not Pay Swap And Fall In Gaps.
hi
first of all, fascinating idea, curious to see where it goes.

also, mind if i point out ( that maybe you missed) that most brokers charge 3x the swap on WEDNESDAY, so, Friday trading as is wont effect much your account from that point, all weekend swaps paid in advance!
of course, the GAPs are different matters.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #151
  • Mar 20, 2016 1:39pm Mar 20, 2016 1:39pm
Quoting remon78eg
Video Part 2 Is Now Available. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8E3...ature=youtu.be I Named It, Accumulative Profits Grid (Forex No-Loss Strategy).
asa​lamalekum...good job, I will wait for the ea
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  • #152
  • Mar 20, 2016 3:23pm Mar 20, 2016 3:23pm
Quoting hewtwok
thanks remon for the part2 video...been waiting for it
Thanks.
  • #153
  • Mar 20, 2016 4:13pm Mar 20, 2016 4:13pm
Quoting fanatics
Thanks remon for the interesting system and video. Would like to ask how you would handle news and gaps that result in some levels not being filled? Or you dont care because one side of the orders will be in huge profits, the other side in huge losses, and you slowly make use of the profits to try to close the losses?
Every Problem Found,
We Will Try To Solve It Step By Step.

We Will Try To Open Every Level At Its Place,
Regardless Of Spread Amount In That Moment,

By Opening The Sell Trade
Only When Ask Price Is Upper The Next Sell Level.

And Opening The Buy Trade
Only When Bid Price Is Under Next Buy Level.

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  • #154
  • Mar 20, 2016 4:25pm Mar 20, 2016 4:25pm
Quoting joesat
my feeling if we are in strong trend with small pullbacks we are in trouble
We Will Try That To Know.
  • #155
  • Mar 20, 2016 4:28pm Mar 20, 2016 4:28pm
Quoting imdisaait
wowww......this is great thinking...!!! I am confident this strategy will SURELY work on 1.a side way markets..... 2.when the market moving within a reasonable range and no big gap or no big trends/news available...... 3.specially during when the market is not active.... like Asian market.... great work n thinking..... really appreciate
Yes That's Right.
  • #156
  • Mar 20, 2016 4:32pm Mar 20, 2016 4:32pm
Quoting rammer13
Hi remon, Thank you for this interesting strategy. 30 years ago I purchased a book called OPTIONS. I knew nothing about the market but the one thing I do remember is this. The writer said that there is a 5% margin if you trade in both directions "hedging" as it is called today. What I am seeing with your system is that the software every now and then picks up a margin because of the way the market operates and takes advantage to make small consecutive profits.If I am correct in the way I see this system working i congratulate you and correct me...
Thanks.
  • #157
  • Mar 20, 2016 4:35pm Mar 20, 2016 4:35pm
Quoting iwjw
Hi remon, really really thanks for your hard work and sharing it in the first place In your Video #2 price was going up at the beginning so the long profits could help to get out of the short side What if markets goes down at the start of a new cycle. Does that mean that the short profits are shared to get out of the long side? Simply just the other way round as in your Video So it's always switching depending on which of the legs is currently in overall profit
Yes, That's Right.
  • #158
  • Mar 20, 2016 4:49pm Mar 20, 2016 4:49pm
100 % Profits. I guess that you are a billionare now.
ARES!
  • #159
  • Mar 20, 2016 4:51pm Mar 20, 2016 4:51pm
Quoting tradeforlife
{quote} Great Video Remon... hatsoff to you... you have put a lot of effort in conceiving the idea and creating it into video to explain to all of us... the concept is good and it works.... i have a suggestion for you.... we are closing the hedged positions to close the losers and in this way, we are having too many open losers trades and if the market start to trend in one way without any retracement, then these big losers are going to grow as biggest losers but still we might have opened hedged positions and they are also growing but...
Yes That's Right,

I Will Make A Percent (from 0 to 100) To Share Profits
From Winner Trades To Put In The (Left Side Heart)

And Also A Percent (from 0 to 100) To Share Profits
From Loser Trades To Put In The (Right Side Box) If Profits Was > 0.0
  • #160
  • Mar 20, 2016 4:54pm Mar 20, 2016 4:54pm
Quoting dean1star
makes perfect sense with todays market algos trading especially on pound dollar. up and back down up and back down .. logical really i have seen this idea and system before for sure . just have to think were if i remember correctly it was over at the other well known place for traders.
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