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  • #81,921
  • Jan 3, 2016 9:34am Jan 3, 2016 9:34am
can i get a good indicator and a template.
can you help me day trader
  • #81,922
  • Jan 3, 2016 9:38am Jan 3, 2016 9:38am
Quoting mwql23
I have been watching and making notes from Martin Pring's technical indicators course. I seriously need more fundamental knowledge on TA, before going back to paper trade.
In my opinion,. and in my experience, more books and articles and courses on technical indicators is NOT the road to success in trading. You need to leanr basic price action concepts. Read Edwards and Magee (find the fourth edition). Rdead the technical analysis chapters in Victor Sperandeo's first two books, read Al Brooks "Reading Price Charts Bar by Bar" (this is a difficult, poorly written book but it has some excellent price action concepts that can accelerate your understanding). Read Bob Volmaan's books: I prefer his book on the five minute time frame, but his forex scalping book is also worth reading - I do advise against scalping however. SonicR is an intraday trendfollowing system. It is much easier than an in and out microtimeframe scalping system. But Bob Volman's books are both excellent for learning price action concepts.

You need to focus on price itself, not the indictors. Even the Sonic dragon will eventually become unnecessary for you. The dragon, the moving averages, are a tool used to smooth the price data to let you more quickly and easily see the direction of the current trend. After you accumulate a few months to years of watching price action in real time for hours per day, you will find that you no longer need the data smoothing of the moving averages to see whether the trend is Up or Down or Sideways/Consolidating/ranging.

Sell you Martin Pring on ebay, and buy Volman instead.
  • #81,923
  • Jan 3, 2016 9:43am Jan 3, 2016 9:43am
Quoting kirannaik
can i get a good indicator and a template. can you help me day trader
You do not need a template. All you need to do is put on your chart a 34 ema of the high, a 34 ema of the close, and a 34 ema of the low. I do not have templates because I do not use MT$. In fact, I do not trader Forex any more. I trade futures contracts. I trade the 6E (EUR/USD futures), the ZB (30 year bonds) the ZN (10 year notes the ZF (five year notes) the YM (mini-Dow futures) and the ES (S&P 500 emini futures).

You do not need templates. Use of templates encourages indicator overload. Just look at the templates on FF that have 5 or 8 or 10 or more indicators! The SonicR dragon is just three exponential moving averages:

1) the 34 ema of the highs
2) the 34 ema of the closes or "last"
3) the 34 ema of the lows

All based on the 15 minute bar interval.

There is no magic. Learn to identify trend and discipline yourself to trade in the direction of the trend.
  • #81,924
  • Jan 3, 2016 10:11am Jan 3, 2016 10:11am
@ddaytrader

Thanks for replying.
If you are saying the original sonic was better, where can I get this original material?
At the bottom of the #1 post, there is a zip file modified by "tradeathome" on the 17/3/2014 containing sonic template and 6 indicators.
I guess this is not the original sonic material.
where to find/learn the original sonic?

If the sonic system is based just on the "34-EMA" (read your last reply) than I guess is not a "volume price action" system but something else.
Could you please post from your account a real sonic chart to understand the original stile from the one modified by tradeathome.

Thanks in advance
Merka
  • #81,925
  • Jan 3, 2016 1:41pm Jan 3, 2016 1:41pm
Quoting Merka
@ddaytrader Thanks for replying. If you are saying the original sonic was better, where can I get this original material? At the bottom of the #1 post, there is a zip file modified by "tradeathome" on the 17/3/2014 containing sonic template and 6 indicators. I guess this is not the original sonic material. where to find/learn the original sonic? If the sonic system is based just on the "34-EMA" (read your last reply) than I guess is not a "volume price action" system but something else. Could you please post from your account a real sonic chart...
Read what I wrote carefully - read slowly and carefully - you DO NOT NEED any indicator to trade the original SonicR other than the "dragon." What is the dragon? It is nothing other than three 34 period exponential moving averages. One is the 34 EMA of the highs, the middle line is the 34 EMA of the closing or last price, and the lower line is the 34 EMA of the lows. You do not need any other indicators. I do not have "an account" to show, as I presume you mean an MT4 account. Again, if you would just read what I already posted carefully and slowly you would not have asked for this, as I already said I do not have an MT4 account, and I do not trade spot forex with bucket shop brokers any longer.

Here is Sonicdeejay's post #6 from this thread. Note that although he has two indicators in the lower pane of the chart, HE DOES NOT USE THEM! HE USES PRICE ACTION AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE "DRAGON," I.E. THE EXPONENTIAL MOVING AVERAGES.

Quoting sonicdeejay
White :::: Open positions Red::: SL line Blue/Lite Blue :::: TP, Close positions Yesterday was ranging during UK session and I await for a valid break out. Please attention to how I count my wave using HH,HL and LH,LL... Trade 1 (long) Entry..I was waiting for the ranging line to get broken (The white line) SL.... I put my SL @ few pips below nearest support level. (The red line) TP.... I book my profit when top "M" shapre is broken. {image}
And finally, here is a copy of a chart I posted a few posts above yesterday. This is all a new soniker needs to get started, to learn to read price action, and to ;learn to trade profitably:

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I can't do any more for you. Everything you need can be found in my recent posts, and by studying the very first few charts posted by sonicdeejay at the beginning of this thread. Ignore post #1: That post has been completely polluted with TAH stuff. You will not be able to figure out what is original and what is paranoid craziness with excessive indicator envy from that first post.

READ POSTS 2, 3, 5, 6-8, 12 (where sonicdeejay discusses MACD if you really feel you "need" yet another indicator), 14, 18, 23, and 25. Stop after that, and investigate on your own.
  • #81,926
  • Jan 3, 2016 2:14pm Jan 3, 2016 2:14pm
@ddaytrader
Thanks a lot. Now is clear to me the difference between the 2 systems.
  • #81,927
  • Jan 3, 2016 7:36pm Jan 3, 2016 7:36pm
Quoting ddaytrader
{quote} SonicR is not PSVRA. traderathome did not develop SonicR. The great mystery of this thread (SonicR System) is why in the world did Sonicdeejay abandon the system and the thread to the direction of traderathome. SonicR is primarily a "with trend" system based upon support and resistance and using the 34 exponential moving averages of the high, the close, and the low on the M15 chart to determine the trend. If you want PSVRA then I advise you to go to the PSVRA thread here or you can go to traderathomes new home at donnaforex.xom. But SonicR,...

Yeah ! don't know how many time more i should emphasize this to new readers: Please read only those posts in 2008 and that is more than enough.

Cheers,
  • #81,928
  • Jan 3, 2016 7:41pm Jan 3, 2016 7:41pm
Quoting Merka
@ddaytrader Thanks for replying. If you are saying the original sonic was better, where can I get this original material? At the bottom of the #1 post, there is a zip file modified by "tradeathome" on the 17/3/2014 containing sonic template and 6 indicators. I guess this is not the original sonic material. where to find/learn the original sonic? If the sonic system is based just on the "34-EMA" (read your last reply) than I guess is not a "volume price action" system but something else. Could you please post from your account a real sonic chart...

If you want to find something more original of Sonic R as he mentioned that he learned it from Raghee, here is Raghee wave that you can explore more about

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  • #81,929
  • Jan 3, 2016 9:01pm Jan 3, 2016 9:01pm
Quoting xtrade_vn
{quote} If you want to find something more original of Sonic R as he mentioned that he learned it from Raghee, here is Raghee wave that you can explore more about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxZlK6adXpI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkro_cutAoM
At 19:20 in the "Million Dollar Set Up" video, she mentions FF and refers to SonicR thread.
  • #81,930
  • Jan 3, 2016 10:07pm Jan 3, 2016 10:07pm
Quoting xtrade_vn
{quote} If you want to find something more original of Sonic R as he mentioned that he learned it from Raghee, here is Raghee wave that you can explore more about
Nice share, xtrade

Here is her Free ebook from the webinar here at FF:

http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...6&d=1423523769

In my opinion, it would be better to look to Raghee and her videos and books explaining the wave or "dragon" that most of what has been posted in this thread.
  • #81,931
  • Jan 3, 2016 10:09pm Jan 3, 2016 10:09pm
Quoting ddaytrader
{quote} At 19:20 in the "Million Dollar Set Up" video, she mentions FF and refers to SonicR thread.

Yes also notice that 12-2 and 4-6 clock used by Raghee to filter the trade. And i know Raghee today focused mainly with Daily chart... while Sonic R venture more on m15.. but it does not matter... as long as you find a best timeframe that suits you most or stick simply with m15 tf as proposed by Sonic R. I prefer m15 chart and d1 chart setup.

Enjoy the positive pips everyday buddies!
  • #81,932
  • Edited 10:43pm Jan 3, 2016 10:20pm | Edited 10:43pm
Quoting xtrade_vn
{quote} Yes also notice that 12-2 and 4-6 clock used by Raghee to filter the trade.
Yes. I use trend lines to mark off triangles/wedges to accomplish much the same thing, but her 12-2 o'clock angle for buys and 4 to 6 o'clock angle for sells and her 2 to 4 o'clock angle for choppy no trade zone is a very useful descriptive tool. In fact, early on in this thread, you will find Sonicdeejay saying to avoid trades where the wave is pointing toward 3 o'clock.

So simple and uncomplicated this is, but you wouldn't know it from reading the mess this thread turned into the last few years.

Here is one of my charts I posted from page 423 of this thread back in 2009: Notice how clean and simple we used to do it back then!

http://www.forexfactory.com/attachme...5&d=1260550752

Sonicdeejay's signature used to say "Most traders take a good system and ruin it trying to make it perfect," which is exactly what happened here.
  • #81,933
  • Jan 3, 2016 10:39pm Jan 3, 2016 10:39pm
Quoting ddaytrader
{quote} Yes. I use trend lines to mark off triangles/wedges to accomplish much the same thing, but her 12-2 o'clock angle for buys and 4 to 6 o'clock angle for sells and her 2 to 4 o'clock angle for choppy no trade zone is a very useful descriptive tool. In fact, early on in this thread, you will find Sonicdeejay saying to avoid trades where the wave is pointing toward 3 o'clock. So simple and uncomplicated this is, but you wouldn't know it from reading the mess this thread turned into the last few years. Here is one of my charts I posted from page...

yes, and so sad to know it too...should we also abandon this threat as the rest of real Soniker?
  • #81,934
  • Jan 3, 2016 10:50pm Jan 3, 2016 10:50pm
Quoting xtrade_vn
{quote} yes, and so sad to know it too...should we also abandon this thread as the rest of real Soniker?
In my opinion, this thread died a long time ago and what was left was something like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."

I am thinking of starting up a journal of my own. For some reason I got it into my head to take a little $2k futures account I've had sitting on the side and try to run it up to something ridiculous like $200K in 2 years, and I thought maybe I'd journal the effort here. If I do start a journal of my own here at FF, I doubt I'll post much here at SonicR.

Another good thread at FF that I like a lot is Divergence's Flag Trading the Trend thread. You can find it here:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=280673

What is interesting in that thread is that it has actually gotten better and more price action based today than it was a few years back when Divergence started it. Some nice folks posting over there.
  • #81,935
  • Jan 3, 2016 11:01pm Jan 3, 2016 11:01pm
Quoting ddaytrader
{quote} In my opinion, this thread died a long time ago and what was left was something like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers." I am thinking of starting up a journal of my own. For some reason I got it into my head to take a little $2k futures account I've had sitting on the side and try to run it up to something ridiculous like $200K in 2 years, and I thought maybe I'd journal the effort here. If I do start a journal of my own here at FF, I doubt I'll post much here at SonicR. Another good thread at FF that I like a lot is Divergence's Flag Trading...
So let me know when you start a new threat... this will be my last visit in this thread..

All the best to you!
  • #81,936
  • Jan 4, 2016 6:37am Jan 4, 2016 6:37am
great article! helped me a lot! thank you very much
Seize your trading!
  • #81,937
  • Jan 4, 2016 1:46pm Jan 4, 2016 1:46pm
Hello, first of all sorry for my English it is very bad.
Carry time reading this forum and especially this, about 3 months, and I started in this business of trading for 4, I have gone mad to translate and understand the new sonic system, operating in demo but with many failures, now thanks to the last post DDay I think I begin to understand better the old sonic system, being much simpler, but I still find the right settings simple indicators needed. So I just wanted to thank everyone who participated in this issue from the beginning, and now Dday for the clarifications.
Greetings and hope to go going into the forum.
  • #81,938
  • Jan 4, 2016 2:14pm Jan 4, 2016 2:14pm
Thanks all for the good links.
  • #81,939
  • Jan 4, 2016 7:51pm Jan 4, 2016 7:51pm
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  • #81,940
  • Jan 4, 2016 7:55pm Jan 4, 2016 7:55pm
ESH6 S&P 500 e-mini futures contract

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