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  • #641
  • Dec 20, 2015 1:40pm Dec 20, 2015 1:40pm
Quoting akkus45
Thank you for new release Dear Bauta , Dear MasterGuru , they attached above post pictures are from account's blow up times. I was use this settings on backtest : {image} Detailed ... {image}
akkus45,
I do not recommend testing with spread of 1, it is not in the real world. I do recommend testing with spreads of 5 or bigger.
OK, let me explain: Tester do not uses commissions or swaps, that is, you need at least one pip for commission and one for swap.
Let's assume you are in ECN broker, spread is tight but you have to pay commission and swap, that is the broker portion. Now, if you are on dealing desk broker, your spread will be 5 or more, the broker portion is the spread.
Then in resuming, one spread is not realistic.
Note this, if with spread of 10 your test goes well, then in real conditions with better spread+commision+swap you will get better results. That is the idea, test the worse case scenario.
bauta
  • #642
  • Dec 20, 2015 1:48pm Dec 20, 2015 1:48pm
Quoting bauta
{quote} akkus45, I do not recommend testing with spread of 1bauta
OK , I will make a test with 10 spreads just and will share here results. Thank you...
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  • #643
  • Dec 20, 2015 1:49pm Dec 20, 2015 1:49pm
Test with 1 spread .
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  • #644
  • Dec 20, 2015 2:11pm Dec 20, 2015 2:11pm
Interesting result , good....
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  • #645
  • Dec 20, 2015 2:49pm Dec 20, 2015 2:49pm
Quoting normtold
{quote} You are welcome MG. Your request is even more relevant this week as Friday is a bank holiday and the markets are closed so we would need to manually set the EA Continue parameter to false and set take profit to 0.1 on Thursday afternoon or before. I look forward to the next 4 days testing a few ideas.
Got it, Thanks for explanation
  • #646
  • Dec 20, 2015 2:49pm Dec 20, 2015 2:49pm
Quoting bauta
{quote} It is not different magic per pair, it is different magic for same pair, different style. Example: Running only one set per pair, this are the magic's: EURUSD magic=301 GBPUSD magic-301 USDJPY magic=301 USDCAD magic=301 GBPJPY magic=301 Now, if you want to run EURUSD many times, with different styles, or different increments, etc, then use 350 for the second one, 351 for the third and so on. Example EURUSD symmetric magic=301 EURUSD mChannel magic=350 EURUSD FloppyChannel magic=351 GBPUSD symmetric magic=301 GBPUSD mChannel magic=350 GBPUSD...
Got it, Thanks for explanation
  • #647
  • Dec 20, 2015 2:58pm Dec 20, 2015 2:58pm
Important info for testing:
Testing uses server time for local or GTM times. It is important you offset it when testing.
I may change the time parameter to use server time instead, then test, demo and live will be at the same time.
I do use this script to calculate the three different times. Just save to scrip folder and drop it to a chart.
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  • #648
  • Dec 20, 2015 3:12pm Dec 20, 2015 3:12pm
Quoting bauta
EG103 022a Release: What is new? MoneyTakeProfit parameter renamed to TakeProfit Symmetry settings section added: TakeProfitAtLevel: if true, will close positions in profit at the level (v022), if set to false will keep position (v021) OrderMultiplier: The multiplier factor for the orders. Default is 2. General settings section added: StartTimeLocal: start time using local computer time in 24 hours format. EndTimeLocal: end time using local computer time. Grid will be set at closure mode after this time. it will resume when StartTimeLocal is triggered....
Already setup the 103.22a on Demo and 103.22 on Live!
EURUSD, USDJPY, AUDUSD, GBPUSD

Symmetry with Grid increment 70 pips, all other settings are default.
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  • #649
  • Dec 20, 2015 3:17pm Dec 20, 2015 3:17pm
Quoting bauta
Important info for testing:
Ok , alright , According to what I need to set time backtest Dear Bauta ?

And , What is Margin init ? Thank you ...
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  • #650
  • Edited 3:39pm Dec 20, 2015 3:23pm | Edited 3:39pm
Quoting Shamim1981
{quote} Already setup the 103.22a on Demo and 103.22 on Live!
Good luck Dear Shamim , I will use symmetry of 22a(TakeProfitAtLevel=True) from 23:00 to 10:00 GMT (01:00-12:00 Local ) . it can work ea at later hours according to case of news..

My daily target of win is %1-2 . Thank you... ( If I don't loss )
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  • #651
  • Dec 20, 2015 3:50pm Dec 20, 2015 3:50pm
Quoting akkus45
{quote} Good luck Dear Shamim , I will use symmetry of 22a(TakeProfitAtLevel=True) from 23:00 to 10:00 GMT (01:00-12:00 Local ) . it can work ea at later hours according to case of news.. My daily target of win is %1-2 . Thank you... ( If I don't loss ) {image}
Thanks!
Like previous week, I will stop EA on high impact news (both live and demo)
  • #652
  • Dec 20, 2015 4:38pm Dec 20, 2015 4:38pm
Quoting akkus45
Thank you for new release Dear Bauta , Dear MasterGuru , they attached above post pictures are from account's blow up times. I was use this settings on backtest : {image} Detailed ... {image}
@akkus45

Very interesting statistics, especiallly about the 11 account crashes over a 12 months period of time.

Well, lets play a little with this idea: What if we reversed all signals issued in the backtest...?

1. We would get numerous losses every day, day after day, but about once a month we would double the account.

2. So if we double the 1500 USD initial account 11 times, it means that the total - reinvested - profit by the end of the year would be: 1,500 + 3,000 + 6000 + 12,000 + 24,000 + 48,000 + 56,000 +112,000 + 224,000 + 448,000 + 996,000 = 1,930,500 USD

In other words: 1287% profit within 12 months wihthout a single margin call, because the profit on the original version has never reached 100%.

Dear Master Bauta, this is not a mockery of the strategy and I am not trying to derail this thread. It is just a logical thought process about converting 11 account crashes (i.e. margin calls) into 11 account doubling events... Am I missing something...?
  • #653
  • Dec 20, 2015 4:49pm Dec 20, 2015 4:49pm
Thanks for the updated version bauta,

I am forward testing symmetry 021, symmetry 022 BE@5, scalpgrid 022 BE@5 EU ad EG and symmetry2, so will open a new demo to test 22a.
  • #654
  • Dec 20, 2015 4:50pm Dec 20, 2015 4:50pm
Quoting akkus45
{quote} Ok , alright , According to what I need to set time backtest Dear Bauta ? And , What is Margin init ? Thank you ... {image}
Local time and server time are the same here. You don't have to offset it. Initial init is the margin need to open one full lot.
  • #655
  • Dec 20, 2015 5:30pm Dec 20, 2015 5:30pm
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} @akkus45 Very interesting statistics, especiallly about the 11 account crashes over a 12 months period of time. Well, lets play a little with this idea: What if we reversed all signals issued in the backtest...? 1. We would get numerous losses every day, day after day, but about once a month we would double the account. 2. So if we double the 1500 USD initial account 11 times, it means that the total - reinvested - profit by the end of the year would be: 1,500 + 3,000 + 6000 + 12,000 + 24,000 + 48,000 + 56,000 +112,000 + 224,000 + 448,000...
Ha!, interesting. doesn't it?
Well, once one of my friends ask me the same, he ask me to reverse the signals and I did. you know what. It loses too.
I did ask him. If you are able to find out why buying on the signal or selling on the signal both loses then we will be able to be reach. That is the mystery we may no understand.
The market works in a very non sense way.

OK, the reversed symmetry signal is the FloppyChannel. It execute at the same level with the difference that Floppy buy and symmetry sells, also floppy multiply quantity by 4. I may populate this parameter then you can test it with 2 like symmetry.

Learn this: there are not doubling accounts in one year there. the market will give you the dead trade on one day or the other.

To double accounts, you must go aggressive and so the risk. I am been able to double money in EG tests but it is not reliable. Next year or so, you loses it all, profit and principal.

if we want this EA to works we need to find how the other side of the order is doing.

This is a good question: Do you believe that when the markets goes up is because people are buying? Ha!. what about the other side, they are selling. What about if we learn that when the market goes up is because some big one wanting to sell, what about if we sell when the market goes up?
That is symmetry, the believe of sell when the market goes up.
Now, FloppyChannel is vice verse, it buys when market goes up and sell when market goes down. due to the market consolidate more of the time, this style is better for break outs or news days.

OK, do the home work, I did try the reversal already and it did not work. I do believe the reason is spread+commision+swap.
If you find something let me know,
thanks for your post,
bauta
  • #656
  • Edited 12:24am Dec 21, 2015 12:11am | Edited 12:24am
Good morning Dear Buddies . I'm sharing last status of my account. Good luck to everyone ...
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  • #657
  • Dec 21, 2015 3:08am Dec 21, 2015 3:08am
There's no news today, so I've changed the Grid increment settings to 40 pips! on all Pairs.
Check my EG103.22a Trading option.
  • #658
  • Dec 21, 2015 6:13am Dec 21, 2015 6:13am
confine oneself to little, it greatest wealth.
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  • #659
  • Dec 21, 2015 6:37am Dec 21, 2015 6:37am
Quoting akkus45
confine oneself to little, it greatest wealth. {image}
Exactly! Our "only" threats are the major, sudden uni-directional price movements"...

They may come only once a year, but they can take the entire account. One has to be aware of it and act very carefully when trading "MartiGrids".
  • #660
  • Dec 21, 2015 6:52am Dec 21, 2015 6:52am
Quoting MasterGuru
{quote} Exactly! Our "only" threats are the major, sudden uni-directional price movements"... They may come only once a year, but they can take the entire account. One has to be aware of it and act very carefully when trading "MartiGrids".
Many people say better to trade on none USD paris! any ideas?!
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