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  • Dec 2, 2015 6:59am Dec 2, 2015 6:59am
  •  nobbie
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Is it time to go short? Look at this upper move, price hat to ratrace soon...

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  •  tibovwh
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Quoting trade786
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tibovwh r u following the long term trend using the entries in 4hr for this results rather than taking every trade that crosses to the up and downside of 10emq
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This is a raw backtest of the original entry criteria. It uses no filter whatsoever. I think I talk about this in the document.
 
 
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  • Dec 2, 2015 7:14am Dec 2, 2015 7:14am
  •  tibovwh
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{quote} Hey Tibo , Last year, about the same time posted something really useful , what gives you quickly a good kind of expereince after a several weeks of " training" http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...86#post7743986 I viewed your DOC and in fact id never tried a kind of system with only 52% winners. when i started the TMS ( totally simple and easy without most indicators .. and only h4 and d1 Im successful in TMs ) , I started with a quick backtest .. done within 1-3 hours.. then for weeks .. yes weeks only the posted...
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Thx for your reply.

I have used this simulator aswell. I think it's very good but it also has limitations. Trade management is pretty hard. But the idea is indeed to come up with a set of rules and then test them in a simulated environment.

53% Winrate is indeed lower than what most people seem to achieve with TMS. But keep in mind the entry criteria for this backtest. I really don't think this is a tradable system when I look at the distribution of drawdowns for example in my Monte Carlo simulation... This is really hard for any person to withstand I think. I want to mould this system into something that is actually tradable and emotionally managable that fits me. The key will be filtering market types and exit strategies.

I like to think that I have found the way but the path is long

Best,
 
 
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  • Dec 2, 2015 7:27am Dec 2, 2015 7:27am
  •  tibovwh
  • Joined May 2015 | Status: Member | 558 Posts
Quoting pulubi28
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{quote} Why did you not include ADR on your chart LL? Your chart looks simple and neat, but you can take home very good amount of pips. May I ask also what is the setting of your 2 yellow MAs? How do you choose your pairs for the day? I think I am already having information overload... Been reading a lot here in TMS and pdfs attached, I do not know how to apply it all anymore. I am getting hesitant with opening a trade already.
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Hey pulubi,

I understand what you are saying. Many times I have felt overloaded with information too in this TMS thread. I think this is because the original edge in TMS has been taken by many traders over the years and every single one of them have found a way to make the system their own. As a result there is a lot of information in this thread. The core of all the systems remains the same.

I think it's important to stay focused. Have your goals and objectives in mind. Have you written down your objectives? Study certain aspects in detail, but one at a time. I would refer you to my google driver folder where you can find a lot of information. Find some things you want to study and do so. Write down your rules (that you have tested preferably) and follow them.

Give yourself time. I think Big E said to spend atleast 3 months testing and learning the system. There is the 10000-hour screentime. Give yourself 3 years to learn forex trading... A lot of different numbers and there is no right one. You'll have to find out your "threshold" for yourself.

I'm in the same boat as you and still studying, learning and experimenting. Good luck!
 
 
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  • Dec 2, 2015 7:50am Dec 2, 2015 7:50am
  •  Lookleft
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{quote} Yes you're right Lookleft. I missed this while looking at other currency pairs. Do you have 4 pairs of eyes or a scanning indicator to assist?
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Hi Fbps,
No indicator and normal eyes.
My trading day starts at 7:00am gmt. It takes me about 15 minutes to scan the 8 pairs I watch for any potential setups. When I spot a setup I drag the chart for that pair to the left of my screen so I effectively rank the pairs I'm watching from left to right. It's then time for a shower and breakfast ready to start trading at 8:00am gmt. There might be the very odd occasion when I enter a trade at 7:00am but I don't like trading on FO.
Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
 
 
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  •  Fbps
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{quote} Hi Fbps, No indicator and normal eyes. My trading day starts at 7:00am gmt. It takes me about 15 minutes to scan the 8 pairs I watch for any potential setups. When I spot a setup I drag the chart for that pair to the left of my screen so I effectively rank the pairs I'm watching from left to right. It's then time for a shower and breakfast ready to start trading at 8:00am gmt. There might be the very odd occasion when I enter a trade at 7:00am but I don't like trading on FO.
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Yup, that's what I did as well. I tiled my charts vertically that I want to monitor..usually 3 at max. Will need to get a monitor so I can easily view the other pairs. Thanks Lookleft ...happy to know you have normal eyes
 
 
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  • Dec 2, 2015 8:10am Dec 2, 2015 8:10am
  •  Holyrose
  • | Joined Apr 2013 | Status: Member | 15 Posts
I do not understand. Big E used 5 indicator only. And said not allowed to add more indicator because its TRADING MADE SIMPLE. But when I look the charts people posted, there are more indicators that candles can not disappear. I choose this trading method because of less noisy charts. All I need tdi, APB and PAC. ı do not use stoch.

Past time I loaded more indicators and see I have more conditions to open a trade. So ı started to read big E. And I am very happy to use it.
 
 
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  • Dec 2, 2015 8:20am Dec 2, 2015 8:20am
  •  Lookleft
  • Joined Dec 2014 | Status: Member | 780 Posts
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{quote} Why did you not include ADR on your chart LL? Your chart looks simple and neat, but you can take home very good amount of pips. May I ask also what is the setting of your 2 yellow MAs? How do you choose your pairs for the day? I think I am already having information overload... Been reading a lot here in TMS and pdfs attached, I do not know how to apply it all anymore. I am getting hesitant with opening a trade already.
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Hi pulubi26
When a trade is that close to the daily open there is no need to look at the ADR. If the trade had gone another 20 pips or so I would have dropped the ADR indicator on the chart and set an alarm just above the ADR then removed the indi. Sometimes I set an alarm at the ADR high/low as a reminder and again remove the indi.
The 2 yellow ema are the PAC that is built into the synergy_pro_APB. They give you a conservative entry but can help keep you out of bad trades as you should wait for the APB to close outside the PAC before entering and stops you jumping on every APB move and TDI cross. They can also be used as an exit rule for when the APB closes back inside the pack.
I watch the same 8 pairs all the time and reckon to see 2 -3 good trade setups a day.
Try to keep things as simple as possible and don't try and run before you can walk. Aim for 20 - 30 pips a trade and once that target is reached take the profit no matter what happens to the price after you have closed. After a month you'll soon find that 20 pips seems easy so increase you target slightly (but only if there is room for price to move). On a lot of the pairs I trade, 1 APB is about 20-25 pips so you could close your trade after I APB until you get confidence.
Hope this helps
Edit: And always trade with the trend.
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  • Dec 2, 2015 10:04am Dec 2, 2015 10:04am
  •  stefan17
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What a beauty
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  •  planthetrade
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I do not understand. Big E used 5 indicator only. And said not allowed to add more indicator because its TRADING MADE SIMPLE. Agree

But when I look the charts people posted, there are more indicators that candles can not disappear. Agree

I choose this trading method because of less noisy charts. All I need tdi, APB and PAC. ı do not use stoch. Agree...
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Agree and have added only the Aroon for another confirming crossover for confirmation. Aroon (8) is only there for the crossover. TDI + 5ema with 3 offset + aroon behind the TDI.

Every great trader I have known says that the most important thing they know is this: "I know when I'm wrong and what to do about it, and I simply do it." I could not trade with all these additional indicators I see.

It took years to learn that this is the essence of what a trader is and then a few more years to see full cycle of markets with that mindset. Unfortunately, trading then becomes boring and redundant when all you do is money and risk management.

Markets are people, so study people..... like in a busy mall or walking in a big city at lunch time. I am the person standing between the two streams of traffic which are going in opposite directions trying to safely bend down and pick about 25 pips that somebody dropped on the sidewalk.

If you want to know what people do in markets then study price action within its structure, which is Elliott Wave (EW), in general. just the 5 impulse and 3 corrective moves. EW is not a trading system but it is a price action tracking system. period.
Trading is simply about managing the area between your ears
 
 
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  • Dec 2, 2015 10:48am Dec 2, 2015 10:48am
  •  WayneTech
  • | Joined Aug 2015 | Status: Wayne Enterprises | 30 Posts
G'day everyone!!

Entered this trade(Sell) when candle closed below 200ema and 50 ema along with the tdi cross. But sadly, it retraced back to my SL(40pips) before going all bearish. Is there away where i can avoid this type of situation in the future?

Thank You!!
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why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves up.
 
 
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  • Dec 2, 2015 11:20am Dec 2, 2015 11:20am
  •  stefan17
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Trades currently running = 200+ pips
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  • Dec 2, 2015 11:31am Dec 2, 2015 11:31am
  •  planthetrade
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G'day everyone!! Entered this trade(Sell) when candle closed below 200ema and 50 ema along with the tdi cross. But sadly, it retraced back to my SL(40pips) before going all bearish. Is there away where i can avoid this type of situation in the future? Thank You!! {image}
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I don't trade it but saw similar thing on GU
I call those whipsaw bars, 'bronco bars' because it feels like you just got bucked. They happen all the time and are annoying. I use the aroon to say get out or stay in. Only look for a cross on aroon.

If you look at the regular candles with an Elliot wave view, these are frequently 'b' waves near recent highs and recent lows sometimes get a 2 wave.
I also look at them as 2nd chances to enter again if I get stopped out but I usually set stops at lows and tops of swings ..... like eelfranz did.
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  • Dec 2, 2015 11:39am Dec 2, 2015 11:39am
  •  pulubi28
  • | Joined Nov 2014 | Status: Member | 109 Posts
Tibo and Lookleft, thank you for the insightful message and teachings. I will restart again with a clearer mind on my objective and learn the system once more.

Please do not get tired to help and share your thoughts and teachings to us newbies.
 
 
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  • Dec 2, 2015 12:25pm Dec 2, 2015 12:25pm
  •  Arso
  • | Joined Jul 2014 | Status: Member | 350 Posts
Dear Tibovwh,

Really interesting analysis and thank you very much to share it!

I'm learning forex for 2 years and have tested and back tested many systems with lots of Christmas trees charts.

So far I haven't found any profitable mechanical system. The interest of this thread is that we learn little by little the necessary skills to understand a little more the market thanks to the help of many seniors here.

As EELFRANZ affirmed and Emmanuel reminds
1 - Price Action
2 - TDI

I agree and I think that to filter out some trades we "only" have to analyse the PA and the S/R (multi-time frame of course).

It's hard for me so far so I did not find clear entries so I do not enter. Hopefully I could detect entries more sooner than later and share here so we could keep on learning together.

It would be nice to have a summary of the reasons why we have entered so we could develope our "third eyes" quicker. I will try to do it and please, fellow buddies, try to also post it with your chart.

Thank you again for your excellent posts.

Cheers!


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Back to the drawing board. I'm going to spend more time testing. When I forward test my "rules" it seems like I can never stick to these long enough to verify their performance. I think I will never have enough confidence in my rules when I haven't backtested these properly. So I'm spending a lot more time on this part to design something that fits me and something that works. And then the only thing remaining is discipline. I started yesterday with the very basics. Open a trade when APB close is above/below the 10EMA + APB changed colour #1 or...
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  •  doubleengulf
  • | Joined Nov 2015 | Status: Junior Member | 2 Posts
Simplicity and consistency for me. Regardless of your plan details, following it seem to be the key, if we are disciplined and consistent with our entries and management.
 
 
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  •  catalin_eros
  • Joined Jul 2013 | Status: Member | 1,045 Posts
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{quote} Hmmmm, can't seem to find the indicator in your post above. The clock is just an attached image Catalin. Can you update please? Thanks!
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Hello, Fbps!

I just landed on FF, so sorry for the delay!

The link contains useful info from Dimi.A, a very successful TMS trader, and he posted the clock image there. You can either take it from there, or you can take it from my post, if you right click on the clock and choose "save as". It will work that way, so let me know how it works out.
 
 
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  •  catalin_eros
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{quote} Thank u.. I see, the point is do I look only green line or both red and green line angle after crossing.
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Hello!

The green, Rose, just the green.
 
 
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  •  catalin_eros
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Trades currently running = 200+ pips {image} {image} {image}
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Nicely done, Stefan! You beat me today at trading.
 
 
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  •  catalin_eros
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{quote} Im a little less than 2 of 3 trades ( about 60% ) with a win ratio of 1:1 successful with tms , when I trade it and take only picky trades.. .. what is enough to grow the live account
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Hey there, buddy!

Being picky is very good. I will give my example, and thus I am busted with the fact that I could not keep my promise for more than a day. You know, the promise that I'll stop trading from December and use only the simulator. The market still moves nicely, I see nice setups, and I get hypnotized and push the trigger. But rest assured, I do use the simulator also.

AJ, H1, long

I entered later on this trade (because I was using the simulator ). If I had entered on the close of the first candle that closed above the PAC, I would have either locked in some profit, or exit at 30 pips (the ABP high was 35 pips). But since I entered when the candle had already moved 11 pips, I had to see my TP hit, which was a few pips higher than the high of the blue APB. I chose to move my SL to BE when the blue APB closed. I was taken out at BE. But this picky trade was a winner (30/35 pips), for anyone who traded the first candle close above the PAC.
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AU, H1, long
This one was a looser. -14 pips. I should have been more cautious when I saw the last blue APB. It was very small, so I should have moved my SL under it. But instead I preferred to let the trade move higher before moving my SL.
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GA, H1, short
This one was a winner, over 140 pips.
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All these trades had hidden divergence, which was one more reason for me to pull the trigger in the right direction. I set the right direction from the D1. That is how I decide if I am a bull or a bear on the H1, and wait for a setup in the right direction. And I remember Big Emm talking about something similar, the D1 with the 10 EMA to establish the direction for the H1. If you like the 10 EMA, give it a try, cause I am sure Big Emm knew what he was talking about. I just do not use it like that. But I do take my direction from the D1.

To make it clearer, I use the long term guppies, the PAC and the APBs for my D1 direction. And this morning I noticed that I want to be a seller on GBPAUD, EURNZD, EURAUD and GBPNZD, and a buyer on AUDJPY, AUDUSD and NZDUSD. Watch the yesterday's APB on those pairs on the D1, and you will understand why I chose them for today. Out of these 7 selected pairs, I entered on 3 of them.

And I also spotted a setup on H4, NU, using Big E's original method (but without the stochastics). Currently I have it on BE, so my 100+ pips are secured for the day. Now it's either BE, or TP. But keep in mind I am still on tests with Big E's original method, but so far it worked out nicely.
As you can see, the PA was rejected from a S/R area, and gave out a valid signal. As per Big E's instructions, the entry was done on the opening of the second red APB, with confirmation from the TDI. The only "rule breaking" was that I took it at the hour when Big E used to close his H4 trades. But the setup was good and I took advantage.
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So Guido is right: being picky really pays off. I took only 4 trades in a whole day, and I trade 16 pairs.
 
 
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