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  • #61
  • Sep 23, 2015 3:07am Sep 23, 2015 3:07am
Quoting edgartan
simple structure of market, does it always right??...... NO {image}
What is the structure of market? What is the purpose of the indi below? What is the purpose of values on the indi?
I don't need that answer because I know you have not any clue about what you are doing. Just try to answer and keep answers for yourself.
If you can't find detailed answers then you are walking on the darkness.
Light << >> Sound << >> Matter << >> Life << >> Thoughts << >> Numbers << >> Letters.
I'm Italian and there is a saying "Every rout leads to Rome" << >> Everything is interconnected, there is not one thing without the other and everything leads to...
God said "Let there be light" and light appeared and everything started to grow, to live.

Bye,
Alex
  • #62
  • Sep 23, 2015 5:11am Sep 23, 2015 5:11am
Quoting JR97
by the way, I'm on board with all of the ideas/theories presented in this thread. As stated, I've been researching this shit for years. It's great that so much of it is easier to access via youtube and what not instead of out of books and trying to visualize things that very difficult to visualize off the printed page. If you really want to wet your noodle, watch the "Imagining the 10th Dimension" video series. Dimensions 1 - 10 and also Zeroth dimension. "Athene's Theory of Everything" is good food for thought as well. Don't forget Nassim Haramein...
Hi, you are posting very good stuff here, with which I fully agree.
Yes, there are many ways to trade profitably, no fancy indicators are needed, BUT grasping those concepts is mandatory to understand how the market works, what is hidden behind our charts, what is trading and how we have to think.
Each one creates his/her own reality, as reality is the consequence of our thoughts, it is not objective; and the same applies to trading.
Once we have understood and accepted those concepts, we then are able to re-educate our mind and to build something to trade with successfully.
Trading is first of all a state of mind; the Holy Grail does really exist, but don't look for it in a system, it is inside us.
I've found a lot of similarities with the golf game; there is a beatiful film about, named "The legend of Bagger Vance".
I saw it a long time ago and at that moment in time it meant me almost nothing; I saw it again 2 years ago and it meant me so much! Since then I see it again once every year and each time I still find something I was missing.
  • #63
  • Sep 23, 2015 10:21am Sep 23, 2015 10:21am
This is not my stuff, it is an extract from a great article I've found among my path:

sphere packing results in lots of 8 spheres, representing the tips of tetrahedrons in a star tetrahedron. If the star tetrahedron were spinning (motion/time/polarity drive) - two spheres (tetrahedral tips) become poles and are therefore distinct - they spin but on their own axis. The other 6 spheres or tips, revolve around the center at the affect of the poles... this geometry is simply inherit in the packing or interlacing of spheres and/or tetrahedrons (tetrahedrons being the smallest possible equal sided volume and spheres the largest).


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If you understand V.B.M language you see that all numbers are accounted for and identified by fundamental, characteristic qualities that are "natural".

The sequence 1-2-4-8-7-5 (infinite cycle) make up the "visible" part that is spinning. The digits are assigned by family number groupings... The poles are 3 and 6 (alternating) and the 9 is the invisible center point that never moves at all. The 9 is made manifest in this way like a beam of light and a prism. "The All" (that is all digits and possible combinations) is actually "The One" (nine) - in a specific dynamic that describes a space-time fabric...


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Just as the qualities of the digits accurately describe the Star Tetrahedron/Seed of Life geometry, they also describe the Torus which is really a "flow dynamic". The motion is a feedback loop - that which is out becomes that which is in. It moves in all three axis simultaneously as it fold through itself.

Each number has a mirror thanks to polarization (3 and 6).
1 and 8,
2 and 7,
4 and 5
and of course 3 and 6.


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Nine is a singularity (infinite constant) and has no mirror except in its "charge".
(Every number, even 9, have polar "charge" that delineates whether a pole is a 3 or 6 (positive or negative - a negative 9 describes an inward vortex, a positive 9 describes an outward vortex...)

Each polar pair that make up the "visible"; the doubling circuit 1,2,4,8,7,5 -
1 and 8
2 and 7
4 and 5
- are all axis of space. X,Y,Z. The Z axis usually describes the axis that moves forward and backward and the X and Y are more or less interchangeable ( just like the 3,6 and 9 As you travel the torus with the number grid you move into the torus on a spiral that endlessly moves towards the center and every "skin" you penetrate shifts in orientation.... It is a 4D fractal that describes the basis of all fundamental motion of energy in a "perfect" model.

It's very simple but it unfolds by itself if you can extrapolate only what is self-demonstrated, just as sacred geometry unfolds with little need to think, because there is an underlying requirement that the whole creation has to fulfill - Oneness/Allness - fractal correspondence and equal and opposite forces.


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Everything bends towards this "wholly" center of everything that we are using the symbol of "9" to represent. The symbols 3 and 6 represent the 9 in a new form that is dual - from this single act all else falls into place just as the first iteration of the Fibonacci Sequence demonstrates:

1,1, 2, 3 etc... - The first expression is simply that the "one" doubles itself. This is where the whole feedback loop starts - the former 1 is "fed" to the latter 1 and it produces from its "wholly conception" - a "2" - a new quality that expresses the initial "miracle" of doubling. This is the entire equation into infinite and very simply reveals the Phi ratio that is of course inherit, in one degree or another, in all natural formation. (This is also the initial start to the doubling circuit - 1 doubles to 2..)


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For those who are willing to ask what does this have to do with trading, please go back to post 40 on pag. 2: that is my answer.
  • #64
  • Sep 23, 2015 11:26am Sep 23, 2015 11:26am
Quoting alexx90
{quote} What is the structure of market? What is the purpose of the indi below? What is the purpose of values on the indi? I don't need that answer because I know you have not any clue about what you are doing. Just try to answer and keep answers for yourself. If you can't find detailed answers then you are walking on the darkness. Light << >> Sound << >> Matter << >> Life << >> Thoughts << >> Numbers << >> Letters. I'm Italian and there is a saying "Every rout leads to Rome" << >> Everything is interconnected, there is not one thing without the...
actually, I'd put sound before light. In the beginning was the logos. the word. the sound. the vibration. I'd even put thoughts before matter. Thoughts indicate consciousness and consciousness collapses the wave function to create particles.. ie matter.

Interesting area of study is where do numbers come from. And where do letters come from. Most of the world uses the Phonetic alphabet. Meaning symbols to represent sounds. Geometry is the other way that sound can be visualized. Cymatics and what not. Very interesting is that the hebrew alphabet is not only phonetic but also vortextual. I just made up a word! Look up Stan Tenen and the Meru Project.
  • #65
  • Sep 23, 2015 11:31am Sep 23, 2015 11:31am
Quoting strongtrader
{quote} I've found a lot of similarities with the golf game; there is a beatiful film about, named "The legend of Bagger Vance". I saw it a long time ago and at that moment in time it meant me almost nothing; I saw it again 2 years ago and it meant me so much! Since then I see it again once every year and each time I still find something I was missing.
Yes. I haven't seen Bagger Vance or read the book, but I have read another book by that same guy... Stephen Pressfield. The War of Art. I'd put it at the top of your reading your list. Life changing.
  • #66
  • Sep 23, 2015 11:33am Sep 23, 2015 11:33am
Guys you are going out of my road.
Price moves only up and down, there are not unicorns such as Star Tetrahedron/Seed of Life and other forms.
Yes Tetrahedron and Torus are the expression of energy but they are not related to trading in the way I'm presenting.
A little piece to help:
At the very basic there is energy, there is vibration.
This vibration creates forms, lights/colors, sounds...
For example a vibration of 540 (casuale number) creates a shape, the same vibration makes a sound, the same vibration is reflected in light.
Do you see that ONE vibration is expressed via a lot of things?
If you ask me to calculate the vibration of red color I can calculate it via its sound or its shape. Everything is connected.
Letters and numbers are expressions of this vibration, your name vibrates at a given rate and this vibration resonates within you.
I better stop here.

Alex
  • #67
  • Sep 23, 2015 12:04pm Sep 23, 2015 12:04pm
Just a few things to get the neurons firing on how to apply multi-dimensional concepts to a 2D chart via geometry.

The power of circles and triangles
Before (nice entry, eh?): http://content.screencast.com/users/...61b/geo2_a.gif
after: http://content.screencast.com/users/...160/geo_2b.gif

Squares and Circles and the square root of 2 relationship
I can't find the before for this chart, but here's the after: http://content.screencast.com/users/...e9567/geo2.gif

Measuring unified price-time and adding the Z-axis
Before: http://content.screencast.com/users/...0Feb.%2004.gif
After: http://content.screencast.com/users/...0Feb.%2005.gif
  • #68
  • Sep 23, 2015 12:05pm Sep 23, 2015 12:05pm
Quoting JR97
{quote} Yes. I haven't seen Bagger Vance or read the book, but I have read another book by that same guy... Stephen Pressfield. The War of Art. I'd put it at the top of your reading your list. Life changing.
many thanks!! I will.
  • #69
  • Sep 23, 2015 4:26pm Sep 23, 2015 4:26pm
Quoting alexx90
Guys you are going out of my road. Price moves only up and down, there are not unicorns such as Star Tetrahedron/Seed of Life and other forms. Yes Tetrahedron and Torus are the expression of energy but they are not related to trading in the way I'm presenting. A little piece to help: At the very basic there is energy, there is vibration. This vibration creates forms, lights/colors, sounds... For example a vibration of 540 (casuale number) creates a shape, the same vibration makes a sound, the same vibration is reflected in light. Do you see that...
A vibration of energy.... So something that relates in the market that is found commonly in all living things. Something like a key or a number that can be used in a calculation, similar to that of a golden ratio?
  • #70
  • Sep 23, 2015 4:58pm Sep 23, 2015 4:58pm
Quoting Rexz
{quote} A vibration of energy.... So something that relates in the market that is found commonly in all living things. Something like a key or a number that can be used in a calculation, similar to that of a golden ratio?
Reading CP's post have made me think a lot the last couple of weeks. Stumbling upon this thread has also piqued my interest. I think we need to go deeper. Which is why im studying the the price's behavior. What is price? Candlestick? Renko bar? Line? Price is just price. To understand the market we need to examine the price, not candlesticks, not renko, not ranges bars, but price. Right now im studying changes in price. In terms of MT4 it would be a change in MarketInfo(). I have been storing all changes in MarketInfo() at the moment(been doing this for a couple of days now). Will post if i find anything useful.
Energy, frequency and vibration.
  • #71
  • Sep 23, 2015 5:10pm Sep 23, 2015 5:10pm
i hope CP might be reading this thread and he will post some valuable information as well here....
  • #72
  • Sep 23, 2015 6:06pm Sep 23, 2015 6:06pm
Quoting drammen
{quote} Reading CP's post have made me think a lot the last couple of weeks. Stumbling upon this thread has also piqued my interest. I think we need to go deeper. Which is why im studying the the price's behavior. What is price? Candlestick? Renko bar? Line? Price is just price. To understand the market we need to examine the price, not candlesticks, not renko, not ranges bars, but price. Right now im studying changes in price. In terms of MT4 it would be a change in MarketInfo(). I have been storing all changes in MarketInfo() at the moment(been...
I too have studied changes in price. I have looked at the time between changes in price to try and work out if the change in price relates or is measurable to the time it takes for price to change. I have plotted these on many charts and sub charts trying to find a common ground or something I can base momentum in the short term on, or "influx".

I will keep going though!
  • #73
  • Sep 23, 2015 6:47pm Sep 23, 2015 6:47pm
A little piece to help: At the very basic there is energy, there is vibration. This vibration creates forms, lights/colors, sounds... For example a vibration of 540 (casuale number) creates a shape, the same vibration makes a sound, the same vibration is reflected in light. Do you see that ONE vibration is expressed via a lot of things? If you ask me to calculate the vibration of red color I can calculate it via its sound or its shape. Everything is connected. Letters and numbers are expressions of this vibration, your name vibrates at a given rate and this vibration resonates within you. I better stop here. Alex[/quote]

Hi Alexx. In relation to the above, have you found that different currency pairs have their own unique vibration? Have you been able to measure this? Thanks
  • #74
  • Sep 24, 2015 3:01am Sep 24, 2015 3:01am
price moves up and down, but it does it through the space/time fabric.
The big matter is that time is not linear like we have been educated to think; time is related to space, space is related to motion, motion is energy, everything is connected; so time is not fixed neither is a constant.
You cannot grasp the logic behind all this till you do not learn to "think different".
W've been taught to think in a deterministic way, there is a cause that generates an effect: this is not true.
There is not at all certainty, nothing is black or white, everything can be the right but it can be also the left, what is a base is also a top, it is not what it is but what you think it is: you create your reality, you get what you think.... and this is trading, welcome in the world of possibilities.
  • #75
  • Sep 24, 2015 10:10am Sep 24, 2015 10:10am
Quoting strongtrader
price moves up and down, but it does it through the space/time fabric. The big matter is that time is not linear like we have been educated to think; time is related to space, space is related to motion, motion is energy, everything is connected; so time is not fixed neither is a constant. You cannot grasp the logic behind all this till you do not learn to "think different". W've been taught to think in a deterministic way, there is a cause that generates an effect: this is not true. There is not at all certainty, nothing is black or white, everything...
Yes! Finally someone who gets it.

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  • #76
  • Sep 24, 2015 10:35am Sep 24, 2015 10:35am
There's lots of pics of the torus in this thread. The torus holds a lot of keys. How do you show a torus in a 2D chart, though? Basic geometry. The conic sections. The parabola, hyperbola, ellipse, and circle (special case of the ellipse).

See my posts in this thread for trading applications: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=148796

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  • #77
  • Sep 24, 2015 10:40am Sep 24, 2015 10:40am
Quoting JR97
{quote} Yes! Finally someone who gets it. {image} {image}
Hi JR97 je t'adore your posts.
for you..some straight squiggles
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  • #78
  • Sep 24, 2015 10:45am Sep 24, 2015 10:45am
Quoting Rexz
{quote} I too have studied changes in price. I have looked at the time between changes in price to try and work out if the change in price relates or is measurable to the time it takes for price to change. I have plotted these on many charts and sub charts trying to find a common ground or something I can base momentum in the short term on, or "influx". I will keep going though!
What you're doing is the equivalent of trying to figure out the area of a square by measuring in inches on one side and centimeters on the other. You're working with two different measuring systems. Price and Time. As Einstein stated, space and time are the same.
  • #79
  • Sep 24, 2015 10:54am Sep 24, 2015 10:54am
Alexx90... enjoy your 1st SR buddy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_return) seems your layers are lifting early..
  • #80
  • Sep 24, 2015 11:24am Sep 24, 2015 11:24am
Quoting Squiggles
Alexx90... enjoy your 1st SR buddy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_return) seems your layers are lifting early..
Will I gain some extra powers?
Anyway since I've started my journey around ancient knowledge, sacred geometry, Gann, Pythagoras, physycs I've started to do something.
For example, I believe that being conscious of my nature such as vibration of date of birth, of name, alignment Planets when I was born...If I am conscious of these it seems that it gives to me extra power, if I am conscious of these concepts and how they affect me then they are activated.
I've read that the vibration of my name is very powerful, the first letter "A" has an important meaning if its the first letter of a name.
My date of birth that is 27 January 1990 has power inside because number 9 appears more times also 2+7=9
But who knows if this is all true
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