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  • #41
  • Sep 22, 2015 10:59am Sep 22, 2015 10:59am
I'm doing a profound research about ancient knowledge, energy, matter because I truly believe, I feel, that there is a mold/matrix behind everything and I will continue even if I will not find any solution.
A little proportion >> matter : energy = you : your-father
Before you there was your father, before matter there was energy. Even in absence of matter there is energy.
From previous post "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." ~ Ecclesiastes 1:9 >> "Before matter there was energy, there is energy, there will be energy; there is nothing new under the sun, everything is the expression of energy".
Energy comes first, matter is a consequence.
Matter has multiple forms, forms are expressions of energy.

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  • #42
  • Sep 22, 2015 12:24pm Sep 22, 2015 12:24pm
hi Alex, is there anything to do with trading with your above post, just curious to know :-)
  • #43
  • Sep 22, 2015 12:40pm Sep 22, 2015 12:40pm
price is a form of energy
As Above, So Below
  • #44
  • Sep 22, 2015 1:06pm Sep 22, 2015 1:06pm
Quoting tradeforlife
hi Alex, is there anything to do with trading with your above post, just curious to know :-)
You are not ready for the answer. When you will absorb these concepts you will see the answer.
  • #45
  • Sep 22, 2015 1:23pm Sep 22, 2015 1:23pm
Quoting alexx90
{quote} You are not ready for the answer. When you will absorb these concepts you will see the answer.
If you could explain some more then maybe i might be able to pick it up... sorry... i'm not that intelligent....
  • #46
  • Sep 22, 2015 1:32pm Sep 22, 2015 1:32pm
Its my birthday today ,happy birthday william.

for some strange reason it repeats its self on this 22 nd day of the 9 th month of every year.i have never understood this .....but still im told its my birthday today.

what else adheres to such unconfirmed rules.

anyways happy birthday william.......
  • #47
  • Sep 22, 2015 1:43pm Sep 22, 2015 1:43pm
If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.
~ Nikola Tesla

Everything has to do with trading, nothing has to do with trading.

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"..and if you don't love it you gonna fail.." ~ Steve Jobs

I used to watch this video one time a day, then I shifted to one time a week. Everytime I feel I'm loosing my path I see this video.

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If you want to learn trading to make money I can guarantee you will never succeed, you will learn trading when you will avoid trading.
  • #48
  • Sep 22, 2015 1:47pm Sep 22, 2015 1:47pm
I've been doing this shit for years. Unify price and time the same as space and time. To get a forecast of probable future waves, explode the particle (price). Basically "uncollapse" the particle to possible waves. Learn up on the wave/particle double slit experiment if you're not familiar.

Also realize that a price chart is a 2 dimensional representation of a multidimensional phenomena. Time isn't linear and, according to the special law of relativity, isn't even fixed. Yet that's how we monitor price on a chart. Variable price but fixed time.

Shit can get complicated but it's unnecessary. Once you can wrap your head around unified price-time, found infinities, etc, you'll see how it can all be simplified. Gann does it with geometry, square of nine, etc. You don't even need to do that. Basic pivot points can give you the price, then equate to time to come up something to give you time and unify and then you can start picking out projected points in price AND time in the future. Or if you're real clever, plot out possible projection waves.

Check out my old journal if you want to see some of the shit in action. It's in the journal section under Cycle Trading.
  • #49
  • Sep 22, 2015 1:49pm Sep 22, 2015 1:49pm
Quoting diceman555
Its my birthday today ,happy birthday william. for some strange reason it repeats its self on this 22 nd day of the 9 th month of every year.i have never understood this .....but still im told its my birthday today. what else adheres to such unconfirmed rules. anyways happy birthday william.......
Happy birthday diceman.
Science teaches 'that an original impulse of any kind finally resolves itself into periodic or rhythmical motion,' also 'just as the pendulum returns again in its swing, just as the moon returns in its orbit, just as the advancing year ever brings the rose of spring, so do the properties of the elements periodically recur as the weight of the atoms rises'.
~ William D. Gann
  • #50
  • Sep 22, 2015 1:58pm Sep 22, 2015 1:58pm
Quoting JR97
I've been doing this shit for years. Unify price and time the same as space and time. To get a forecast of probable future waves, explode the particle (price). Basically "uncollapse" the particle to possible waves. Learn up on the wave/particle double slit experiment if you're not familiar. Also realize that a price chart is a 2 dimensional representation of a multidimensional phenomena. Time isn't linear and, according to the special law of relativity, isn't even fixed. Yet that's how we monitor price on a chart. Variable price but fixed time....

Yep totally agree with every word,every wave on every set can be identified,

you dont have to know the reason ,just the fact that it happens.......
  • #51
  • Sep 22, 2015 2:03pm Sep 22, 2015 2:03pm
Quoting JR97
I've been doing this shit for years. Unify price and time the same as space and time. To get a forecast of probable future waves, explode the particle (price). Basically "uncollapse" the particle to possible waves. Learn up on the wave/particle double slit experiment if you're not familiar. Also realize that a price chart is a 2 dimensional representation of a multidimensional phenomena. Time isn't linear and, according to the special law of relativity, isn't even fixed. Yet that's how we monitor price on a chart. Variable price but fixed time....
When you deal with time you do a prediction, why would you do a prediction?
Let's say that when you wake up in the morning you have two choices, have breakfast or go work.
Why should I do a determined prediction if I'm dealing with a predetermined event? (have breakfast or go work)
You have a predetermined outcome, all I need to do, in order to have an advantage, is to follow what you will do.
  • #52
  • Sep 22, 2015 2:03pm Sep 22, 2015 2:03pm
Quoting alexx90
{quote} Happy birthday diceman. Science teaches 'that an original impulse of any kind finally resolves itself into periodic or rhythmical motion,' also 'just as the pendulum returns again in its swing, just as the moon returns in its orbit, just as the advancing year ever brings the rose of spring, so do the properties of the elements periodically recur as the weight of the atoms rises'. ~ William D. Gann
Thank you alex,

My mother always celerbrated my birthaday on the 21 st or the 23rd ,as a child i was confused.she taught me about drift,allbeit through economics
  • #53
  • Sep 22, 2015 2:40pm Sep 22, 2015 2:40pm
Quoting alexx90
{quote} When you deal with time you do a prediction, why would you do a prediction? Let's say that when you wake up in the morning you have two choices, have breakfast or go work. Why should I do a determined prediction if I'm dealing with a predetermined event? (have breakfast or go work) You have a predetermined outcome, all I need to do, in order to have an advantage, is to follow what you will do.
Predeterministic <> Predetermined. Even if the probability of a predeterministic wave is 99.9999999% there's still that snowball chance in hell the .0000000001% happens.

But hey, if you have figured out predetermined, then kudos to you.

Look up the quantum eraser experiment.
  • #54
  • Sep 22, 2015 2:54pm Sep 22, 2015 2:54pm
by the way, I'm on board with all of the ideas/theories presented in this thread. As stated, I've been researching this shit for years. It's great that so much of it is easier to access via youtube and what not instead of out of books and trying to visualize things that very difficult to visualize off the printed page.

If you really want to wet your noodle, watch the "Imagining the 10th Dimension" video series. Dimensions 1 - 10 and also Zeroth dimension. "Athene's Theory of Everything" is good food for thought as well.

Don't forget Nassim Haramein and Marko Rodin.

My end conclusion... you don't need any of it to trade successfully. But it's cool that the laws of the universe can be applied to a price chart.
  • #55
  • Sep 22, 2015 5:06pm Sep 22, 2015 5:06pm
Quoting diceman555
{quote} Yep totally agree with every word,every wave on every set can be identified, you dont have to know the reason ,just the fact that it happens.......
Yup. Chasing the reason isn't necessary for profitable trading if you can find a consistent way to view and measure the effects. Ironically, the more and more I've dived down the rabbit hole, the less and less I've become interested in the trading applications. Which is why I took the dive in the first place. Even though I can plot the probable wave pattern structure of price, I find myself trading naked more often than not. Higher highs Higher lows. Lower highs Lower lows. Fall into the present wave and go versus trying to measure and plot the wave based on blah blah blah blah and plotting laggy indicators etc.
  • #56
  • Sep 22, 2015 6:02pm Sep 22, 2015 6:02pm
Mmmmmmmhhh. Were David Bohm or John Wheeler good traders????? They were certainly excellent interpreters of our universe and David Bohm was an excellent interpreter of the human mind, but by having this knowledge, does this make you a better trader? How do you apply it? What is the practical application to make you a better trader. It might make you more humble, or accepting, which IMO is a good thing but I have a feeling that contrary to the intent of this thread it may actually promote 'ego' which we all know is going to end in tears. Where David Bohm differed from a 'guru' was that he categorically demonstrated how to apply this mind bending holistic viewpoint in his interpretation of Quantum Mechanics. The same way that Einstein demonstrated how to practically apply the notion of general covariance through the special and general theories of relativity.

Before we get too spiritual about this, let's put our ego's in check. The markets are a human equation, and riddled with human bias. Yes, we are just a subset of this universe with a very limited point of view..... so yes, our predictions will certainly be based on uncertainty. As soon as we 'think' we know it all, such as 'all things being ephemeral or passing and nothing being enduring' this is just elevating ourselves to that of gods which is a typical human trait. Accept the fact that we are just a party of this universe and as 'important' as a wave on the sea. As participants of this universe we have a very limited vantage and hence an inability to directly control it.......so.........here it comes...........FOLLOW THE GODDAM TREND!!!!!!!!!!......Ok....pass the hash pipe......*elevates*....BE THE WATER MY FRIENDS
  • #57
  • Sep 22, 2015 6:16pm Sep 22, 2015 6:16pm
Quoting Copernicus
Accept the fact that we are just a party of this universe and as 'important' as a wave on the sea. As participants of this universe we have a very limited vantage and hence an inability to directly control it.......so.........here it comes...........FOLLOW THE GODDAM TREND!!!!!!!!!!......Ok....pass the hash pipe......*elevates*....BE THE WATER MY FRIENDS
Exactly. I say that a lot to people hitting me up for "secrets". Hence why I also haven't posted in my journal for ages. None of my tricks are needed for profitable trading. Trade the trend. Have winners bigger than losers by at least 2:1. Then work on having more of those winners.

If you really want to go deep, it requires more than leaving the ego at the door. It requires a shedding of the ego. Enlightenment isn't an attainment process. It's a shedding process. If you really want elevate, instead of hash, try 5-me0 DMT. gawdamb....
  • #58
  • Sep 22, 2015 6:21pm Sep 22, 2015 6:21pm
Quoting JR97
{quote} Exactly. I say that a lot to people hitting me up for "secrets".

It can be very profitable.....those secrets.....and can get you a red ferrari... It may be a good way to diversify your income stream ./tic

Quoting JR97
{quote} Hence why I also haven't posted in my journal for ages. None of my tricks are needed for profitable trading. Trade the trend. Have winners bigger than losers by at least 2:1. Then work on having more of those winners. If you really want to go deep, it requires more than leaving the ego at the door. It requires a shedding of the ego. Enlightenment isn't an attainment process. It's a shedding process. If you really want elevate, instead of hash, try 5-me0 DMT. gawdamb....



PS (Not directed at you JR97) I enjoy this thread and don't want to stilt conversation....but would suggest that if we post an enlightened statement....please at least attempt to explain it so others can appreciate it. Answers to riddles are a way to expedite the process and I am not sure that simply to leave it hanging helps out those who are unsure whether to pursue the idea or not. It is very easy for a teacher to explain something to their audience and then let them decide whether to accept it. We are after all masters of our own destiny.
  • #59
  • Sep 22, 2015 6:29pm Sep 22, 2015 6:29pm
Quoting alexx90
This post will start with a lot of questions, is there a better way to awake minds? What if everything is energy, what if everything is in a state of constant vibration? What if matter is a consequence of this vibration? Let's jump to the train and go back in time, what if at the beginning there was order and then chaos started to appear here and there? Can you imagine the light turning on and off so like order turning on and off? I can see this whole world as a war between order and chaos. It's like a big flame that gave the start to everything...
What leads you to believe that the market is an objective dimension with a defined structure?
The road to pipland is arduous and fraught with challenge.
  • #60
  • Sep 22, 2015 11:47pm Sep 22, 2015 11:47pm
simple structure of market,

does it always right??...... NO
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