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  • #981
  • Aug 13, 2015 8:08am Aug 13, 2015 8:08am
Quoting vvFish
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Well done, vvFish. I was right in the direction as the currency strength clearly displays, but cannot beat your entry points; mine was at much higher price. Practice, practice, practice... Good night. toppo
  • #982
  • Aug 13, 2015 8:26am Aug 13, 2015 8:26am
Quoting kprsa
{quote} I am not buying anything. If you want to provide evidence for your hypothesis that this is crap, then you need to point out to an event where he took the trade opposite to what his indicators told him just prior to the news event, i.e. to an inconsistency. Whether you like it or not, this was not such an event - his strategy was in this example consistently executed. k
Hi kprsa, I saw a pair of inconsistencies (see my posts), and I did not receive a clear answer why hi took these opposite trades. My analysis was based on the strategy of the original thread. I would like to believe, really I am looking for a method to catch what the big players are doing just before the news, but I'm not sure about vvFish strategy because there is not a clear explanation about all considerations to make a direction decision of the trade just few seconds before the news.

Best wishes
  • #983
  • Aug 13, 2015 8:47am Aug 13, 2015 8:47am
Maybe he's your buddy, no worries. Only a matter of time before the poster in question ends up in the commercial section. They all slip up eventually.

Quoting kprsa
{quote} I am not buying anything. If you want to provide evidence for your hypothesis that this is crap, then you need to point out to an event where he took the trade opposite to what his indicators told him just prior to the news event, i.e. to an inconsistency. Whether you like it or not, this was not such an event - his strategy was in this example consistently executed. k
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  • #984
  • Aug 13, 2015 8:50am Aug 13, 2015 8:50am
Quoting federicoo
{quote} Hi kprsa, I saw a pair of inconsistencies (see my posts), and I did not receive a clear answer why hi took these opposite trades. My analysis was based on the strategy of the original thread. I would like to believe, really I am looking for a method to catch what the big players are doing just before the news, but I'm not sure about vvFish strategy because there is not a clear explanation about all considerations to make a direction decision of the trade just few seconds before the news. Best wishes
If you are referring to this post, I think that the trade on the video was consistently executed - the price was below the kumo, the oscillator shows selling, and the currency strength shows that the dollar is stronger than the euro in the last several minutes. So it all points to large hands selling several minutes prior to the news, which I guess is the premise behind the strategy. You notice correctly that the euro is rounding to go up. I guess the trade not going the correct direction sufficiently convincingly together with this fact made him exit at b/e... I guess the best thing to try to understand this is to simply trade it for a while in demo, or better yet on a cent account. There is no indicator that will replace the screen experience, and practice should best convince you about the possible merit of a strategy you are looking at.

k
  • #985
  • Aug 13, 2015 8:58am Aug 13, 2015 8:58am
The price is below the Kumo... the oscillator , price is rounding up..... Jesus Christmas... I almost fell off my chair. I luv ya kprsa... you made my day.

Farewell and adieu unto you Spanish ladies..... Farewell and adieu to you ladies of Spain

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Quoting kprsa
{quote} If you are referring to this post, I think that the trade on the video was consistently executed - the price was below the kumo, the oscillator shows selling, and the currency strength shows that the dollar is stronger than the euro in the last several minutes. So it all points to large hands selling several minutes prior to the news, which I guess is the premise behind the strategy. You notice correctly that the euro is rounding to go up. I guess the trade not...
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  • #986
  • Aug 13, 2015 9:03am Aug 13, 2015 9:03am
Quoting federicoo
{quote} Sorry, I don't understand... so you are using some other tool that is not installed in your MT4 terminal... no problem, I will continue my research. The only method I knew to enter the market at that moment is using autoclick sw like FxNewsKiller, SNW, FNG... Cheers!
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  • #987
  • Aug 13, 2015 9:06am Aug 13, 2015 9:06am
Quoting JoeNY
Only a matter of time before the poster in question ends up in the commercial section. They all slip up eventually. {quote}
If this is what you are trying to prove, then you need to display some PMs from the guy in which he is trying to solicit your money.

Quoting JoeNY
Maybe he's your buddy{quote}
Nope.

k
  • #988
  • Aug 13, 2015 9:08am Aug 13, 2015 9:08am
Quoting kprsa
{quote} If you are referring to this post, I think that the trade on the video was consistently executed - the price was below the kumo, the oscillator shows selling, and the currency strength shows that the dollar is stronger than the euro in the last several minutes. So it all points to large hands selling several minutes prior to the news, which I guess is the premise behind the strategy. You notice correctly that the euro is rounding to go up. I guess the trade not...
When we are talking about news trading (spike trading), the orders that make jump the price are entered just few seconds before the release. That is what big players do, because even having information much before the event, they can not enter these orders many minutes before this for obvious reasons. So, as the owner of the original thread did, we should track previous little minutes, specially the last minute before the release, and focus on the slope of the strength over the last minute, that's when big lots are entering the market.
  • #989
  • Aug 13, 2015 9:15am Aug 13, 2015 9:15am
Quoting JoeNY
The price is below the Kumo... the oscillator , price is rounding up..... Jesus Christmas... I almost fell off my chair. I luv ya kprsa... you made my day.{quote}
I have not invented this strategy, but I find it clear what the trading decisions are made upon.
If you do not (as it is apparent from this post), why do you claim anything about the strategy and even imply that the trading decisions are fake?

k
  • #990
  • Aug 13, 2015 9:27am Aug 13, 2015 9:27am
Quoting federicoo
{quote} When we are talking about news trading (spike trading), the orders that make jump the price are entered just few seconds before the release. That is what big players do, because even having information much before the event, they can not enter these orders many minutes before this for obvious reasons. So, as the owner of the original thread did, we should track previous little minutes, specially the last minute before the release, and focus on the slope of the strength over the last minute, that's when big lots are entering the market.
I would think it would depend on how many participants have access to the said information beforehand. If there would be just some (say, one big bank), they could gradually sell, say, tens of millions some minutes before the event in all of the euro pairs (for example) which would make the price of E/U drift down a bit, consistent with the signal you see, and consistent with the readout on the indicators. Once the entire market gets hold of the information, it would very quickly process it by sending the price into the ground.

k
  • #991
  • Aug 13, 2015 9:34am Aug 13, 2015 9:34am
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  • #992
  • Aug 13, 2015 9:35am Aug 13, 2015 9:35am
Quoting kprsa
{quote} I have not invented this strategy, but I find it clear what the trading decisions are made upon. If you do not (as it is apparent from this post), why do you claim anything about the strategy and even imply that the trading decisions are fake? k
once awhile i will drop by this thread to see when it will ends being the truth being told. before this thread it all started here
---> http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=493948

here using a CC indicator which ends up inconsistence even few mins before a news was release.
the thread has died of with its results and only vfish still going strong. salutes for your continuos posting be it fake or real.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...493948&page=80

what could i say more? you rocks vfish for holding so long

till then i will be back ")
trade safe
  • #993
  • Aug 13, 2015 9:36am Aug 13, 2015 9:36am
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  • #994
  • Aug 13, 2015 9:43am Aug 13, 2015 9:43am
Quoting vvFish
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vvFish, what's your wheelbarrel setting for gas and oil? Thanks, toppo
  • #995
  • Aug 13, 2015 9:48am Aug 13, 2015 9:48am
It's all good, no worries. I can't play anymore...., I have to place a 50 lot order because price is rounding Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny is crossing and the Tooth Fairy is oversold.

Quoting kprsa
{quote} I have not invented this strategy, but I find it clear what the trading decisions are made upon. If you do not (as it is apparent from this post), why do you claim anything about the strategy and even imply that the trading decisions are fake? k
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  • #996
  • Aug 13, 2015 10:06am Aug 13, 2015 10:06am
Quoting zz_zhang
{quote} here using a CC indicator which ends up inconsistence even few mins before a news was release.
The only problematic thing I see here is price above kumo at the time of entry. (I guess the strategy would wait until price breaks below the kumo. I would have entered here earlier, since this is a typical London open price action.) The selloff of the pound started at around 8:35. You need to understand how oscillators such as CC work, and particularly divergences that happen when they encounter price cycles inconsistent with their period.

k
  • #997
  • Aug 13, 2015 10:07am Aug 13, 2015 10:07am
Quoting toppo qqq
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It's beautiful, my friend.
Only the price on the chart can show the entrance to the deal...
  • #998
  • Aug 13, 2015 10:24am Aug 13, 2015 10:24am
Quoting kprsa
{quote} I would think it would depend on how many participants have access to the said information beforehand. If there would be just some (say, one big bank), they could gradually sell, say, tens of millions some minutes before the event in all of the euro pairs (for example) which would make the price of E/U drift down a bit, consistent with the signal you see, and consistent with the readout on the indicators. Once the entire market gets hold of the information, it would very quickly process it by sending the price into the ground. k
"the price was below the kumo, the oscillator shows selling, and the currency strength shows that the dollar is stronger than the euro in the last several minutes"

There are a lot of examples where the new spike goes through the kumo, so the PA is on the opposite side of the cloud few bars before the event, or other indis just cross each others ate that moment and vvFish take the trade. In news spike trading there are a lot of examples where the very low term trend and all indis point to one specific direction just few bars before the release and then jump to the opposite when the big players make they game just seconds before the event release. Nonetheless, vvFish almost ever is in the correct side of the movement. If there is all real, we have a very talented trader here, who can see beyond the indicators in each particular situation with almost 100% success rate. If we were a little skeptical about this, we should wonder:

1) Why he is using a demo account? It is obvious that this is not a real account, first because the little slippage and filled of his orders, second because when we send 50 lots to a low liquidity pair as USDSEK, the order fills in lower lots fractions to get the total lots. On the other hand, when a trader have a successful rate like this trading news, the broker banner him and starting the more extreme tricks to make he lose.

2) Why vvFish do not explain clearly the fundamentals of his strategy, as did Vivosky here, ie: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=493948 , let us know the strong bases of his decision making? May be he simply don't want to give the key information, which I respect because there is not any obligation to do that.

3) Why vvFish send us a previous information about the news events with information that he do not use at all for the trade decision?

4) Thinking about JoeNY post, could vvFish explain us why he ever have an additional background 1m chart with the same pair? It is part of the strategy? what for? he use this any way?

I repeat, I would desire that his operative was real, because he could be a good inspiration for whom believe that spike trading would be a good consistent style of trading, but I need some more things that the picture vvFish post after each trade.

BR
  • #999
  • Aug 13, 2015 10:46am Aug 13, 2015 10:46am
I suspect that you want me to answer this, since you are quoting my post.

Quoting federicoo
{quote}There are a lot of examples where the new spike goes through the kumo, so the PA is on the opposite side of the cloud few bars before the event, or other indis just cross each others ate that moment and vvFish take the trade.
Please provide those examples. I cannot discuss something that I have not seen. Please make sure you do understand what CC is telling you and how it works.

Quoting federicoo
{quote} In news spike trading there are a lot of examples where the very low term trend and all indis point to one specific direction just few bars before the release and then jump to the opposite when the big players make they game just seconds before the event release. Nonetheless, vvFish almost ever is in the correct side of the movement.
Again, please provide these examples - since there are so many, it should be easy.

Quoting federicoo
{quote} 1) Why he is using a demo account? It is obvious that this is not a real account, first because the little slippage and filled of his orders, second because when we send 50 lots to a low liquidity pair as USDSEK, the order fills in lower lots fractions to get the total lots.
It is far from obvious that this is a demo. And it is not clear to me that you have proven otherwise. And even if he is, perhaps he is just practicing? Is that illegal or something?

Quoting federicoo
{quote}On the other hand, when a trader have a successful rate like this trading news, the broker banner him and starting the more extreme tricks to make he lose.
That probably depends more on the broker. But reputable brokers do not do tricks with the price. If they did, one could arbitrage the difference between different brokers.

Quoting federicoo
{quote}2) Why vvFish do not explain clearly the fundamentals of his strategy, as did Vivosky here, ie: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=493948 , let us know the strong bases of his decision making? May be he simply don't want to give the key information, which I respect because there is not any obligation to do that.
Indeed. So what is your point?

Quoting federicoo
{quote}3) Why vvFish send us a previous information about the news events with information that he do not use at all for the trade decision?
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Quoting federicoo
{quote}4) Thinking about JoeNY post, could vvFish explain us why he ever have an additional background 1m chart with the same pair? It is part of the strategy? what for? he use this any way?
Why not?

Quoting federicoo
{quote}I need some more things that the picture vvFish post after each trade. BR
Great. How about you simply try out the strategy and see if it suits you and then move on to the next one if it doesn't?

Cheers.

k
  • #1,000
  • Aug 13, 2015 11:17am Aug 13, 2015 11:17am
Quoting toppo qqq
{quote} vvFish, what's your wheelbarrel setting for gas and oil? Thanks, toppo
On the pages of forum FF freely available there are several indicators that can show the precise entry for any instrument. You just have to find these parameters. When I set out to enter the market market order I reviewed almost all topics of free trade and to find what I need. I have never and no one from the beginning and the continuation of an old theme of the topic did not speak and did not write about that-be only used my system or my performance. If it would be so simple, we would have ruined all brokers. Everyone should find yourself a figure for trade on the news.
Sincerely, vvFish
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