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Dell XPS13 - any other PC recommendations

  • #1
  • First Post: Aug 7, 2015 11:10am Aug 7, 2015 11:10am
x I've given up using macs for metatrader. Particularly with renko charts. So I am looking to get a new laptop and I fancy the dell xps13 with 8gb ram. Anyone else trading with this

max
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  • #2
  • Aug 7, 2015 11:23am Aug 7, 2015 11:23am
If you are fan about offline charts (ie. Renko), I would suggest at least 16GB ram ...
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  • #3
  • Aug 7, 2015 12:28pm Aug 7, 2015 12:28pm
Quoting FerruFx
If you are fan about offline charts (ie. Renko), I would suggest at least 16GB ram ...
lol thats a bit of an overkill.
i used to have renko on a 2 gig runing fine, that was few years ago
i lose money for a living
  • #4
  • Aug 7, 2015 1:43pm Aug 7, 2015 1:43pm
Actually I agree with the 16 gb but I was hoping that with a native windows laptop the memory usage would be less. With the macbook pro it certainly used most of my 16gb



Quoting FerruFx
If you are fan about offline charts (ie. Renko), I would suggest at least 16GB ram ...
Gravity goes both ways in forex...
  • #5
  • Edited 1:55pm Aug 7, 2015 1:43pm | Edited 1:55pm
Quoting FerruFx
If you are fan about offline charts (ie. Renko), I would suggest at least 16GB ram ...
Quoting max pips
Actually I agree with the 16 gb but I was hoping that with a native windows laptop the memory usage would be less. With the macbook pro it certainly used most of my 16gb {quote}
Happy to be corrected if I've missed a later update: since Build 427, the 2GB memory limit on MT4 was upped to 3GB (32-bit) and 4GB (64-bit).

You can compare
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For what it's worth, my mediocre netbook with 8GB runs multiple terminals with multiple offline charts OK.
  • #6
  • Aug 7, 2015 1:53pm Aug 7, 2015 1:53pm
Quoting max pips
x I've given up using macs for metatrader. Particularly with renko charts. So I am looking to get a new laptop and I fancy the dell xps13 with 8gb ram. Anyone else trading with this max
Curious, what you were running MT on, A VM or Wine? I run it on Wine + WineSkin. It's in a self-contained in an OS X .app package. Works pretty well.
  • #7
  • Aug 7, 2015 2:12pm Aug 7, 2015 2:12pm
It is on wine. I think the Renko charts cause a lot of damage. I've managed with the mac for years but lately, it seems to be causing more fuss. Since my laptop is mostly for metatrader I figure I better get one that is designed for the job
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  • #8
  • Aug 7, 2015 4:35pm Aug 7, 2015 4:35pm
Hi Andrew,
Interesting that you say you are running multiple offline charts - I have used several renko indicators but not found one that does not 'freeze' MT4.
Any suggestions?
George
  • #9
  • Aug 7, 2015 4:44pm Aug 7, 2015 4:44pm
Please anyone correct me if I'm wrong but offline charts work by writing the data to a file which MT4 then displays, right? If that is the case I would recommend to look at a device with a SSD.
However, even if I'm wrong regarding the offline charts, going SSD may make sense anyway as there is a lot of IO access by windows (and other software) anyway which slows down the entire machine.

Quoting honestknave
{quote} {quote} Happy to be corrected if I've missed a later update: since Build 427, the 2GB memory limit on MT4 was upped to 3GB (32-bit) and 4GB (64-bit).
Please keep in mind that 64bit applications will need more memory in general.

Anyone an idea regarding multi-core? Does MT4 scale over multiple cores (maybe using one core per chart or so). If it does it might be useful to know how many charts the topic starter wants to open in parallel.
  • #10
  • Aug 7, 2015 6:45pm Aug 7, 2015 6:45pm
Quoting JensG
PAnyone an idea regarding multi-core? Does MT4 scale over multiple cores (maybe using one core per chart or so). If it does it might be useful to know how many charts the topic starter wants to open in parallel.
If I am not mistaken, MT4 uses 1 core. That's why it is better to open multiple platforms and splitting the opened charts instead of a single platform with all your charts.

And with Renko (or offline in general), that's important to understand that the more bars in history, the more slow will be the platform.
MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
  • #11
  • Aug 7, 2015 8:33pm Aug 7, 2015 8:33pm
Quoting max pips
x I've given up using macs for metatrader. Particularly with renko charts. So I am looking to get a new laptop and I fancy the dell xps13 with 8gb ram. Anyone else trading with this max
I have an old Lenovo W510 with windows 7 ultimate, upgraded to maximum 12 gb ram, I love this laptop,
it works great for trading and even play the most modern games. Lenovo is the successor to the old trusty IBM's
the graphic card is a quad core for cad applications, but it also works for games it that would interest you at all?
anyway the Lenovos are machines built like tanks, they will last you a very long time,
they are not for the general crowd but more for the professional office worker.
I don't know if they sell this model any more, but if not, you should be able to pick a refurnished one quite cheap,
the problems with the most laptops is that they usually have crappy graphics cards, unless they are aimed for the crowd,
and those are usually not reliable, they will brake after some time. I hear Dell is good but they build both kinds tho.
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  • #12
  • Aug 8, 2015 2:14am Aug 8, 2015 2:14am
Quoting 2george
Hi Andrew, Interesting that you say you are running multiple offline charts - I have used several renko indicators but not found one that does not 'freeze' MT4. Any suggestions? George
Hello George. Take a look at ovo's work. He offers a free trial, but ultimately you will need to pay for his software if you like it.
Personally, I have no problems running multiple offline charts with his software.
  • #13
  • Last Post: Edited 2:29am Aug 8, 2015 2:16am | Edited 2:29am
Quoting JensG
Anyone an idea regarding multi-core? Does MT4 scale over multiple cores (maybe using one core per chart or so). If it does it might be useful to know how many charts the topic starter wants to open in parallel.
The most detailed explanation I've come across is a little outdated now, so may no longer be relevant:
Quoting jjc on MQL4
"Does Meta Trader 4 support DUAL, QUAD or more CORES processors?"
The long answer is complex, but the best short answer is no. The only processor-intensive part of MT4 in normal usage is the strategy tester, and that is single-threaded and will not take advantage of multiple cores.
Processing of the start() function in EAs is done in per-EA threads, and should scale out nicely across multiple cores. (However, MT4's trading operations are single-threaded. Multiple EAs can run at the same time in terms of having their start() function called, but cannot trade at the same time. See https://www.mql5.com/en/articles/1412)
Processing of indicators is done in a single thread per chart (I think). Therefore, complex indicator calculations on multiple charts will be spread across multiple cores, but complex calculations from multiple indicators on the same chart will not see a performance gain from multiple cores.
In more recent terms, it would seem that backtesting is still single core:
Quoting angevoyageur on MQL4 (2014)
Backtesting with MT4 only use 1 core.
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