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  • #1,005,741
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:02pm Jun 29, 2015 5:02pm
Quoting sakisf
{quote} That's what I meant. European i.e. international court decisions would not be possible to be implemented after a Grexit. Unless they bring their cannons and airplanes. btw http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...ck-Grexit.html And just to understand what is going on the last 5 months and why no deal was struck: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/1...mate-goal.html
Ok, read the first link, and I agree with what is said in that, Greece Gov can sue the Eurogroup for the actions taken this week end. I can help you to write the petition if you want, because there is more than what is said in this article. We saw this WE blatant violation of the EU rules. But nowhere in the article is said that exiting eurozone will lead ipso facto to exit European union and euorpean council.
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  • #1,005,742
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:05pm Jun 29, 2015 5:05pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} for Putin to pull a ship in port they may need to quit nato..oh shit talk about costing emu some money
putin has pulled a few ships in the port of alexandroupolis many times the past few months... we are still in NATO...i guess lol
  • #1,005,743
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:05pm Jun 29, 2015 5:05pm
Quoting sakisf
{quote} According to EU treaties, for Greece to leave EZ it would have to quit from EU first. (there are no provisions for a member to leave EZ, so it can be only done by leaving EU altogether)
I don't know from where you got this, but this information is incorrect.
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  • #1,005,744
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:07pm Jun 29, 2015 5:07pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} Ok, read the first link, and I agree with what is said in that, Greece Gov can sue the Eurogroup for the actions taken this week end. I can help you to write the petition if you want, because there is more than what is said in this article. We saw this WE blatant violation of the EU rules. But nowhere in the article is said that exiting eurozone will lead ipso facto to exit European union and euorpean council.
As I said there is no provision in EU laws for a member leaving EZ (except for UK -if they ever join & Denmark). The only way out - Grexit - would be an exit from EU.

More here: http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/op...leave-the-euro
  • #1,005,745
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:07pm Jun 29, 2015 5:07pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} almost like a few countries spending more than they take in joining the emu. like the ecb funding them to pay interest payments because of declining revenue and rising spending. next we will see a 500 year bond...
I'm sure that Government Sachs boy's are working on it
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  • #1,005,746
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:08pm Jun 29, 2015 5:08pm
Quoting sakisf
{quote} According to EU treaties, for Greece to leave EZ it would have to quit from EU first. (there are no provisions for a member to leave EZ, so it can be only done by leaving EU altogether)
I don't think leaving the EU is remotly on the cards. The most probable scenario for the EZ with a default (and prolly the current government losing the referendum) is putting Greece in the "freezer" as a "second class" member in the EZ until they decide to turn things around.

What it means is, transforming/linking part of the debt and some of the public spending to bureaucrats in a temporary pseudo paper/bond "quasi currency" ("a l'argentine") to have a double standard. One official Euro (to keep the country afloat and part of the EZ) and some internal worthless and devalued "paper"/linked bonds for some of the internal consumption (especially for pensions and paying bureaucrats) which will serve as short term stabiliser until some kind of structural reforms take place ....

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  • #1,005,747
  • Edited 5:23pm Jun 29, 2015 5:09pm | Edited 5:23pm
Quoting Dano12
Bloomberg Tags currency, world Quotations euro, franc FxPro platform, Mayzus, Alpari and American FXCM, enabling individual investors to trade currencies, are among those that have implemented restrictions on Sunday, involving, among others, the higher requirements of holding on account of cash transactions to the euro leveraged or even block the possibility of opening new speculative positions.
Hi Dano,

While I can't speak for other brokers, FXCM has implemented no such trading restrictions. Our clients continue to place orders as before.

Just to clarify, the new margin requirements for FXCM that went in effect this past weekend are not a reduction in leverage. They are simply accounting for the changes in exchange rates between the base currency of the pair you are trading and the currency in which your account is denominated.

For example, if you're trading EUR/USD in a USD-denominated trading account, then your margin requirement per 1k micro lot has gone from $12 up to $13 on an FXCM UK account. By contrast, the margin requirement on a micro lot of NZD/USD has gone from $9 down to $8. That's because the Euro has gone up in value relative to the US dollar, while the New Zealand dollar has gone down.
  • #1,005,748
  • Edited 5:51pm Jun 29, 2015 5:10pm | Edited 5:51pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} above my pay grade. its fucked either way. its why we have wars. when in a impasse we got to war, revolution whatever.
i don't see wars...i see only 5% WINNERS, 20 to 40% full of RAGERS (CHEATERS TIMEWASTERS CRIMINALS ETC...), and the last 55% to 75% are pure LOOSERS who don't give a fuck...THIS IS THE REAL THE ONE STATISTIC as old as the world!!!... this is the only thing that had never changed over the ages, AND MAY NEVER CHANGE, whatever happens... we all deal with it since we are born, we will keep dealing with it all of our life, and this will continue after we die, till the world ends...
when the loosers gets deeper, some may try to switch on the RAGE side... when the Rage meter is higher than norm we can get easily wars revolutions, crisis injustice etc... depend on their dreams, mentality etc... This is reckless world afterall, but keep in mind this: wars? revolutions? it has never changed anything about THE BASE OF THE REAL THE ONLY ONE STATISTIC... You know the real problem now! the world has never changed!! It has never evolued, the actual human age is STILL A PRIMITIVE AGE! based on fossil energies... one day it will turn off, as well as the majority of the humanity( the 95%)... good luck! bye...
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  • #1,005,749
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:14pm Jun 29, 2015 5:14pm
Quoting edyraper
{quote} Pull back level ? {image}
good one.. last week 1285 was missed. i missed a reload s. i think i will wait.. i am short.. i just dont have a full boat.
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  • #1,005,750
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:14pm Jun 29, 2015 5:14pm
Quoting sisse
{quote} I don't think leaving the EU is remotly on the cards. The most probable scenario for the EZ with a default (and prolly the current government losing the referendum) is putting Greece in the "freezer" as a "second class" member in the EZ until they decide to turn things around. What it means is, transforming/linking part of the debt and some of the public spending to bureaucrats in a temporary pseudo paper/bond "quasi currency" ("a l'argentine") to have a double standard. One official Euro (to keep the country afloat and part of the EZ) and...
i sense the same thing... i just dont believe a different "kind" of currency will take place (i see it more or less impossible to happen)

lets face it we are not the United States of Europe... and we are not going to be the "california" of the US of A...

i dont know if what you (and I more or less) believe is going to happen what i see is that we are in the middle of "interesting times"
  • #1,005,751
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:15pm Jun 29, 2015 5:15pm
Quoting Ken A
No short 1.127x?
I stopped out from those ones , in again
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  • #1,005,752
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:16pm Jun 29, 2015 5:16pm
Weekly tf says that a retest of the low is still possible,daily tf is in a bounce and H4 is rising.
For this week,i will wait for 21 sto (green one) on H4 tf to top (or go flat) and then will look for shorts.
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  • #1,005,753
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:17pm Jun 29, 2015 5:17pm
Quoting sakisf
{quote} As I said there is no provision in EU laws for a member leaving EZ (except for UK -if they ever join & Denmark). The only way out - Grexit - would be an exit from EU. More here: http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/op...leave-the-euro
Woouaaaw. Read it. ROFLED a max :

"
In the worst-case scenario, an enraged Greek prime minister gets his cabinet to vote to exit the euro on a Friday afternoon. At this point, he cannot go to parliament. He must issue a decreea temporary act to be ratified by parliament laterto leave the euro and reintroduce a national currency.
When he leaves the cabinet meeting, he will have to commit a raft of legal and constitutional breaches, possibly even crimes. He will immediately have to do the following: close the borders; enforce a prolonged bank holiday; stop all transactions; and cut off the banks from international communication, including via satellite. He might have to send in the police or army to enforce the transactions ban. The bank holiday will last as long as it takes, perhaps a week….(etc)"

I stand by what I wrote. Exiting EZ doesn't mean exit of EU and a fortiori EC.
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  • #1,005,754
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:19pm Jun 29, 2015 5:19pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} I stand by what I wrote. Exiting EZ doesn't mean exit of EU and a fortiori EC.
why someone will choose to leave EZ without leaving EU? does it make sense to you?

especially when noone can chose this option for the respective member state in question?
  • #1,005,755
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:19pm Jun 29, 2015 5:19pm
Quoting TheNoob
{quote} i don't see wars...i see only 5% WINNERS, 20 to 40% full of RAGERS (CHEATERS TIMEWASTERS CRIMINALS ETC...), and the last 55% to 75% are pure LOOSERS...THIS IS THE REAL THE ONE STATISTIC as old as the world!!!... this is the only thing that had never changed over the ages, AND MAY NEVER CHANGE, whatever happens... we all deal with it since we are born, we will keep dealing with it all of our life, and this will continue after we die, till the world ends... when the amount of loosers gets deeper, some may try to switch on the RAGE side......
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  • #1,005,756
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:19pm Jun 29, 2015 5:19pm
Quoting marcof91
Weekly tf says that a retest of the low is still possible,daily tf is in a bounce and H4 is rising. For this week,i will wait for 21 sto (green one) on H4 tf to top (or go flat) and then will look for shorts. {image} {image} {image}
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  • #1,005,757
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:22pm Jun 29, 2015 5:22pm
Quoting KGP
{quote} i sense the same thing... i just dont believe a different "kind" of currency will take place (i see it more or less impossible to happen) lets face it we are not the United States of Europe... and we are not going to be the "california" of the US of A... i dont know if what you (and I more or less) believe is going to happen what i see is that we are in the middle of "interesting times"
Sure.

Europe has only been without killing each other and (most of the world) the last 75 years of the last 2000 years so the odds of proper cooperation and working together in common goals and harmony for a better continent is basically a very distant optical illusion....

History will laugh at current Europe seeing how tiny countries ruled the world for so long without working together in peace...but we wont see it in our life times ...meanwhile to each its own and national interest (whatever that means in reality) will, sadly, always prime over universal and fundamental values ....

sisse
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  • #1,005,758
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:23pm Jun 29, 2015 5:23pm
Quoting edyraper
{quote} Nice jobs , thanks for sharing
Thank you, i do my best!
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  • #1,005,759
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:25pm Jun 29, 2015 5:25pm
Quoting sisse
{quote} Sure. Europe has only been without killing each other and (most of the world) the last 75 years of the last 2000 years so the odds of proper cooperation and working together in common goals and harmony for a better continent is basically a very distant optical illusion.... History will laugh at current Europe seeing how tiny countries ruled the world for so long without working together in peace...but we wont see it in our life times ...meanwhile to each its own and national interest (whatever that means in reality) will, sadly, always prime...

i fully agree with what you are talking about (and not only now...but in the past as well) but i am a little bit worried if anyone else really understood what you're talking/were talking about (no offense ;-) )
  • #1,005,760
  • Jun 29, 2015 5:26pm Jun 29, 2015 5:26pm
Quoting KGP
{quote} why someone will choose to leave EZ without leaving EU? does it make sense to you? especially when noone can chose this option for the respective member state in question?
Because EU is a political idea and I don't think that the Syriza voters are agains EU value and EZ an economical chaos (for the time being).
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