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  • #1,005,701
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:07pm Jun 29, 2015 4:07pm
Quoting gatorinla
question, will the greeks be able to have 3 million ballots at voting stations on july 5 as legally required. question 2, will the world court be the ones who settle the greek matter. since the ecb dont have a legal means to kick out Greece? question 3. will the ecb give greece a better deal. if so, what happens with the others wanting a better deal.
No one has legal means but ECB has technical means by stopping the emergency financing to kick out Greece technically from EZ but they will still be legally member until they take note that there is no more reason to be member of EZ.
What do you mean by world court ?

Whatever the result of the referendum, it's the beginning of the decline of the EU, a fortiori if the YES win.
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  • #1,005,702
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:08pm Jun 29, 2015 4:08pm
Quoting fazwright
{quote} this is so bad for the Population in Greece if they are going to loose everything, how will they sort this matter out if they do return back to there own Currency?
above my pay grade. its fucked either way. its why we have wars. when in a impasse we got to war, revolution whatever.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #1,005,703
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:10pm Jun 29, 2015 4:10pm
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  • #1,005,704
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:11pm Jun 29, 2015 4:11pm
i think im gonna f... This one to 1.5% red today nice f...ng day
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  • #1,005,705
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:13pm Jun 29, 2015 4:13pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} ECB has no legal means but technical means by stopping the emergency financing to kick out Greece technically from EZ but they will still be legally member until they take note that there is no more reason to be member of EZ. What do you mean by world court ? Whatever the result of the referendum, it's the beginning of the decline of the EU, a fortiori if the YES win.
above my paygrade,, Greece can file suit. what can they get out of it, is above my paygrade. maybe they will print euros. what they can or cannot do is beyond me
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #1,005,706
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:15pm Jun 29, 2015 4:15pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} above my paygrade,, Greece can file suit. what can they get out of it, is above my paygrade. maybe they will print euros. what they can or cannot do is beyond me
I see that I mean Greeks are the one who can take the decision to exit EZ legally.
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  • #1,005,707
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:17pm Jun 29, 2015 4:17pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} I see that
since they are a member.. it would be cool to see them turn on a euro printing press.. (talking out my ass)
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #1,005,708
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:20pm Jun 29, 2015 4:20pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} No one has legal means but ECB has technical means by stopping the emergency financing to kick out Greece technically from EZ but they will still be legally member until they take note that there is no more reason to be member of EZ. What do you mean by world court ? Whatever the result of the referendum, it's the beginning of the decline of the EU, a fortiori if the YES win.
Greece can still nationalize the banks and cause more losses to the ECB (86b ELA funds). So if they are to be forced out, it has to be through other means.
  • #1,005,709
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:21pm Jun 29, 2015 4:21pm
Heavy sell... play the game....
  • #1,005,710
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:22pm Jun 29, 2015 4:22pm
Quoting mkvy
Heavy sell... play the game....
The last guy was nfp who sold full margin ! Please dont over lev.
  • #1,005,711
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:23pm Jun 29, 2015 4:23pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} since they are a member.. it would be cool to see them turn on a euro printing press.. (talking out my ass)
In a striclt legal point of view Tsipras is a smart ass…eco wise I don't know, it's above my pay grade
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  • #1,005,712
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:24pm Jun 29, 2015 4:24pm
Quoting sakisf
{quote} 2m GRD. They don't spend the money themselves anyway. It goes to their children or grandchildren which are unemployed.
i am sure old people eat..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #1,005,713
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:25pm Jun 29, 2015 4:25pm
Quoting edyraper
i think im gonna f... This one to 1.5% red today nice f...ng day {image}
Could be worse. Why don't you call it a day? Movement pretty much dead right now. Let's reload our energy for tomorrow and the rest of the weeks to come. And then... a well deserved vacation?
  • #1,005,714
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:27pm Jun 29, 2015 4:27pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} In a striclt legal point of view Tsipras is a smart asseco wise I don't know, it's above my pay grade
he can default, germany, france , italy etc guaranteed some greek debt. the bag holders will pay for some of the Greek borrowed money. that will not sit well with those countries voters.. Greeks walk away w/o any ecb debt,, making Greece stronger
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #1,005,715
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:28pm Jun 29, 2015 4:28pm
Quoting sakisf
{quote} Greece can still nationalize the banks and cause more losses to the ECB (86b ELA funds). So if they are to be forced out, it has to be through other means.
You are right you can nationalize. But that will be a very bad idea to do so, be prepared for multiple cases before national courts, ECJ and ECHR. ECJ and ECHR will ask the Gov to pay a fair price to the shareholders, and I doubt that the gov has the money for it.
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  • #1,005,716
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:33pm Jun 29, 2015 4:33pm
Quoting fazwright
{quote} this is so bad for the Population in Greece if they are going to loose everything, how will they sort this matter out if they do return back to there own Currency?
reforms, put the politicians responsible for this joke in jail and get educated to understand that you cant be acting as an idiot and voting for idiots to rule your country and expect things to go well.
same happening wherever there is corruption, corruption comes from corrupted politicians and leaders, corrupted politicians and leaders come from corrupted people, corrupted people come from lack of awareness, brainwashing due to religion/social habits and lack of education at home/school, ignorant parents, and corrupted parents come from older corrupted people and leaders... and the cycle continues until there is a shock, a war, a recession, a disaster or several of these
When life gives you lemons, make lemonade
  • #1,005,717
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:34pm Jun 29, 2015 4:34pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} You are right you can nationalize. But that will be a very bad idea to do so, be prepared for multiple cases before national courts, ECJ and ECHR.
Don't think that international rule of law would be applicable against the Greek state at this point.
  • #1,005,718
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:35pm Jun 29, 2015 4:35pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} he can default, germany, france , italy etc guaranteed some greek debt. the bag holders will pay for some of the Greek borrowed money. that will not sit well with those countries voters.. Greeks walk away w/o any ecb debt,, making Greece stronger
I agree with you, that's why I don't understand why the troika refuses to restructure the debt and give a longer delay for the payment ?
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  • #1,005,719
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:36pm Jun 29, 2015 4:36pm
could we talk some technical analysis? This greece bullshit it's really boring
  • #1,005,720
  • Jun 29, 2015 4:38pm Jun 29, 2015 4:38pm
Quoting maximinus
{quote} You are right you can nationalize. But that will be a very bad idea to do so, be prepared for multiple cases before national courts, ECJ and ECHR. ECJ and ECHR will ask the Gov to pay a fair price to the shareholders, and I doubt that the gov has the money for it.
yeah well Greece can change their laws in another referendum by the people. lots of cluster sex in the making possible.. hell dragis already said he was using imf payments as a measure for ecb Greek funding. The greeks may have a case. he put the imf as controller over greek ecb funding. a non member is controlling the ecb, one never elected..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
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