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  • #81,381
  • May 15, 2015 5:56am May 15, 2015 5:56am
Quoting EraNaim
{quote} Thank you Mauro-J, yours analysis are a pure joy to my brain!!! so much fun to see them and learn GA- my second part is closed. {image} USD/CHF- simple trade with the trend. 1 part of the long trade is closed, traling stop to the other. {image}
"Bulls make money, Bears make money, but hogs get slaughtered"
  • #81,382
  • May 15, 2015 6:35am May 15, 2015 6:35am
EUR/CAD- danced with the mm's my steps are improving!

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  • #81,383
  • Edited 7:07am May 15, 2015 6:36am | Edited 7:07am
GU, quick scalp +5.6, counter trend trade based on pullback (profit taking) on run up to half number area and currency strength reversal of GBP and USD...

Note: Not per Sonic rules but PA and key levels S & R most often good for at least a 5 pip move as it did prior to continuing move up to half number area 1.57500 short term resistance.

Update: Pending buy orders were at the 1.57500 area as PA took off on the beginning of the hour candle with a strong GBP vs USD........
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Keep It Simple
  • #81,384
  • May 15, 2015 7:16am May 15, 2015 7:16am
Quoting cigarguy
GU, quick scalp +5.6, counter trend trade based on pullback (profit taking) on run up to half number area and currency strength reversal of GBP and USD... Note: Not per Sonic rules but PA and key levels S & R most often good for at least a 5 pip move as it did prior to continuing move up to half number area 1.57500 short term resistance. Update: Pending buy orders were at the 1.57500 area as PA took off on the beginning of the hour candle with a strong GBP vs USD........ {image}
USDCHF Short Trade Open/Close:
Closed gain 48 pips total.
Training your style a bit.
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USDJPY Short Trade Open/Close:
M5 Classic, 119 pips total gain.
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Have a nice weekend everyone!
PVSRA
  • #81,385
  • May 15, 2015 7:57am May 15, 2015 7:57am
Quoting qFish
A Sonic Classic Trade (well, almost, only thing missing the the 89 ema condition). But we are at the top of the H4 channel with good H4 bear strength at resistance. Trade management: So I'm dividing up my firepower based on 1.75% total risk, and placing them above my first entry expecting a stop loss hunt. The RR is from 1.2 to 2.6 based on how many eps gets triggered. Don't know where the market will go, but let's see how this plays out. Tah, I know I'm against your trade but couldn't resist a pull back to from a classic at resistance...
AU Closed early. I wanted to go ahead and close out for the weekend and collect whatever profits I had on this trade. As you can see it went further but didn't quite hit my original TP.
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Quoting qFish
GU Outlook: GU still looks a little early to short and a little late to long unless you want to do daily classics, in which Long is preferred as we have previous S/R break from high demand. The 100% fib expansion and S/R confluence looks yummy so we may still head up higher before going down. Just going to wait until price reacts at the S/R. Going to wait and watch. {image} UJ PVSRA Trade: UJ has been in a range, so MM's are building and profiting on both sides. Current bias is Long: {image} EU Outlook: {image}
UJ Trade Closed. Also closed this one early. Maybe next time I set a stoploss to lock in profits instead and see how far it runs ^.^
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Have a great weekend folks.

P.S. I've started my trades again, but now with reduce lot size and increasing to 6 pairs for a complete hedge! I'll update you guys later, it's a lotta charts to digest.
insanity: Doing the same thing over... and expecting different results -AE
  • #81,386
  • Edited 10:34am May 15, 2015 10:07am | Edited 10:34am
Considering a New Beginning

I am considering beginning a new thread on Forex Factory. I think the ongoing efforts to help others made by participating contributors will be more fruitful that way for two reasons. The new thread will not be in the Commercial Content section of FF and therefore more traders using FF will be exposed to the help they can receive and the success we are having. Also, I will have the convenience of being the Moderator of the thread, capable of acting quickly on any matter needing attention.

There may be other benefits in beginning a new thread, too. For example, with a fresh start the daunting burden of being a huge thread to read is eliminated. On the other hand, there will be some disadvantages, at least for a while. For example, there is much existing documentation to consider. Over time, the best of it might have to be copied to the new thread, but which could also be an opportunity to improve and condense it.

Regarding our indicators, they have been in the process of being upgraded for some time now. I am thinking to release them on the new thread.

Regarding the intent of the new thread, I have some venting to do here and your thoughts could be useful feedback for me. You all know that the body of work contributed to by many in the last couple of years has brought increased success and has made what we do very popular on Forex Factory. You also know that this popularity was then used to promote an outside commercial endeavor, and that FF responded by relegating our body of work to the "Commercial Content" section, which is less visible to the traders at large at FF. What is particularly aggravating is that contributions here by those of us freely sharing out of caring will continue to be used in the promotion of outside commercial endeavors. This amounts to creative and time consuming work donated by us being used by others for commercial profits. Personally, I do not wish to further participate in such an arrangement, and from PMs received I know some of you feel likewise.

Therefore, the new thread will have a different name and references to the old will intentionally be avoided, as this very sentence is intended to demonstrate. One thought I have for a new name is simply "PVSRA". I am open to your suggestions for other candidate names. And, I have been giving thoughts to promoting a move away from utilization of the two moving average components on the template, leaving just Price, Volume and S&R levels as the key factors in the trading method. I welcome your thoughts on this, too. Some of you might welcome it. Some of you might find it a difficult adjustment.

I will leave this now, for you all to read, re-read, contemplate, and respond to. I have not determined the time for me to do this, and this too you might wish to comment on if you feel all of this is advisable.

Sincerely,
tah
  • #81,387
  • Edited 10:43am May 15, 2015 10:29am | Edited 10:43am
Quoting traderathome
Considering a New Beginning I am considering beginning a new thread on Forex Factory. I think the ongoing efforts to help others made by participating contributors will be more fruitful that way for two reasons. The new thread will not be in the Commercial Content section of FF and therefore more traders using FF will be exposed to the help they can receive and the success we are having. Also, I will have the convenience of being the Moderator of the thread, capable of acting quickly on any matter needing attention. There may be other benefits in...
Dear Tah,
you have my full support whenever and whatever you decide.
The only thing I can say is: I completly understand your position (this was well visible today with some of my posts).
As you take care of this thread with alot of your time and energy (much more than anybody else), it is a large disadvantage that you are not moderator of this thread.

I will leave the comments about the details that you are willing to "brainstorm " with us to the more expirienced traders here.
(I have absolutly no idea how to "improve" your excellent work, since learning from you brought my trading to the result I could only dream of!)

Edit:
But I do have a vision. If and when you start a new thread, I would not be too excited about "the nicer size of it". This "advantage" will soon enough turn out bad,
considering how popular and valued trader you are.
(You made my day, I must joke around a bit..)
PVSRA
  • #81,388
  • May 15, 2015 10:50am May 15, 2015 10:50am
Quoting traderathome
Considering a New Beginning I am considering beginning a new thread on Forex Factory. I think the ongoing efforts to help others made by participating contributors will be more fruitful that way for two reasons. The new thread will not be in the Commercial Content section of FF and therefore more traders using FF will be exposed to the help they can receive and the success we are having. Also, I will have the convenience of being the Moderator of the thread, capable of acting quickly on any matter needing attention. There may be other benefits in...
Hi Tah, .... First Of all i appreciate very much this thread .... it is really a textbook ... and you are really a professor that help all with no return
and the idea of improving the thread is fantastic and a good step forward

and from my opinion (if you allow me) there is some point i face difficulty with when i am dealing with the thread:
1- Post number 1 need more arrangement (for newbie it is difficult to walk-through) and that what make them ask later a very basic questions so better post #1 to be
simple as much as possible & with photo illustration for the indicators and the system.
2- if it is possible to make links inside this thread to sub-threads for your daily recommendation for each pair & also a sub-thread for weekly analysis (so any one can
enter on the pair that he want (it will be a nice step as many people look in pages for specific pair history)
3- make a sub-thread for the new beginner for asking questions only during the market vacation in a specific time.
4- before any thing but in the first first page the roles of the thread very large.
5- Lastly (strictly remove any post not related to the core of the thread) if so the number of pages will not be huge.

Thank you .....
i know my opinion is nothing for you all as a new beginner ..... but that is not opinion (it is wishes)

Dr. Nassar
  • #81,389
  • May 15, 2015 11:05am May 15, 2015 11:05am
Quoting traderathome
I have been giving thoughts to promoting a move away from utilization of the two moving average components on the template, leaving just Price, Volume and S&R levels as the key factors in the trading method. I welcome your thoughts on this, too. Sincerely, tah
Tah,
I'm very new to the thread, and even newer to the system. Speaking from a novice viewpoint, any "simplification", chiseling away of any unessentials, always brings beauty and truth to anything!
Cheers.
  • #81,390
  • May 15, 2015 3:16pm May 15, 2015 3:16pm
Quoting traderathome
Considering a New Beginning I am considering beginning a new thread on Forex Factory. I think the ongoing efforts to help others made by participating contributors will be more fruitful that way for two reasons. The new thread will not be in the Commercial Content section of FF and therefore more traders using FF will be exposed to the help they can receive and the success we are having. Also, I will have the convenience of being the Moderator of the thread, capable of acting quickly on any matter needing attention. There may be other benefits in...
You won't know til you try! PVSRA is your baby afterall.
insanity: Doing the same thing over... and expecting different results -AE
  • #81,391
  • May 15, 2015 5:11pm May 15, 2015 5:11pm
USDJPY daily,
A very good picture of Sonic R Dragon, compared to my last post...
Compared to last post in this thread my emotions cheated my forecast but sonic dragon clearly defeats alternative
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  • #81,392
  • Edited 9:48pm May 15, 2015 9:35pm | Edited 9:48pm
Quoting Fisher755
{quote} Dear Tah, you have my full support whenever and whatever you decide. The only thing I can say is: I completly understand your position (this was well visible today with some of my posts). As you take care of this thread with alot of your time and energy (much more than anybody else), it is a large disadvantage that you are not moderator of this thread. I will leave the comments about the details that you are willing to "brainstorm " with us to the more expirienced traders here. (I have absolutly no idea how to "improve" your excellent work,...
New Beginning

"What is particularly aggravating is that contributions here by those of us freely sharing out of caring will continue to be used in the promotion of outside commercial endeavors. This amounts to creative and time consuming work donated by us being used by others for commercial profits."

It is Sonic's bussines what he does outside FF, however- since he is not beeing active posting here anymore- it would be wrong to refer to our latest post here ( to be fair- from this point of wiew the "New Beginning" is almost necessary).
Our posts should help new traders here and sometimes help or support each other (active traders posting)- in a way of presenting different points of wiew.I love the discussions here.

"Hi Tah, .... First Of all i appreciate very much this thread .... it is really a textbook ... and you are really a professor that help all with no return
and the idea of improving the thread is fantastic and a good step forward "

This textbook is being abused often lately, the time has come for you to take full control over it.
PVSRA
  • #81,393
  • Edited 12:54am May 16, 2015 12:39am | Edited 12:54am
Hi Fisher755,

I have been learning PVSR and looking the charts and keeping myself to be in the track which I find it difficult. Can you Please coach me to analyse the market for classic entries with pvsra, I have gone through the pdf ( pvs ) . during the learning curve I get clearly but when coming to live/practicals I get confusions. Please HELP ME Too

Textbook, Picks and Learning PVSRA

I received this PM and would like to answere here, becouse it points out, how important it is that "PVSRA Thread" is started by our dear Professor Tah as soon as possible, so that the "PVSRA Textbook" can be clean and clear for the learners. And the potencial name would fit perfectly.

Here is the answer:
I started trading 2,5 years ago. First came to FF as a guest at the end of last year. Was lucky to meet Tah and tried to learn what and how he is trading. I was serious about it, started Demo cca 2 monts ago, Live 3 weeks ago. The result until yesterday is +35%.
The thing is, I was prepared to stay on Demo for months, expecting to learn much slower (and was prepared to have a lot of patience ). I guess I was just lucky to learn faster.
It is not to be expected to learn about PVSRA fast, this is a complex process with many factors. Each and every PVSRA pick posted here is a peace of a puzzle from the complete Picture. If PVSRA would not be difficult, we would all be rich. I'm honored that I received this PM, but would say that the best for you (and traders like you) is to learn from "the doctor " in this field-TAH- and other more expirienced traders here (maybe even from me now and then)!
That is the reason I say big yes to the "New Beggining", it can turn out to be the most important "New Beginning" for a lot of people!! This includes you, dear writer of this PM. Just give yourself enough time and ptience to learn and study from all the small details (each chart or a post published).

(What a nice coincidence this PM is! And thank you for making such a nice Example. )
PVSRA
  • #81,394
  • May 16, 2015 3:42am May 16, 2015 3:42am
Quoting traderathome
Considering a New Beginning I am considering beginning a new thread on Forex Factory. I think the ongoing efforts to help others made by participating contributors will be more fruitful that way for two reasons. The new thread will not be in the Commercial Content section of FF and therefore more traders using FF will be exposed to the help they can receive and the success we are having. Also, I will have the convenience of being the Moderator of the thread, capable of acting quickly on any matter needing attention. There may be other benefits in...




Tah your contribution and market analysis is by far above par and on behalf of everyone i would like to say a Big thank you very much. Your every efforts is very valuable to newbie like me and season traders alike. And for the record as it relates to trading and reading these robbers MM, I will follow you where ever you may go,even if its to the edge of the universe and back. Im always behind the scenes reading and reading sometimes as much as 16 hrs per day, just so you know im doing my homework. A few names suggestions, PVSRA (is nice) ,Tah time, Tah vs Robbers or MM. Tah in this case relates to all of us traders at home. Have a great weekend all.
  • #81,395
  • May 16, 2015 4:04am May 16, 2015 4:04am
I know emotions in trading are bad,
but I am a very happy pearson this weekend.

"PVSRA Textbook" keeps coming to me and sounds more and more perfect.
I think Tah is the onlyone capable to moderate it perfectly.

(Sorry for making so many posts , I'm not holding back today. The most PMs I received from different traders was about PVSRA- this makes it the most important subject in our trading.)
PVSRA
  • #81,396
  • Edited 4:45am May 16, 2015 4:31am | Edited 4:45am
Market Comment

On review of Friday's market action, this thought occurs to me. The MMs seem to be alternating how they move xxxUSD pairs. In other words, if they are trending up with retraces, the MMs are not making the retraces all on the same days, nor in similar proportions.

AU and NU seem similar, trending up but Friday brought substantial retraces in the up trend. EU and GU are similar, trending up but without those retraces.

On the premise that AU, NU, EU and GU are all currently trending up, it might be that the MMs are differing the days and the degrees that they choose to make retraces to confuse and confound traders so that it becomes easier for the MMs to obtain liquidity to fill long orders ahead of any move higher. In other words, by forcing the retraces dis-similarly, the MMs hope to confuse and confound traders on any particular pair into thinking things are going bearish rather than realizing the bulls are simply executing retraces for more long filling before pushing prices back up.

I could be wrong about this, have been before, but this is something to think about when the new week begins and the MMs start positioning again for whatever they have planned for later in the week. For example, AU has had a retrace and the next move might be higher taking the price back to the upper area before the next move higher in the trend. Since EU has not had a retrace the next move might be a retrace that takes the price lower. What is one to think if at the same time AU is going up and EU is going down? Get the point? They both might end up at their previous highs before another move higher in their trends, but the MMs are doing things dis-similarly to confuse and confound (deceive & thieve).

-tah
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  • #81,397
  • Edited 6:07am May 16, 2015 5:28am | Edited 6:07am
Quoting traderathome
Market Comment On review of Friday's market action, this thought occurs to me. The MMs seem to be alternating how they move xxxUSD pairs. In other words, if they are trending up with retraces, the MMs are not making the retraces all on the same days, nor in similar proportions. AU and NU seem similar, trending up but Friday brought substantial retraces in the up trend. EU and GU are similar, trending up but without those retraces. On the premise that AU, NU, EU and GU are all currently trending up, it might be that the MMs are differing the days...
EURUSD: Started to build shorts (very small). Mental SL 1,16.

I compleatly agree on AU and NU. The scenario is possible even with EU.
But, there is a strange feeling about this pair comming to me. The reason for this non-similar moves could be completly different. Maybe they would like to keep this Long bias on purpose- to shake off the traders expecting shorts , some of them starting right side trades already( or to change their mind-SL hunt).
The situation very much reminds me on UJ events couple of weeks ago.. This famous Monster Long Candle..
Based on all this- If MM's will not dissapoint me, they will drag this without a serious retrace some 100 pips more (maybe more), and then change dramaticaly (when everybody will be Long finnaly- Breakouts are clearly a Bullish sign). Building Short orders on the way up with small retraces like the ones yesterday or the day before.
Just my point of wiew..and I will try to dance with them, but very carefull and with a lot of patience!
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AU and NU can be a completly different story- that would be very nice non-similar events.. With CU for the cream added to a cake.
GU I'm not sure- need to see more of it. (Too much playing chess in younger age. )
PVSRA
  • #81,398
  • May 16, 2015 7:02am May 16, 2015 7:02am
NEW THREAD

Hi TAH,

1. Your position is perfectly understandable. By going commercial, this thread has has deviated from SHARING IS CARING mantra. It would have gone completely of its course if traders like you and others haven't continued to share freely.

2. You have my full support.

3. The name of the new thread should be something like PVSRA- Price Volume Support Resistance Analysis. A full name. This is especially important regarding volume since it is the most underestimated part of trading. Therefore, when you construct a new name, emphasis should be on volume in order to open newbies' eyes.

4. It might not be the best thing calling MM's robbers and thieves. They are what they are, but it might be best to leave that dragon sleeping.

Kind regards,
Marijan
  • #81,399
  • Edited 7:41am May 16, 2015 7:25am | Edited 7:41am
New Thread Comment - TAH, I have been trading along side of you and have been the benefactor of your astute Forex/Market Maker comments insight and excellent indicator and template work since the old THV Thread. I feel the prior posts supporting this positive endeavor sum up the feelings of your thread followers, so nothing more to add in that respect.

As a scalper, I have benefited from your Sonic template from its inception although not following the strict Sonic classic trade rules. The core of my many years of trading has always been PA and Support Resistance. I personally am 100% in agreement with your comment;

"And, I have been giving thoughts to promoting a move away from utilization of the two moving average components on the template, leaving just Price, Volume and S&R levels as the key factors in the trading method"

I am looking forward to this new beginning and hoping your new trading rules contain the flexibility allowing for my scalping methodology and posting of my charts to assist others that may have a interest in a similar trading style...........

Let us all stay GREEN at PVSRA!
Keep It Simple
  • #81,400
  • May 16, 2015 7:48am May 16, 2015 7:48am
Quoting traderathome
Considering a New Beginning I am considering beginning a new thread on Forex Factory. I think the ongoing efforts to help others made by participating contributors will be more fruitful that way for two reasons. The new thread will not be in the Commercial Content section of FF and therefore more traders using FF will be exposed to the help they can receive and the success we are having. Also, I will have the convenience of being the Moderator of the thread, capable of acting quickly on any matter needing attention. There may be other benefits in...
This will be a groundbreaking move , and it will help many newcomers. I am happy for You , and glad to be a part of this ( maybe not the brightest , but still ). Wish You the best !
Man lie, woman lie, numbers don't
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