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  • #81,221
  • May 10, 2015 1:30pm May 10, 2015 1:30pm
Quoting traderathome
EURUSD Comments Intro The DAY chart shows a quasi double bottom with PA climbing since then. And recently in the climb there are two retraces. Late PA last Thursday PA was the second retrace. Friday PA was consolidation at the bottom of the retrace. So, is the retrace over with, or soon to be over with, and to be followed by a resumption of the up trend? Or is this second retrace the start of a weakening of the new up trend, to be followed by new moves lower? These are the questions a trader asks and seeks answers to. And this is complicated due...

Absolutely agree with you TAH. Many thanks for your great holistic explanation. "Effort vs Result", it sounds better and better structure of terminology too.
I think, all soniker Especially for the new comers should discussed it frequently. I have a little concern, some times many traders "called - use PVSRA" but they cant read as it was intended by PVSRA. This eventually became like a mechanical system, mechanical reading. Maybe in other side - some told that trading is all about profit, it doesnt matter how they trade, "mechanical , dialectical", and so on. its all abaout PVSRA. There are so many journals, research, analyzes that have analyzed the market that eventually gave birth to this PVSRA - and it also starts from the failure and bankruptcy of retail traders too. So, I think the art of PVSRA is when we try to read the market, read each MMs scheme, read the directions of SM, identify DM; to minimize risk and maximize profit.
Again, many thanks TAH...
_MJ
"Bulls make money, Bears make money, but hogs get slaughtered"
  • #81,222
  • May 10, 2015 1:41pm May 10, 2015 1:41pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Please Revise to Make Legible Type style and size too difficult to read. Can you enlarge for the benefit of all, including those of us no longer spring chickens? So far as "Supply and Demand" is concerned, it is a logical premise made unusable in that we have no idea where current supply and demand are located on the price queue, and further by the practice of Big Players "Ghosting" or "Bluffing" their intents by placing orders they have no intention of allowing to be filled. It is historic S&R/Consolidation Areas that would tend to point...
Sooo glad that I am not the only one to think this way!

I have thrown it all away for now ( It would be "the noise" to me, only bringing me sideways in my growing up to become a green trader ).
At first I checked "the noise" now and then (but not often anymore ), just to stay informed, but then I realized, It is lowering my focus and I stopped.
When I get my degree, maybe I will want to be "informed" some day.

I want to have a "clear mind", just like qFish after the "abuse" of his pen few days ago.
PVSRA
  • #81,223
  • May 10, 2015 1:45pm May 10, 2015 1:45pm
Guys,

I have to thank you for your constructive criticism through kind words. It is very easy to dismiss a newbie through insults and through undermining his effort (in trading and in life likewise), but it's very difficult to help someone and set him on the right track while enduring his "newbiness"

Thank you guys.
  • #81,224
  • May 10, 2015 3:16pm May 10, 2015 3:16pm
"We Never Know for Sure the next market direction and their next destination". But of all the uncertainty; we have something definite; that is the fact that appear in our chart. "The fact that occured". Craft the facts into favorable conditions for us. Minimize risk and mazimize profit.
"Bulls make money, Bears make money" And dont let us become the slaughtered pigs.

Note : For point G (on my ss) at least based my view point to the fact that occured, there are some signs of strenght. And i dont know yet what will surely done by the market on this new week (how long, n how far - surely i dont know yet). Its just an approximation, based on action and reaction of the market on that area, based on the fact that I have observed on this TF. If tomorrow there are new and different clues (contradictory) appear, of course the conclusion might be different. Is it just an assumption? yes it is, for sure. But, the best assumption is which in accordance with the material facts that occurred- and my rationalization is just a relative term - not an absolute.

-MJ
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"Bulls make money, Bears make money, but hogs get slaughtered"
  • #81,225
  • Edited 5:33pm May 10, 2015 4:39pm | Edited 5:33pm
NZDUSD Alert!

Incredibly bullish!

See the strong buying Friday, after two days ranging at the lows below half number. Now look at the MMs taking the price right back to the lows. Since this is the AS, there is not to be expected truly high volume. Since the MMs have previously and repeatedly cleared out all liquidity at these lows for getting long orders filled, we should not expect a lot of volume. I mean, how stupid can a market be to keep giving the MMs liquidity for longs at low prices after the MMs have for days on end been signalling what they are up to?

On a more disciplined note, the Trend - excepting for this move down - has been angled up, and the Dragon angled up also and above the Trend. And except for the gap down to open the week, PA was above both the Trend and the Dragon. So, what this looks like is pure price manipulation in a low activity market to clear out all liquidity for filling long orders at the lower prices, and below the 1/4 Level,.....which is a PVSRA consideration.

Keep in mind that while we might come to an understanding of what is going on in the market via PVSRA, we do not know the timing for any true breakout and run for profits. This is just the wee hours of a new week. Sometimes the market simply continues setting up it's Q-balls, holding off for slammer of a break late in the week.

In any case, now with the price being taken back down, the next full stacking event might occur at lower prices.

PVSRA and Patience,
-tah
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  • #81,226
  • May 10, 2015 9:06pm May 10, 2015 9:06pm
Opened short Classic p/o London GBP/USD
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  • #81,227
  • Edited May 11, 2015 12:26am May 10, 2015 11:46pm | Edited May 11, 2015 12:26am
Quoting leentjai
Opened short Classic p/o London GBP/USD {image} {image} {image}
GBPUSD Short Trade Open: Agree with Leentjai. No LO yet, but very nice setup.
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GBPJPY: Similar to GU, but not so nice yet. Worth watching for LO.
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Quoting Fisher755
{quote} GBPUSD Short Trade Open: Agree with Leentjai. No LO yet, but very nice setup. {image} GBPJPY: Similar to GU, but not so nice yet. Worth watching for LO. {image}
GBPJPY Short Trade Open:
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GBPJPY SL Hit.
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  • #81,228
  • Edited 3:31am May 11, 2015 3:06am | Edited 3:31am
Quoting leentjai
Opened short Classic p/o London GBP/USD {image} {image} {image}
Closed by TS +158 p total
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  • #81,229
  • May 11, 2015 3:38am May 11, 2015 3:38am
Quoting leentjai
{quote} Closed by TS +158 p total {image}
hi please dont say anymore 158 pips, you make just 15 pips, and this is a big differnece, dont confuse the newbes traders around here.
  • #81,230
  • Edited 4:50am May 11, 2015 3:56am | Edited 4:50am
Quoting shum
{quote} hi please dont say anymore 158 pips, you make just 15 pips, and this is a big differnece, dont confuse the newbes traders around here.
Shum,
Leentjai is NOT confusing the traders who DID THE HOMEWORK from post #1!

GBPUSD Short Trade Closed: 3 o'clock- no good!
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  • #81,231
  • May 11, 2015 4:16am May 11, 2015 4:16am
Quoting shum
{quote} hi please dont say anymore 158 pips, you make just 15 pips, and this is a big differnece, dont confuse the newbes traders around here.
Agree with you, it is very confusing calculation method. It does not matter how big lot you have, lot does not change count of pips. If price moves from 1.5425 to 1.5400 it makes 25 full pips. Problem with the indicator is that it calculates 1 trade as multiple trades. Example if you have 10lot trade it calculates like you have 10 x 1lot trade and counts pips like 10 x 25 pips. But if you are looking numbers in money then you see how many pips you actually got.
All this unit thing about this indicator is so misleading and confusing. I hope this will be fixed with new templates and files.

If you are looking about 1 year back in this thread you will find old level indicators calculating full pips.
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  • #81,232
  • May 11, 2015 4:18am May 11, 2015 4:18am
Quoting leentjai
{quote} Closed by TS +158 p total {image}
Reopened Short GBP/USD
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  • #81,233
  • May 11, 2015 4:23am May 11, 2015 4:23am
short trade open , EURJPY, very simple

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  • #81,234
  • Edited 4:49am May 11, 2015 4:25am | Edited 4:49am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Carlicus, Again you accuse: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...54#post7445954 "Maybe I overestimated you. I'll try my last example. Let's say you win 10 pips (size = 1 lot) and you lose 5 pips (size = 4 lots). Your pip count is +5 pips. Since 1 lot means 10 dollars per pip, you earn 100$ (10pips * 10 dollars) and you lose 200 $(5 pips * 40 dollars). As a result you win +5 pips when you actually lost 100$ (100 - 200)." Our pip count on a negative move of 5 pips on 4 lots is a loss of 20 pips total, not a loss of...
Counting pips

.. a reminder for all "the confused" new and not so new traders..

"Our pip count on a negative move of 5 pips on 4 lots is a loss of 20 pips total, not a loss of just 5 pips total as you accuse. Just because you sit down in the middle of the desert and write, "It is snowing around me.", does it mean because you wrote it we are to believe it? No, of course not!"

Shum,
inform yourself and think about it. If you cannot say something nice about respected trader like Leentjai, better don't say nothing at all.
The same goes for Sonic R indicators!
PVSRA
  • #81,235
  • May 11, 2015 4:28am May 11, 2015 4:28am
Quoting Fisher755
{quote} Shun, Leentjai is NOT confusing the traders who DID THE HOMEWORK from post #1! GBPUSD Short Trade Closed: 3 o'clock- no good! {image}
sorry but this is a bad lesson for newbes, pips are the same pips on all systems and markets, here people speak about thousants of pips, what is so rong, and this is steel a big confuse, this lesson must have to be change.
  • #81,236
  • May 11, 2015 4:30am May 11, 2015 4:30am
Quoting Fisher755
{quote} Counting pips .. a reminder for all "the confused" new and not so new traders..
take it easy mate, be calm, coz you are rong, and your link is rong too..
there you speac about volumes of lots, what do not have nothing with pips.
  • #81,237
  • May 11, 2015 4:33am May 11, 2015 4:33am
is not meter what lot size you have, you grow the same number of pips, so pleas do not confuse newbes, i repeat for last time.

enter with 10 lots and make 10 pips is - 1000 dollars
enter with 1 lot and make 10 pips is - 100 dolars
what is the point here? right, you make 10 pips.
  • #81,238
  • May 11, 2015 4:40am May 11, 2015 4:40am
Quoting Fisher755
{quote} Counting pips .. a reminder for all "the confused" new and not so new traders.. "Our pip count on a negative move of 5 pips on 4 lots is a loss of 20 pips total, not a loss of just 5 pips total as you accuse. Just because you sit down in the middle of the desert and write, "It is snowing around me.", does it mean because you wrote it we are to believe it? No, of course not!" Shum, inform yourself and think about it. If you canoot say something nice about respected trader like Leenjai, better don't say nothing at all. The same goes for Sonic...
http://s20.rimg.info/caa5c1b909b5e2a...d94f778b55.gif are you kiding? .. take a time and read and learn somthing from pro traders, you iven do not understud about what you speak in this mesages-)))
  • #81,239
  • May 11, 2015 4:42am May 11, 2015 4:42am
Quoting shum
{quote} hi please dont say anymore 158 pips, you make just 15 pips, and this is a big differnece, dont confuse the newbes traders around here.
???Sorry..POST #1 Reed please Pips and total pis is different amounts / total pips 158:20=7.6 p/ Please don't change Sonic rules.
  • #81,240
  • May 11, 2015 4:47am May 11, 2015 4:47am
Quoting leentjai
{quote} ???Sorry..POST #1 Reed please
sorry mate , but this post is rong, i dont say anything about you trading method, i just speak about termens what you use.
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