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  • #79,661
  • Mar 9, 2015 5:19am Mar 9, 2015 5:19am
Quoting demarko7
{quote} Totally agree! I have been +green the last six months due to the Sonic System. Did TAH or Sonic got a single penny from me ? NO Thank you Sonic and Tah and other Sonikers that contributed to this thread and the templates. Keep posting guys.


Quoting BatmanJr
exited Scout gold. I knew it will have reversed a little at least before triggers but no interest to wait!
Please remember about JPG if you are describing a specific trade, this is one of the oldest rules of this thread. I have been scolded once about that.
POST= a description + a picture THANK YOU!
  • #79,662
  • Mar 9, 2015 5:45am Mar 9, 2015 5:45am
GBPJPY: Keeping with my long-term bias, I entered a scout at the bounce off support..
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...and with a 1:3 risk to reward it turned out like this:
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  • #79,663
  • Mar 9, 2015 9:04am Mar 9, 2015 9:04am
Trend is obviously down below.. dragons..
But candle wiese, trying to recover..

If u r keen on going Long.. Be careful...

1.098xx level may be a nice TP.if u insist..



Sonic
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  • #79,664
  • Mar 9, 2015 9:10am Mar 9, 2015 9:10am
This is another sucker in a making...

for more than 30 days ..nothing but a range..


Sonic
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  • #79,665
  • Edited 11:49am Mar 9, 2015 9:11am | Edited 11:49am
This thread opened my eyes on some very important understanding. I suspected it for a long time, looking at the price, moving against high releases, against fundamental analysis, even against technical analysis. First of all, I want to say, that I totally agree with prof. TAH : forex is not free market, it is highly manipulated market. And therefore it has algoritm, created by human. This is the weakness of forex. Someone can call me paranoic, but it is ok for me. Denial - natural reaction of human mentality. You can call me what ever you want, it is your right. Before I started studying this thread, I couldn't connect all my guesses together. Now all parts of brain-teaser joined in the whole picture. It is almost impossible for me to describe it, because my english is very poor.
Here some pictures with ideas from this thread, first - early system template(swings only), second - Sonic R. template
After 1600 points previous downtrend the last swing is Bull MMs load their own positions...
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and blow short traders by starting run for their profit. it is about 850 point uptrend
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to be continued...
  • #79,666
  • Edited 11:33am Mar 9, 2015 10:24am | Edited 11:33am
Quoting Alexan4es
This thread opened my eyes on some very important understanding. I suspected it for a long time, looking at the price, moving against high releases, against fundamental analysis, even against technical analysis. First of all, I want to say, that I totally agree with prof. TAH : forex is not free market, it is highly manipulated market. And therefore it has algoritm, created by human. This is the weakness of forex. Someone can call me paranoic, but it is ok for me. Denial - natural reaction of human mentality. You can call me what ever you want,...
On this pic. you can see Bear MMs pushing price up...
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before their true run for profit about 1000 points down
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to be continued...
  • #79,667
  • Mar 9, 2015 10:28am Mar 9, 2015 10:28am
Quoting Alexan4es
{quote} On this pic. you can see Bear MMs pushing price up to suck in shorts... {image} before their true run for profit about 1000 points down {image} to be continued...
While your explanations are quite enlightening, it is unfortunately contradictory to the posting rules in Post#1, only sonic template posts as well as trade setups with explanations. It will be great if you could edit them. Regards
  • #79,668
  • Mar 9, 2015 10:40am Mar 9, 2015 10:40am
Quoting sinqua
{quote} While your explanations are quite enlightening, it is unfortunately contradictory to the posting rules in Post#1, only sonic template posts as well as trade setups with explanations. It will be great if you could edit them. Regards
ok, just took me for some time. As I wrote it is early system examples, but I edit them to Sonic R. template. It is good that you told it in the begining
  • #79,669
  • Edited 11:29am Mar 9, 2015 10:59am | Edited 11:29am
Quoting Alexan4es
{quote} On this pic. you can see Bear MMs pushing price up to suck in shorts... {image} before their true run for profit about 1000 points down {image} to be continued...
Quoting sinqua
{quote} While your explanations are quite enlightening, it is unfortunately contradictory to the posting rules in Post#1, only sonic template posts as well as trade setups with explanations. It will be great if you could edit them. Regards
Price Manipulation by MMs - How the Market Works

Guys,

Actually, I liked the charts without the Dragon-Trend first posted because they allow better focus on the price manipulation in the market. BTW, I think Alexan4es meant to say the MMs were sucking in longs during the move up because by sucking in longs the MMs were getting the longs to help move the price higher and higher while also providing the necessary liquidity for the MMs to build their own short positions ahead of the planned Bear Run for Profits shown in the second picture. This does make sense, right?

Look at it this way. The MMs are sheep herders. Traders are the sheep. When the MMs want price to go up, they give it pushes to get it started, which they might have to repeat now and then. They give it pushes by running the price up the price queue a ways taking the counter-party side of any order imbalances and they support the price, meaning once a level imbalance is complete, they push the price up to higher levels, not down! The MMs are thereby forcing the market to trade at higher and higher prices. Hence, the MMs are herding the sheep. And, if the MMs want higher prices it is because big players have placed sell orders higher up and/or the MMs themselves desire to fill their own sell orders higher up. Sell to close longs, or sell to open short positions? This we cannot know, but either way it is not a good sign for the current trend up. Again, the MMs manipulate prices to: stop hunt, suck in wrong siders for liquidity, suck in right siders for future liquidity, to herd the sheep into trading in the direction the MMs want the price to go. And thru PVSRA we can get signs and clues as to what the MMs are doing.

Remember, the purpose of the Dragon-Trend is to reveal trade entry opportunities, as they work together with price action, volume and S&R (PVSRA) to show building market momentum.

I like it as an example of how the market works. And I see that the charts revised to include the Dragon-Trend are just as good. Nice post.

-tah
  • #79,670
  • Mar 9, 2015 11:42am Mar 9, 2015 11:42am
GBPUSD: Lessons


Two lessons are present: about MMs price manipulation and value of our "Levels" as S&R.

You can see that Friday the MMs whacked the price low, quickly taking price below whole number Level. Why? My guess = time to go after filling big player orders to buy. However, you can also see that late....very late.....Friday, the MMs whacked price further, to below the half number Level and continued active trading down there. Why? My guess = MMs now filling their own buy orders. Starting the week off, the MMs quickly brought price back up and with some evidence we can see that they supported the price from dropping again below the half number. Why? My guess = they want longs to start pushing price up higher now. And now, unless big players add more buy orders below the whole number, it looks like the MMs will continue to support price to force traders into trading higher and higher. Why? My guess = so the MMs and their big clients make profits on their buy orders.

Remember, we cannot know how the MMs will move price next. Furthermore, my guesses could be wrong. I have been wrong before.

The Dragon-Trend indicator was turned off for this picture because I wanted the lesson about price manipulation and Levels to stand out.

-tah
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  • #79,671
  • Edited 12:11pm Mar 9, 2015 12:00pm | Edited 12:11pm
GBPUSD Long Trade Open/Close:

Closed for gain of 52 pips average, 260 pips total gain. See previous post for more details. Since the LS is over, the MMs might eventually start working price down the price queue to use up available liquidity for long building. And the AS might involve a retrace down, also; a stop hunt, maybe. Decided to close and wait to see what happens next. The profit here is decent and the week is young.
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  • #79,672
  • Mar 9, 2015 12:37pm Mar 9, 2015 12:37pm
EURUSD Long Trade Open:

Scout entries.

Same as with GU (see post), Friday the MMs whacked it below whole number Level; went down to fill big player buy orders. Later the MMs took the price below lower half number Level; went down to fill their own buy orders. Unlike GU, the half number Level continues to be breached; MMs not supporting price very well, hence they are probably still going back down to use up liquidity for filling their own buy orders, meaning they are deceiving shorts to enter the market. Could be wrong, have been before. Keeping this trade open into tomorrow. No TP, SL at this time.
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  • #79,673
  • Mar 9, 2015 1:17pm Mar 9, 2015 1:17pm
scout entry, and wait for 2# entry like a classic set up , but i am very worry if the price will up higher
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  • #79,674
  • Mar 9, 2015 1:24pm Mar 9, 2015 1:24pm
Quoting lovolo
scout entry, and wait for 2# entry like a classic set up , but i am very worry if the price will up higher {image}
Very good Scout entry. You patiently waited. I have two separate trades on this pair. Yours is far better than either of mine.
  • #79,675
  • Mar 9, 2015 2:15pm Mar 9, 2015 2:15pm
Quoting traderathome
GBPUSD: Lessons Two lessons are present: about MMs price manipulation and value of our "Levels" as S&R. You can see that Friday the MMs whacked the price low, quickly taking price below whole number Level. Why? My guess = time to go after filling big player orders to buy. However, you can also see that late....very late.....Friday, the MMs whacked price further, to below the half number Level and continued active trading down there. Why? My guess = MMs now filling their own buy orders. Starting the week off, the MMs quickly brought price back up...
I thought almost the same Professor! But I still wait for the price go above 1.5135 RDH level. If it goes through, it will be a perfect classic entry for long. It seems volume decreases, so I definitely will wait.

Thank you for your post, it was very informational - as always.

Regards
FN
Stay green! FN
  • #79,676
  • Edited 3:27pm Mar 9, 2015 3:04pm | Edited 3:27pm
GJ UJ Scout Trade Opened
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Frankly speaking am not just happy with myself for my inability to be discipline. I think the only way to achieve this is to be part and parcel of this community.

I am setting up a 30 day challenge for my self from this moment. The challenge will be to post all my trades and have a daily, weekly and monthly review. I hope you guys will help me review my daily, weekly, monthly achievement.

Please where is the ideal place for me to place my take profit in the above trade I entered.

Thanks
  • #79,677
  • Edited 5:04pm Mar 9, 2015 4:52pm | Edited 5:04pm
Quoting victorezeaku
GJ UJ Scout Trade Opened {image} {image} Frankly speaking am not just happy with myself for my inability to be discipline. I think the only way to achieve this is to be part and parcel of this community. I am setting up a 30 day challenge for my self from this moment. The challenge will be to post all my trades and have a daily, weekly and monthly review. I hope you guys will help me review my daily, weekly, monthly achievement. Please where is the ideal place for me to place my take profit in the above trade I entered. Thanks
1. Please work to include entire chart in post. Your charts are missing the extreme right content!

2. If you have not looked at historic PA to determine where you feel comfortable placing a TP, there are other ways:

A. Let trade run until PA again crosses the Dragon.

B. Consider the size of the previous bull and bear swings. 100 pips? 150, 200? If price is starting another swing, look for similar move.

C. Use RDH or RDL.

D. Use RWH or RWL.


Regarding the placement of TPs, there is no "ideal" placement. We cannot know how the MMs will move price. What we can do is use the tools available to see if there is confluence at any levels. Such tools are from the Access Panel: Levels, pivots, day and week range marks. Other tools can be used also: Fibonacci Retrace and Fibonacci Extension tools, which you should learn to use on your own.

I must say that for a trader to ask, "Please where is the ideal place for me to place my take profit in the above trade I entered?", points out how little developed you are as a trader and how little you have learned from doing your Post #1 Homework. You need to work more and work harder on your own here, because much knowledge is presented thru Post #1 and in the thousands of trades already posted on this thread.

-tah
  • #79,678
  • Mar 9, 2015 5:07pm Mar 9, 2015 5:07pm
Quoting forexn00b
{quote} I thought almost the same Professor! But I still wait for the price go above 1.5135 RDH level. If it goes through, it will be a perfect classic entry for long. It seems volume decreases, so I definitely will wait. Thank you for your post, it was very informational - as always. Regards FN
GBPUSD

Price did not retrace. I thought it might. Maybe it still will. If not, it is a sign this is strongly bullish, or it is an indication the foxy MMs are coaxing in longs and taking their time at doing so in order to have a lot more of them to stop hunt later.

-tah
  • #79,679
  • Mar 9, 2015 6:52pm Mar 9, 2015 6:52pm
GBPUSD Long Trade Open:

Price has now retraced back to the lower whole number. I made a Scout long entry there, but I would not be surprised if the MMs drag the price lower. There are GBP high impact releases and USD high impact releases coming. If the big players add more buy orders at lower prices the MMs are surely going to lower the price and work to fill them. I entered here just in case that does not happen. No TP, SL at this time.

-tah
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  • #79,680
  • Mar 9, 2015 9:10pm Mar 9, 2015 9:10pm
Quoting traderathome
GBPUSD Long Trade Open: Price has now retraced back to the lower whole number. I made a Scout long entry there, but I would not be surprised if the MMs drag the price lower. There are GBP high impact releases and USD high impact releases coming. If the big players add more buy orders at lower prices the MMs are surely going to lower the price and work to fill them. I entered here just in case that does not happen. No TP, SL at this time. -tah {image}
Where is dragon?
New template remove it ??!!
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