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  • #79,321
  • Feb 24, 2015 6:53pm Feb 24, 2015 6:53pm
EURJPY Short Trade Open:

Classic, pre-LS. The MMs failed to get price above whole number on last move up. Are they saving that move for a stop hunt of shorts later? Or are the pending short orders of others just to numerous to absorb while trying to get the price up there? Yesterday was a Pump & Dump above the upper half number with notable volume, so even if the MMs do manage to push the price back above the whole number, I will consider it more an opportunity to add to this short trade, than a possible reversal. No TP, SL at this time.
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  • #79,322
  • Feb 24, 2015 7:10pm Feb 24, 2015 7:10pm
Quoting MisterG
{quote} Leentjai your trading skills are phenomenal. You can easily be a role model for us all. I ( as probably all of us) would be very grateful if You could post your though process behind this one , It would help me greatly to boost my knowledge about Sonic R.
Thank you MisterG.. But I wont to thank you Sonicdeejai and prof TAH ,Gupito and all Soniciers who share with us their knowledge, spend time and have patience to teach us . Again and again special thank you PROF TAH !!!!!.
How we see on D TF soon will be changed trend bur how alwayse prof TAH remind us "....only after they pushed the price back above the whole number, in the process stopping out shorts and coaxing in longs, thereby getting the liquidity they needed to load up more shorts of their own....''So I'm waiting ...because we are sure that the price will still be to climb up a few times....Next I look on 1H TF....
next Ilook on15 min TF..
How sad Gupito I put mental SL but on the previos picture I mput SL how usually teach us ''GURUS''
Result.......
SORRY FOR MY POOR ENGLISH
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  • #79,323
  • Edited 8:12pm Feb 24, 2015 7:21pm | Edited 8:12pm
AUDUSD: How the Market Works

First, while there are multiple USD releases later today, the next AUD high impact release is not until tomorrow.

Next, note that the MMs now have, in the beginnings of this new day of trading, moved the price above the half number that coincides with the top of the range.

Finally, ponder on this awhile. Does it seem reasonable that the MMs have done this to force traders into trading up here, in order that the MMs can now move prices up and down to coax in wrong siders and get the liquidity they need to resume building short up here ahead of that coming AUD release? Or, do you think the MMs have just moved the price up so they can now add more longs before pushing the price up further when they could have first pushed the price down to add longs before pushing the price up further?

Yes, the MMs might push the price up further. And be bears while doing it, too! Especially since there is good time remaining to suck in longs at higher and higher prices to get liquidity for shorting at higher and higher prices, ahead of the coming AUD high impact release. So, this could be a situation where the price continues to go one way (bullish) over a length of time while the MMs that are controlling the price are actually bears! And this is exactly the kind of situation that can stress an account if you see it that way and try to keep adding shorts!

This is why patiently waiting for a Classic setup and then trading it, is the best thing to do. No matter how you access PVSRA, it is the best thing to do. Even if the Classic setup is opposite your PVSRA. If the run, if the momentum, is short lived, you exit and look for a Classic setup in the opposite direction. This is the least risky way to trade.

-tah
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Edit: And since first posting, we can see how the MMs are pushing the price up (note that the push is light volume) to suck in longs for shorting liquidity. The move is probably motivated in part by big players having placed short orders on the price queue in the upper whole number area. The MMs are manipulating the price up to go fill those orders. Once they get the price up there comes ranging, as the MMs move price up and down to further coax wrong siders into the market to get the liquidity needed to fill the short orders of the big players. And once price is on the move like this, we must also consider the possibility there are short orders around RWH/next upper half number, and that the MMs might take the price there. The MMs can move price quickly when they decide to, so they have plenty of time to do this and fill short orders higher up. How I see it.
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  • #79,324
  • Feb 24, 2015 7:32pm Feb 24, 2015 7:32pm
Quoting traderathome
AUDUSD First, while there are multiple USD releases later today, the next AUD high impact release is not until tomorrow. Next, note that the MMs now have, in the beginnings of this new day of trading, moved the price above the half number that coincides with the top of the range. Finally, ponder on this awhile. Does it seem reasonable that the MMs have done this to force traders into trading up here, in order that the MMs can now move prices up and down to coax in wrong siders and get the liquidity they need to resume building short up here ahead...

AJ Day looks interesting and maybe answers for the Aud release....but I'm just a scalper what do I know about long term......any t/f over M15 and I'm lost.
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Keep It Simple
  • #79,325
  • Feb 24, 2015 8:23pm Feb 24, 2015 8:23pm
Just tired of watching the Good Game you Guys are playing with the Bigboys - MMs. I just want to congratulate all you real sonicers for your success. Unfortunately for me, I have not even won a game for over 10 years I started this game.

Recently, I have being watching the games you sonicers play. It is fantastic. Kudos to Sonicer and TAH. You are Great Coaches. The Best in the world. I hope to be part of your winning team rather than just be spectator. The game is interesting and I hope I will learn to play like a real sonicer and also get the added psychological support I need to get over huge losses which I have made playing this game

My major challenge in this game is keeping my profits. Recently, I use sonicers game plan and I increased my account by over 2000% in just one day buy unfortunately for me, I lost all within a twinkle of an eye.



Please How do I avoid making such losses.

Also, is this game plan good for all currencies / commodities / futures

Thanks
I am really glad to join this team and I hope to be a real sonicer in days to come
  • #79,326
  • Feb 24, 2015 8:51pm Feb 24, 2015 8:51pm
Quoting cigarguy
{quote} AJ Day looks interesting and maybe answers for the Aud release....but I'm just a scalper what do I know about long term......any t/f over M15 and I'm lost. {image}
AUDJPY

cigarguy,

And you are a damn good scalper, too! So why get yourself into an unfamiliar situation?

You trade based on price and S&R analysis. This thread needs more of that! And someone to lead in that area. Seeing a notable bit of volume ain't all that hard, but assessing price action against S&R, and in the overall picture,.....well, that is an acquired skill. Just like PVSRA is an acquired skill. But what you do is more "pure" and is a key element in PVSRA.

Putting it simply, this thread needs you. Sonikers need to learn what you have learned and need to develop the skill as you have developed the skill.

From what I see - and I consider myself on the bottom rung of the ladder you sit atop of - the AJ H1 chart is bullish. It might be about to reverse, but it has not reversed,....not yet. And we cannot be sure when it might. Drillilng down to M15,.....still bullish. The half number is a suspect place for reversal gyrations, but price has not reversed. There is no M15 Classic short setup. When will one come? Maybe not until tomorrow. And the longer it takes to come, the higher the price it might come at.

So, this is,.....only as I see it and as Master Sonicdeejay would say, "....Too late to long. Too early to short...."

Cigarguy, don't screw yourself up by stepping out of your groove in a rash way. Please, you are too important to this thread.

-tah
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  • #79,327
  • Feb 24, 2015 9:24pm Feb 24, 2015 9:24pm
Quoting victorezeaku
Just tired of watching the Good Game you Guys are playing with the Bigboys - MMs. I just want to congratulate all you real sonicers for your success. Unfortunately for me, I have not even won a game for over 10 years I started this game. Recently, I have being watching the games you sonicers play. It is fantastic. Kudos to Sonicer and TAH. You are Great Coaches. The Best in the world. I hope to be part of your winning team rather than just be spectator. The game is interesting and I hope I will learn to play like a real sonicer and also get the...
What a Great Post!

victorezeaku,

Wow. What a great post, Victor. Honesty and humility and a willingness to change if the way will be shown. What more can any trader exhibit when starting on the road to success?

Actually, you are way ahead of many here. You have acquired some instincts simply from the time in the trade, so to speak. Now, it is time to use those instincts properly. Not to jump you into a situation, but to trigger prudence and patience.

"Please How do I avoid making such losses. " -

The Sonic R. System is trading what we call the Classic setup. Learn it. Apply your learning. Learn to apply better. And that is where your instincts will start to be used to make you money instead of coaxing you prematurely and costing you money. For you, it becomes a reconditioning project of two parts: to learn to apply the Sonic R. System properly, and to replace bad habits with good habits (probably changing from jumping to waiting).

The Classic setup breakout is a price action situation that most of the time involves the momentum to carry the trade, for however short or far it might go. We cannot know the distance. What we can do is enter the trade, assess the move towards our target exit, and manage the trade. All of which you will become intimately familiar with as you work thru doing your Post #1 homework and catch up on reading the thread,.....and staying current with the reading of the thread. There are a lot of traders here that post real-time trades (both good and bad) that can further your learning.

Welcome,
-tah
  • #79,328
  • Feb 24, 2015 10:22pm Feb 24, 2015 10:22pm
Quoting victorezeaku
Just tired of watching the Good Game you Guys are playing with the Bigboys - MMs. I just want to congratulate all you real sonicers for your success. Unfortunately for me, I have not even won a game for over 10 years I started this game. Recently, I have being watching the games you sonicers play. It is fantastic. Kudos to Sonicer and TAH. You are Great Coaches. The Best in the world. I hope to be part of your winning team rather than just be spectator. The game is interesting and I hope I will learn to play like a real sonicer and also get the...
Hi victorezeaku ! My advice is .. follow the classic rules and most important in this game is money management .I lost money not only one time...oh...and I ignored this important thing .It is my opinion...and advice
  • #79,329
  • Feb 24, 2015 11:20pm Feb 24, 2015 11:20pm
Dear TAH and Leentjai

Thanks for your advice.

TAH, I am just working on your advice - Learning how to wait. It is really not easy for me to learn as I always jump. But I must lean how to wait as I have seen that Patience and Discipline is the real skill of sonicers. I hope I will achieve success on controlling my emotions.

Dear Leentjai, my biggest problem with money management is greed. I have small account and that makes me to use big leverage to enable me make enough pips to sustain me. But ironically, I get burnt. I will learn to be patient and just focus on winning the game than making money. Hopefully that will make be a good money manager and a real sonicer.

Thanks all for your warmth welcome and advice as it is in no small measure inspiring me to play this interesting game like the sonicers.

I hope to win the persona game between me and my emotions. It is a much more difficult battle to win when compared with playing game with MMs

I feel great at the moment and will post my trades from time to time for constructive and sonic scrutiny and criticisms that will give me an edge in this game

Once more Thanks alot for your opinions and advice
  • #79,330
  • Feb 25, 2015 3:17am Feb 25, 2015 3:17am
Quoting victorezeaku
Dear TAH and Leentjai Thanks for your advice. TAH, I am just working on your advice - Learning how to wait. It is really not easy for me to learn as I always jump. But I must lean how to wait as I have seen that Patience and Discipline is the real skill of sonicers. I hope I will achieve success on controlling my emotions. Dear Leentjai, my biggest problem with money management is greed. I have small account and that makes me to use big leverage to enable me make enough pips to sustain me. But ironically, I get burnt. I will learn to be patient...
...ok. A small hint in your private inbox. In that case it can be a matter of good mental/psychological training. Sonic team will provide you with a splendid technical tools but that is a totally different element of investment.
  • #79,331
  • Feb 25, 2015 4:02am Feb 25, 2015 4:02am
Opened short AUD/USD Scout
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  • #79,332
  • Feb 25, 2015 5:38am Feb 25, 2015 5:38am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} AUDJPY cigarguy, And you are a damn good scalper, too! So why get yourself into an unfamiliar situation? You trade based on price and S&R analysis. This thread needs more of that! And someone to lead in that area. Seeing a notable bit of volume ain't all that hard, but assessing price action against S&R, and in the overall picture,.....well, that is an acquired skill. Just like PVSRA is an acquired skill. But what you do is more "pure" and is a key element in PVSRA. Putting it simply, this thread needs you. Sonikers need to learn what you...
TAH -

Thanks my friend for the kind words. I could respond with a bunch of rhetoric, but I choose to be brief like my trading style and say "YOUR KIND WORDS MEAN A LOT"......and back to business as usual with M5 and M15

Stay GREEN MY Friend! (and from many pips not cigars.....)
Keep It Simple
  • #79,333
  • Feb 25, 2015 7:39am Feb 25, 2015 7:39am
  • #79,334
  • Feb 25, 2015 8:50am Feb 25, 2015 8:50am
Hi all,

First post with chart here. I have read the first post and have strictly posted only template and indicators from Soniker. Hope I did not violate any thread rules, if any please enlighten and I will correct immediately.

I have a bad habit of starting trades at resistance levels and adding them up, which I am trying very hard to kick. I think this AUD/USD trade is a very good example of that and looks set to be a classic short setup.

Entry is bad, but classic short looks promising. We also have a double top forming.
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Luck shines on the positive.
  • #79,335
  • Feb 25, 2015 8:51am Feb 25, 2015 8:51am
EURUSD : comparative analysis of relative volumes so to speak, from height of bird's flight
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frankly speaking I start doubting that MMs are Bears. And one of the hints is above. Another hint on H1 I see that more significant volume are on LOWS. I don't no exatly what MMs planing, but I think that there are a lot of opportunities to go deep down as MMs for now are Bears. So I start thinking, if they don't want to go down as they are Bears for now, well it seems that they will go up. And now it is accumulation phase - the one of mostly hard area of the market, where price up and down, up and down sucking both longs and shorts

as always - time is the best judge
  • #79,336
  • Feb 25, 2015 8:55am Feb 25, 2015 8:55am
EURUSD: close 10 longs on 1.1350 resistance level. I'm still holding 6 longs on H1.

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  • #79,337
  • Edited 9:36am Feb 25, 2015 9:24am | Edited 9:36am
Quoting YvetteTeo
Hi all, First post with chart here. I have read the first post and have strictly posted only template and indicators from Soniker. Hope I did not violate any thread rules, if any please enlighten and I will correct immediately. I have a bad habit of starting trades at resistance levels and adding them up, which I am trying very hard to kick. I think this AUD/USD trade is a very good example of that and looks set to be a classic short setup. Entry is bad, but classic short looks promising. We also have a double top forming. {image}
AUDUSD

Well, we have to remember when trading this pair that Australia was settled as a penal colony of the Brits,.....nothing but criminals. So, when the right move is not forthcoming, we should understand......

Of course, good people eventually followed, so today they are not all bad.

What became of the criminals? They gravitated to the banking industry, and have become the "low, down under" Robber Bank MMs of today. Still thieves and rogues, but born of captured criminals they will eventually give up.
  • #79,338
  • Edited 9:51am Feb 25, 2015 9:38am | Edited 9:51am
EURUSD

A "lower high" spike back above the half number,.....so looks bearish. Of course, this depends on exactly how this TF closes. And would like to see if the following bar drifts up or down from the spread of this TF. My guess is bears due to the bearish Pump & Dump price action out of London. Patience. EUR high impact release soon to come.....
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  • #79,339
  • Feb 25, 2015 9:57am Feb 25, 2015 9:57am
EURUSD : example of m1(tick) reading. On m1 chart there are the same rules as in classic Sonic R. setups.
Any huge movement is born at M1 and rise thrue all other TFs. It's all starts on M1(tick) charts...
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  • #79,340
  • Feb 25, 2015 10:55am Feb 25, 2015 10:55am
EURUSD

We have a response now, delayed and not very convincing.

So, the Robber Banks are probably going to support the price above the half number until the USD releases tomorrow, in order to suck in longs for liquidity to continue to build their short positions. There is always the chance big players have put another batch of short orders up high - upper whole number area, perhaps - and that the Robber Banks are saving the move up to fill them for later, giving time to see if more shorts enter the market that can be stopped out during such a move later.

Time will tell. Right now, with little PA following that EUR high impact release, it seems the Robber Bank MMs are waiting, are controlling price in an attempt to catch more fish.

How I See It,
-tah
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