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  • #79,261
  • Feb 23, 2015 9:27am Feb 23, 2015 9:27am
GBPUSD Short Trade Open:

Scout entry during what I suspect is a stop hunt of shorts that the MMs coaxed in on the earlier move down. This might go higher. RDH is not far away and the MMs can put the price wherever they want it, when they are ready to do so. Right now the price is in a previously popular area for trading, which makes me suspicious that more stop hunting is probable. I decided to start building short here in case I am wrong about further stop hunting to RDH, or even to above the upper half number.
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  • #79,262
  • Feb 23, 2015 9:33am Feb 23, 2015 9:33am
Quoting traderathome
USDCAD May I suggest that if the thieving pricing Kingpins behind the price of Brent Crude are going to hike prices in during an atmosphere of relaxed tensions over the "Greek Issue" in order to gouge the "relaxing" consumer, then even if the outlook for USD is long term bullish, the outlook for CAD is short term "Raging Bear". But, I would suspect that the thieving Robber Bank MMs will hike price a bit before ramming it downwards. So, prices might reattain the upper whole number area. We cannot know just how the price manipulating Robber Banks...
USDCAD

I see that the Robber Banks did head fake price above the whole number/TL. Now, one question is will a good move back down be the one to breakout the bottom of the range.....? The other is when will a good short setup occur? Looks like right now,...perhaps waiting for another real good break of the 3/4 level with increasing volume interest. To me, right now it looks like the MMs are supporting the price to coax in longs so they will get the liquidity to add more shorts.
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  • #79,263
  • Feb 23, 2015 10:20am Feb 23, 2015 10:20am
You called it right TAH. In a bit of a hot jam on GU, still holding..
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  • #79,264
  • Feb 23, 2015 10:46am Feb 23, 2015 10:46am
Quoting sinqua
You called it right TAH. In a bit of a hot jam on GU, still holding.. {image}
How the Robber Banks Make Money From Their Currency Trading Operation

There are two ways the Robber Bank MMs make money.

One ways is straight forward commissions on filling orders, which of course means they have to manipulate prices to areas of orders, thereby forcing traders to trade in that area while the MMs further manipulate prices up and down in the area to suck in wrong siders so there will be liquidity for the MMs to fill the orders.

The other way is to make profits on positions taken ahead of moving the price to an area of orders the MMs intend to fill for commissions.

What we frequently see is what happens in between, the "relentless" pushing of price - higher and higher, or lower and lower - as the MMs repeatedly move price further and further to stop out incoming right siders of a future move, thus gaining additional liquidity to further build their own right side positions for this future move, which is the same move those sitting orders are also anticipating.

-tah
  • #79,265
  • Feb 23, 2015 10:55am Feb 23, 2015 10:55am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} How the Robber Banks Make Money From Their Currency Trading Operation There are two ways the Robber Bank MMs make money. One ways is straight forward commissions on filling orders, which of course means they have to manipulate prices to areas of orders, thereby forcing traders to trade in that area while the MMs further manipulate prices up and down in the area to suck in wrong siders so there will be liquidity for the MMs to fill the orders. The other way is to make profits on positions taken ahead of moving the price to an area of orders...
Would remember this in future trades
  • #79,266
  • Feb 23, 2015 10:59am Feb 23, 2015 10:59am
GBPJPY Trade open/closed loss -100pips

Please comment if a made a wrong entry. thanks
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  • #79,267
  • Feb 23, 2015 11:02am Feb 23, 2015 11:02am
And Once Again........

We must remember that the first day or two of the new week the MMs often devote to positioning price for moves to come, positioning price to where there are orders to fill ahead of the move to come, the move those orders are anticipating.

We must remember that such "preparatory" moves can be traded, but they are not necessarily indicative of a trend that will continue thru the week.

We must remember to be on the lookout for what happens as such "preparatory" moves seem to conclude, to be on the lookout for signs the MMs might be switching to ranging the price so as to coax in wrong siders to get the liquidity needed by the MMs so they can fill those orders they have gone after to fill.

We must remember that if clues are such as to support all this, then we need to adjust our thinking for the possible arrival of a Classic setup in the opposite direction,.....because if those orders were up high to open shorts, then they will be replaced with orders to close shorts at lower prices, and if those orders were down low to open longs, then they will be replaced with orders to close longs at higher prices,.....and the MMs will go after those orders also, in due time!

-tah
  • #79,268
  • Edited 11:56am Feb 23, 2015 11:13am | Edited 11:56am
EURUSD : classic long.
I think that it's quite dangerous trade, because it's opposite MMs. However there is a system and there is a signal of that system. So I desided to take it.
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Trade closed
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  • #79,269
  • Feb 23, 2015 11:29am Feb 23, 2015 11:29am
GU, M15 short trade opened 1st target 1.54366 near DR1
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  • #79,270
  • Feb 23, 2015 11:31am Feb 23, 2015 11:31am
Quoting Alexan4es
EURUSD : classic long. I think that it's quite dangerous trade, because it's opposite MMs. However there is a system and there is a signal of that system. So I desided to take it. {image}
EURUSD Now in Never-Never Land

Yes, a long is of higher risk now, because there no longer is agreement on H1.

Today, the MMs failed to push the price back up as they did with GU, which could be a sign of weakness, meaning that there are no orders higher up worth the MMs time to go after and fill, be they for opening longs or shorts. Furthermore, the degree to which the MMs did push price back up is about 50% of the last move down.

Price could go higher, maybe in after hours trading when it is most efficient for the Robber Banks to "adjust" prices to their liking (for their plans for profiting), or maybe in the coming Asian session because if this is truly weakening we should expect those MMs to covet some additional shorting at least above the half number, and maybe higher.

In any case, I think the case for a slam dunk long is past. Now we are in the Never-Never Land of trading, where all roads point to wherever your bias desires them to point. Of course, they will actually go to wherever the MMs decide. Meanwhile, there is conflict between H1 and M15, which is an alert.

-tah
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  • #79,271
  • Feb 23, 2015 12:11pm Feb 23, 2015 12:11pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} How the Robber Banks Make Money From Their Currency Trading Operation There are two ways the Robber Bank MMs make money. One ways is straight forward commissions on filling orders, which of course means they have to manipulate prices to areas of orders, thereby forcing traders to trade in that area while the MMs further manipulate prices up and down in the area to suck in wrong siders so there will be liquidity for the MMs to fill the orders. The other way is to make profits on positions taken ahead of moving the price to an area of orders...
And that's not the only way. See this (http://www.cftc.gov/ucm/groups/publi...duct111114.pdf). Crazy huh. Even after getting caught, I'm sure they will not stop. Their fine is just a small price to pay. I guess it's part of their risk/reward portfolio management. I guess we are all human, not Gods. Holy grail seems to be corruption. I guess I'll take that as a compliment considering how poor of a mofo I am.
insanity: Doing the same thing over... and expecting different results -AE
  • #79,272
  • Edited Feb 24, 2015 2:22am Feb 23, 2015 12:12pm | Edited Feb 24, 2015 2:22am
EURUSD : 2nd re-enter classic with narrow stoploss
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Closed at stop
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  • #79,273
  • Edited 12:25pm Feb 23, 2015 12:13pm | Edited 12:25pm
Quoting cigarguy
GU, M15 short trade opened 1st target 1.54366 near DR1 {image}
Closed GU early PA faltering at half number level +56.5 for quick scalp (5 lots)....
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  • #79,274
  • Feb 23, 2015 12:46pm Feb 23, 2015 12:46pm
EURUSD Short Trade Open:

Scout entry based on MMs manipulating price back up to half number area where higher volumes appear in after hours trading, as well as the fact that H1 is very bearish with The Dragon angled down and below the Trend which is also angled down.
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  • #79,275
  • Edited 1:17pm Feb 23, 2015 12:55pm | Edited 1:17pm
Quoting traderathome
USDCAD May I suggest that if the thieving pricing Kingpins behind the price of Brent Crude are going to hike prices in during an atmosphere of relaxed tensions over the "Greek Issue" in order to gouge the "relaxing" consumer, then even if the outlook for USD is long term bullish, the outlook for CAD is short term "Raging Bear". But, I would suspect that the thieving Robber Bank MMs will hike price a bit before ramming it downwards. So, prices might reattain the upper whole number area. We cannot know just how the price manipulating Robber Banks will go about things in an attempt to make other people's money become their money, but I would be on the lookout for these greedy and deceiving bastards to run the price higher before they run the price lower. -tah {image}
Quoting traderathome
{quote} USDCAD I see that the Robber Banks did head fake price above the whole number/TL. Now, one question is will a good move back down be the one to breakout the bottom of the range.....? The other is when will a good short setup occur? Looks like right now,...perhaps waiting for another real good break of the 3/4 level with increasing volume interest. To me, right now it looks like the MMs are supporting the price to coax in longs so they will get the liquidity to add more shorts. {image} {image}
USDCAD

Yep, the MMs supported price to suck in longs for shorting liquidity. Then they sold off while also sucking in other shorters. These other shorts then became the subject of another stop hunt by the MMs that took price back to the whole number area. And now the truth of it all is quite evident.....
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  • #79,276
  • Feb 23, 2015 1:25pm Feb 23, 2015 1:25pm
Quoting traderathome
EURUSD Short Trade Open: Scout entry based on MMs manipulating price back up to half number area where higher volumes appear in after hours trading, as well as the fact that H1 is very bearish with The Dragon angled down and below the Trend which is also angled down. {image}
Howdy TaH - this may be a dumb question but I have picked up on your comment here about MM's manipulating price back to the 1/2 number area where higher volumes appear in after hours trading - I understand this but is there a way in FX that we can actually see pending orders accumulating at different levels ?? or does this just come from experience and chart time ?? Cheers for your comments & sharing. Binnie
  • #79,277
  • Feb 23, 2015 3:34pm Feb 23, 2015 3:34pm
GU long trade open-close:
(i know some entries sucked but it was the best i could do atm)
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  • #79,278
  • Edited 8:17pm Feb 23, 2015 7:28pm | Edited 8:17pm
Quoting binnie
{quote} Howdy TaH - this may be a dumb question but I have picked up on your comment here about MM's manipulating price back to the 1/2 number area where higher volumes appear in after hours trading - I understand this but is there a way in FX that we can actually see pending orders accumulating at different levels ?? or does this just come from experience and chart time ?? Cheers for your comments & sharing. Binnie
Oh, Gee! Let's Just Expect the MMs to Show Exactly What They are Doing!

No, of course not! Do you think for one moment that the market makers are going to so easily give up their secrets to you, so you can make money off of them instead of the other way around?

This is an aspect of PVSRA that we are dealing with. This is as close as we'll ever be able to be to divining what the MMs are doing,.....and what it means! And such revelations are not extracted easily because PVSRA is an art form, as has been repeated often. But it does work, and a trader's PVSRA skill does improve (should) with application over time exposure to the market, while learning how the market really works.

So, in this last respect.....yes, it comes from experience at applying PVSRA over time in the market.

And so does the realization that no matter what trading system used, no matter what trading tools used (no, not even "order flow" software, or even PVSRA), we traders cannot know with any certainty just how the Robber Bank MMs will move price next, nor when trends will reverse. We cannot predict what the MMs have not yet even decided upon. They work real-time with a moment to moment changing price queue and their price queue software. And they make their decisions based on what we (all MM customers) do, not the other way around! This is the reason why - for over a hundred years and into the computer age - mathematicians and seasoned traders alike all fail to come up with anything that predicts the market..

We do better when we apply ourselves to PVSRA like innocent children applying themselves to the art form task of a jigsaw puzzle, than to be arrogant in whatever knowledge we think we have and put our fate in the hands of our sophisticated mathematical creations.

-tah
  • #79,279
  • Feb 23, 2015 7:43pm Feb 23, 2015 7:43pm
Quoting leentjai
Opened short USD/CAD Scout {image}
Closed USD/CAD +1515 total
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  • #79,280
  • Edited 10:26pm Feb 23, 2015 7:45pm | Edited 10:26pm
Quoting c76
GU long trade open-close: (i know some entries sucked but it was the best i could do atm) {image}
c76,

You seem to be displaying our supplied template. Good. So, what is the "Copyright @ 2008, Kharko" about, which you are displaying across our Access Panel......? I do not see any evidence of anything on the chart except what has been freely given to you - and to all - by the Sonic R. System and this thread.
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