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  • #961,321
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:23pm Feb 18, 2015 3:23pm
Does It Count as ‘Real’ Deflation When Prices Hit an Oil Slick?


http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015/...-an-oil-slick/
  • #961,322
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:23pm Feb 18, 2015 3:23pm
getting close again, looking for 1.1450 as a possible turning point south in EU

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  • #961,323
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:37pm Feb 18, 2015 3:37pm
Quoting sisse
{quote} Mate we are definitively in disagreement with this. We are talking about the US not Greece!!!. Just to make it simpler and to the point, there are 2 huge areas right now driving the US. One is the huge revolution and renaissance of industries long gone driven by the shale revolution and cheap energy (...dont even make Gator start at this ... ). The second and for me the most important, its the incredible and probably never seen before transformation in US urban cities driven by NY that now even include so called dead cities like Atalanta...
sisse, I really do enjoy your posts and I think you should go on CNBC with that Jim Cramer lunatic
This shale gas thing is a farce, and it's a double farce at the current oil price........ Get the fat barstewards on push bikes!
What did Einstein say, energy is neither created or destroyed. I can't believe we still pay all these bastards a small fortune for something that God created for us with his 'massive fart' for free
used to be undecided but nowadays can't make my mind up
  • #961,324
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:42pm Feb 18, 2015 3:42pm
I closed some shorts in profit because it looks like EU could go higher after a break the coming hours/days. Still have shorts open in the red but nothing too worrying. I'm going to wait until we have a clearer picture of what's going on. I would optimally reload some fresh positions higher up to get a better average entry once again. Damn moves like this really mess with my patience.

Gatorinla do you still have shorts open or also closed them before the news to be flat on EU? What is your view on this? Still short biased and aiming for a temporary move higher to reload shorts / holding existing shorts / waiting flat to evaluate what's coming next? Curious what the pro's think. I see Sisse suspects a move up to 1.161x might even be possible.
  • #961,325
  • Edited 3:56pm Feb 18, 2015 3:42pm | Edited 3:56pm
Quoting sisse
{quote} Mate we are definitively in disagreement with this. We are talking about the US not Greece!!!. Just to make it simpler and to the point, there are 2 huge areas right now driving the US. One is the huge revolution and renaissance of industries long gone driven by the shale revolution and cheap energy (...dont even make Gator start at this ... ). The second and for me the most important, its the incredible and probably never seen before transformation in US urban cities driven by NY that now even include so called dead cities like Atalanta...
call me crazy.. i do recall late 2009 till level 1876eu. the economy news coming out the u.s. was mostly bad. and each time after, with good or bad u.s. news. the eu dropped. we both know each situation is different. one thing that hasn't changed is the consuming nation. if that nation consumes less in a bad (any slower) economy. i bet the nations reliant on that consumption, fair worse.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #961,326
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:46pm Feb 18, 2015 3:46pm
Quoting sisse
{quote} Mate we are definitively in disagreement with this. We are talking about the US not Greece!!!. Just to make it simpler and to the point, there are 2 huge areas right now driving the US. One is the huge revolution and renaissance of industries long gone driven by the shale revolution and cheap energy (...dont even make Gator start at this ... ). The second and for me the most important, its the incredible and probably never seen before transformation in US urban cities driven by NY that now even include so called dead cities like Atalanta...

so the job creating shale-oil areas do better pray for price to go above 75-80 USD per barrel soon again, shouldn't they?

If not - party over for the next years?
  • #961,327
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:48pm Feb 18, 2015 3:48pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} call me crazy.. i do recall late 2009 till 1869 eu. the economy news coming out the u.s. was mostly bad. and each time after, with good or bad u.s. news. the eu dropped. we both know each situation is different. one thing that hasn't changed is the consuming nation. if that nation consumes less in a bad (any slower) economy. i bet the nations reliant on that consumption, fair worse.
1869 ? That far back ? Respect !
How was everything back in the days?
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  • #961,328
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:48pm Feb 18, 2015 3:48pm
Quoting ExForX
I closed some shorts in profit because it looks like EU could go higher after a break the coming hours/days. Still have shorts open in the red but nothing too worrying. I'm going to wait until we have a clearer picture of what's going on. I would optimally reload some fresh positions higher up to get a better average entry once again. Damn moves like this really mess with my patience. Gatorinla do you still have shorts open or also closed them before the news to be flat on EU? What is your view on this? Still short biased and aiming for a temporary...
i didnt have but 30% left.. i closed remainder with anticipation before fed, of a trip back to 1400.. still flat... at 1422/24 i may enter with a tight stop
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #961,329
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:52pm Feb 18, 2015 3:52pm
Quoting GlobalMacro
{quote} 1869 ? That far back ? Respect ! How was everything back in the days?
lol this is gator and his chums pondering the value of their gold nuggets....that was before the US government decided to rob them of their gold nuggets
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  • #961,330
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:52pm Feb 18, 2015 3:52pm
Quoting infinitus
{quote} so the job creating shale-oil areas do better pray for price to go above 75-80 USD per barrel soon again, shouldn't they? If not - party over for the next years?
money was made much lower in the past. people just need to get off the fed tits and the market will reset..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #961,331
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:56pm Feb 18, 2015 3:56pm
Quoting GlobalMacro
{quote} 1869 ? That far back ? Respect ! How was everything back in the days?
changed wording
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #961,332
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:57pm Feb 18, 2015 3:57pm
Quoting mrcreosote
{quote} sisse, I really do enjoy your posts and I think you should go on CNBC with that Jim Cramer lunatic This shale gas thing is a farce, and it's a double farce at the current oil price........ Get the fat barstewards on push bikes! What did Einstein say, energy is neither created or destroyed. I can't believe we still pay all these bastards a small fortune for something that God created for us with his 'massive fart' for free

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterey_Formation



U.S. officials cut estimate of recoverable Monterey Shale oil by 96%
  • #961,333
  • Feb 18, 2015 3:59pm Feb 18, 2015 3:59pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} moving now, uj..
possible entry 119.14/41
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #961,334
  • Feb 18, 2015 4:01pm Feb 18, 2015 4:01pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} i didnt have but 30% left.. i closed remainder with anticipation before fed, of a trip back to 1400.. still flat... at 1422/24 i may enter with a tight stop
Thanks, I appreciate your posts.
  • #961,335
  • Feb 18, 2015 4:02pm Feb 18, 2015 4:02pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} money was made much lower in the past. people just need to get off the fed tits and the market will reset..
I think you nearly got that right, people need to get off the government tits and the bankers need to get off the fed tits
This will make you laugh
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used to be undecided but nowadays can't make my mind up
  • #961,336
  • Feb 18, 2015 4:02pm Feb 18, 2015 4:02pm
Quoting infinitus
{quote} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterey_Formation U.S. officials cut estimate of recoverable Monterey Shale oil by 96%
that's ok.. they found more here..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #961,337
  • Feb 18, 2015 4:03pm Feb 18, 2015 4:03pm
still short
We live in a finite world with infinite possibilities.
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  • #961,338
  • Feb 18, 2015 4:03pm Feb 18, 2015 4:03pm
Quoting infinitus
{quote} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monterey_Formation U.S. officials cut estimate of recoverable Monterey Shale oil by 96%
Mate, I think the point Sisse is trying to make, is loss of jobs in shale industries aint such a hevy deal compared to startups and massive companies like Google rulling the world. US is biggest importer of Oil in the world. Not exporter. Yeah, they gotta try to unlock themselves from beeing dependent of imports, but those Shale Oils in US are just under developement. Is like an investment in future, not like they wanna get heavy cash and export Oil. Moreover, slumping commodity prices are damaging those exporters of raw materials all @ the globe and is the very US companies investing in hi-tech services, which are not affected by commodities slump. Think Google doesnt mind cheap commodities, actually is boost for him.
"I know one thing, that I know nothing." Sokrates
  • #961,339
  • Feb 18, 2015 4:05pm Feb 18, 2015 4:05pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} call me crazy.. i do recall late 2009 till level 1876eu. the economy news coming out the u.s. was mostly bad. and each time after, with good or bad u.s. news. the eu dropped. we both know each situation is different. one thing that hasn't changed is the consuming nation. if that nation consumes less in a bad (any slower) economy. i bet the nations reliant on that consumption, fair worse.
That is a true - so true - statement.

For countries too far away from US - nevertheless we get affected by their less consumption undoubtedly - we are also affected just like Greece from the income we make from tourism, from the income we sell our agricultere goods to our close neighbours.

A terrible economic calendar is expecting Greece, it is no longer cheap for European travellers, and definitely not for Russians.

When you guys, USA and or Europe have flu, we literally start looking for bread crumbs.
  • #961,340
  • Feb 18, 2015 4:05pm Feb 18, 2015 4:05pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} call me crazy.. i do recall late 2009 till 1869 eu. the economy news coming out the u.s. was mostly bad. and each time after, with good or bad u.s. news. the eu dropped. we both know each situation is different. one thing that hasn't changed is the consuming nation. if that nation consumes less in a bad (any slower) economy. i bet the nations reliant on that consumption, fair worse.
yes, youre not crazy, it's a world problem, it doesn't concern only US... what happens in US now, the same economic sh.t often happens in Europe just 10years later...well the most visible example i have is the FED QE...8 years later Europe follows...etc...
so if USA starts doing deflation now, we can expect the same will probably happens to Europe in 2025...
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